No more gonzo / head scratcher picks?

[FredFromDartmouth]

Have the Patriots entered an era of sensible, predictable draft picks? I suspect so, but I will miss the days of hearing this announcement: "After trading out of the first round, the Patriots have selected Bubba Bazinga from Mooseknuckle Saskatchewan, a special teams play with a background in juggling..." and watching for the Patriots draftniks go nuts.....

Obviously the sensible early round draft picks this year would be WR, OL, TE, etc., but in the BB era the first pick would be something like a safety or defensive tackle. Ah, the good ole' days and that is why BB lost his job, not his on-field coaching.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

What's your issue with Bubba Bazinga?

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

What's your issue with juggling? When I was single it was a great way to impress the ladies.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

What’s your issue with Gonzo
He looked like a home run pick till he got injured

 

[Steve102]

The legend of Bubba Bazinga from Regina University is born. Because Regina rhymes with fun.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

The legend of Bubba Bazinga from Regina University is born. Because Regina rhymes with fun.

Only if you know the proper Canadian pronunciation...

 

[Steve102]

Only if you know the proper Canadian pronunciation...

 

[Joey007]

I'll never forget when I thought Bill finally grew out of this, by taking Chandler and Hightower in the 1st round in 2012...

Until he took Tavon Wilson in the second round the next day.

 

[TheRainMaker]

While O-line and WR were obvious needs, Gonzalez wasn't a head scratcher as the secondary was/is weak.

Many wanted to anoint him after a few games using selective stats, but he was among CB's who were giving up the most total yards until he got injured. Now he's coming off of an injury.

 

[Pape]

The legend of Bubba Bazinga from Regina University is born. Because Regina rhymes with fun.

 

[Steve102]

 

[A.C Vegas]

While O-line and WR were obvious needs, Gonzalez wasn't a head scratcher as the secondary was/is weak.

Many wanted to anoint him after a few games using selective stats, but he was among CB's who were giving up the most total yards until he got injured. Now he's coming off of an injury.

He was rookie of the month before he got hurt. That is why people were hype

 

[Wax Frog]

What's your issue with Bubba Bazinga?

God I miss Key and Peele!

 

[Jim Beankie]

Many wanted to anoint him after a few games using selective stats, but he was among CB's who were giving up the most total yards until he got injured. Now he's coming off of an injury.

Do you have a reference for this? He only played in 3+ games facing PHI, MIA, and NYJ, but from my memory, he was absolutely stellar.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Do you have a reference for this? He only played in 3+ games facing PHI, MIA, and NYJ, but from my memory, he was absolutely stellar.

These were the selective stats I was referring to. The total yards to other players weren’t good. They were posted on pro football reference and it obviously changes throughout the season since his injury as more games are played. What you see as his total stats were at the time at the bottom of the NFL. I had posted about this very early in the season.

 

[Jim Beankie]

These were the selective stats I was referring to. The total yards to other players weren’t good. They were posted on pro football reference and it obviously changes throughout the season since his injury as more games are played. What you see as his total stats were at the time at the bottom of the NFL.

Thanks. It's selective but against the best WRs in the game. I am honestly curious about the other stats you're referring to. If you have a link that'd be helpful.

Hurts had 170 passing yards (126yds to AJ and DS but Gonzo gave up 69 of those), Tua had 249yds (40 to Hill and 86 to Waddle with no more than 35 to anyone else), and Milfson had 157yds (no one outside of GWilson had over 40yds). I'm not sure how Gonzo could've been so "weren't good," but if you have data, I'd honestly love it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Thanks. It's selective but against the best WRs in the game. I am honestly curious about the other stats you're referring to. If you have a link that'd be helpful.

Hurts had 170 passing yards (126yds to AJ and DS but Gonzo gave up 69 of those), Tua had 249yds (40 to Hill and 86 to Waddle with no more than 35 to anyone else), and Milfson had 157yds (no one outside of GWilson had over 40yds). I'm not sure how Gonzo could've been so "weren't good," but if you have data, I'd honestly love it.

You'll find his stats here. Again, they are updated every week. You can't go back to see what players were giving up yards from weeks 1-3 so I can't prove he was among the worst. He gave up 225 yards in only 3 games averaging 75 yards per game. This contradicts the tweets from Lazar which makes it seem like nobody is catching passes on him. I'm not saying he's lying, just it's not a complete picture.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/defense_advanced.htm

 

[Jim Beankie]

You'll find his stats here. Again, they are updated every week. You can't go back to see what players were giving up yards from weeks 1-3 so I can't prove he was among the worst. He gave up 225 yards in only 3 games averaging 75 yards per game. This contradicts the tweets from Lazar which makes it seem like nobody is catching passes on him. I'm not saying he's lying, just it's not a complete picture.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/defense_advanced.htm

Very interesting stuff. Thanks!

 

[tasmlab]

I'll never forget when I thought Bill finally grew out of this, by taking Chandler and Hightower in the 1st round in 2012...

Until he took Tavon Wilson in the second round the next day.

Not counting what Gonzo might turn into, it just gets worse for BB. A lot of bad first rounders since Chandler/Hightower and I used to think he was good with round 1 (Seymor, Warren, Wilfork, McCourtey, Mankins, Mayo). Then past 2013:

2014	29​	Dominique Easley	DT​	Florida
2015	32​	Malcom Brown	DT​	Texas
2016	No pick​	Pick forfeited[AL]
2017	No pick​	Pick traded to New Orleans Saints[AM]
2018	23​	Isaiah Wynn	T​	Georgia	Pick received from Los Angeles Rams[AN]
31​	Sony Michel	RB​	Georgia
2019	32​	N'Keal Harry	WR​	Arizona State
2020	No pick​	Moved down draft order in trade with Los Angeles Chargers[AO]
2021	15​	Mac Jones	QB​	Alabama
2022	29​	Cole Strange	G​	Chattanooga	Moved down draft order in trade with Kansas City Chiefs[AP]
2023	17​	Christian Gonzalez	DB​	Oregon	Moved down draft order in trade with Pittsburgh Steelers[AQ]

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Very interesting stuff. Thanks!

To be fair, a rookie going against two of the top receivers in the league ( Hill, Brown, duh) is going to give up yards. Lots of DBs, even experienced ones were burned by them....