Free Agent QB Baker Mayfield

[scott99]

I would go all out for Dalton Schultz in FA and may be Ben Sinnott in the Fourth Round. That said I am cool with Fant he won't break the bank and is still young.

Sinnott is my main TE target for the Pats in the draft. May take a 3rd round pick.

 

[50-yard-line]

Flacco and Maye or McCarthy.

I think that's a possible plan. Of course, it's very possible that one is gone by #3. Is the other worth the #3 pick at this point in his development?
I've heard conflicting reports on both, so to me, unless you think one of them will become a better QB than Mayfield, that probably should be the plan. Before you say "yes!" to that, go and look at Mayfield's draft profile. He's matured and seasoned now and showing some of that college swagger at the next level.

My personal opinion is that the Pats are a lot closer to getting back in the hunt than most here. They need a QB, a left tackle, a top TE, and a couple of WRs, but beyond that, they're pretty damned solid. And they can solve two of those with the draft, hopefully, which is deep in WR and LT. And Fa should get them the TE they need and the other pieces, perhaps including QB.

Again, if the Pats think THE NEXT GUY will be there for them, take him, sure. If not, the opportunity to get a QB of Mayfield's quality (top 15) doesn't come around much. I really don't want to be having these conversations after another 3 years of the last 3 years.

 

[Love The Drake]

R

I think that's a possible plan. Of course, it's very possible that one is gone by #3. Is the other worth the #3 pick at this point in his development?
I've heard conflicting reports on both, so to me, unless you think one of them will become a better QB than Mayfield, that probably should be the plan. Before you say "yes!" to that, go and look at Mayfield's draft profile. He's matured and seasoned now and showing some of that college swagger at the next level.

My personal opinion is that the Pats are a lot closer to getting back in the hunt than most here. They need a QB, a left tackle, a top TE, and a couple of WRs, but beyond that, they're pretty damned solid. And they can solve two of those with the draft, hopefully, which is deep in WR and LT. And Fa should get them the TE they need and the other pieces, perhaps including QB.

Again, if the Pats think THE NEXT GUY will be there for them, take him, sure. If not, the opportunity to get a QB of Mayfield's quality (top 15) doesn't come around much. I really don't want to be having these conversations after another 3 years of the last 3 years.

Sure risk is you sign Mayfield and then watch the guy you didn’t think Would be there be there damn Ryland.

 

[Ross12]

Liking him and paying him 45 mil a season are drastically different beasts.

Not gonna get 45. But I could see 35 on a backloaded 4 year deal with a void year. $40M signing bonus, $55M guaranteed "at signing", and $70M "total guarantees"

Y1: $8M bonus pro-ration, $15M salary (guaranteed) - cap hit $18M
Y2: $8M bonus pro-ration, $15M salary (guaranteed) - cap hit $23M
Y3: $8M bonus pro-ration, $30M salary (non-guaranteed) - cap hit $38M
Y4: $8M bonus pro-ration, $40M salary (non-guaranteed) - cap hit $48M
Y5: void year - $8M bonus-proration - cap hit $8M

You would be able to cut him after 2 years and only have a $24M dead money hit, or after 3 years and only have a $16M dead money hit, if necessary.

His lower cap hits the first couple years would let the team put pieces around him, and they would be able to trade down for capital and draft WRs/OTs etc. Or trade down and target a McCarthy/Nix etc and let him sit a few years while still getting good starting QB play and extra picks.

 

[Love The Drake]

Not gonna get 45. But I could see 35 on a backloaded 4 year deal with a void year. $40M signing bonus, $55M guaranteed "at signing", and $70M "total guarantees"

Y1: $8M bonus pro-ration, $15M salary (guaranteed) - cap hit $18M
Y2: $8M bonus pro-ration, $15M salary (guaranteed) - cap hit $23M
Y3: $8M bonus pro-ration, $30M salary (non-guaranteed) - cap hit $38M
Y4: $8M bonus pro-ration, $40M salary (non-guaranteed) - cap hit $48M
Y5: void year - $8M bonus-proration - cap hit $8M

You would be able to cut him after 2 years and only have a $24M dead money hit, or after 3 years and only have a $16M dead money hit, if necessary.

His lower cap hits the first couple years would let the team put pieces around him, and they would be able to trade down for capital and draft WRs/OTs etc. Or trade down and target a McCarthy/Nix etc and let him sit a few years while still getting good starting QB play and extra picks.

he’s not leaving Tampa unless we are overpaying.

 

[50-yard-line]

R

Sure risk is you sign Mayfield and then watch the guy you didn’t think Would be there be there damn Ryland.

That’s not a “risk.” You know the downside. You know who Mayfiekd is at the floor - probably not at the ceiling, though. As for the draft pick you didn’t take? Spilt milk and all that. Can’t go through life worrying about not picking Mahomes. Which is another part of it - just because a guy is THE guy in someone else’s system, would he be THE guy in yours? Or with your team’s style and coaching?

Not sure what Ryland has to do with it. Not even sure who Ryland really is at this point.

 

[TommyD4207]

Option 4 for this poll. Sign Mayfield, draft Harrison. That's my choice.

 

[mgteich]

Not gonna get 45. But I could see 35 on a backloaded 4 year deal with a void year. $40M signing bonus, $55M guaranteed "at signing", and $70M "total guarantees"

Y1: $8M bonus pro-ration, $15M salary (guaranteed) - cap hit $18M
Y2: $8M bonus pro-ration, $15M salary (guaranteed) - cap hit $23M
Y3: $8M bonus pro-ration, $30M salary (non-guaranteed) - cap hit $38M
Y4: $8M bonus pro-ration, $40M salary (non-guaranteed) - cap hit $48M
Y5: void year - $8M bonus-proration - cap hit $8M

You would be able to cut him after 2 years and only have a $24M dead money hit, or after 3 years and only have a $16M dead money hit, if necessary.

His lower cap hits the first couple years would let the team put pieces around him, and they would be able to trade down for capital and draft WRs/OTs etc. Or trade down and target a McCarthy/Nix etc and let him sit a few years while still getting good starting QB play and extra picks.

The structure is fine. I just don't want Mayfield for $35M a year, with the first two guaranteed. Sure, we can get out after two years, after having a failed bridge QB at $35M a year.

 

[mgteich]

Have any of the draftees played a significant time in the pocket? or even under center?

 

[TommyD4207]

The structure is fine. I just don't want Mayfield for $35M a year, with the first two guaranteed. Sure, we can get out after two years, after having a failed bridge QB at $35M a year.

$35 million/yr puts him right between Derek Carr and Jared Goff in terms of contract. It's exactly what Cousins got last year, It's the 15th highest QB contract in the league, which is commensurate to his value - even if you're being critical.

I think you sign him to that if you think he's the QB, and not the bridge QB, but even if it goes sideways and he falls apart - that's not an exorbitant number.

 

[TommyD4207]

Have any of the draftees played a significant time in the pocket? or even under center?

Just off the top of my head:

Williams - a little
Maye - None
Daniels - None
Penix - a little
Nix - None (in 2 programs)
McCarthy - some

I don't know who else you'd want to know about in terms of draftees.

 

[mgteich]

Just off the top of my head:

Williams - a little
Maye - None
Daniels - None
Penix - a little
Nix - None (in 2 programs)
McCarthy - some

I don't know who else you'd want to know about in terms of draftees.

I submit that this skill is under-rated in importance.

I think that Rattler had more experience under center than any of the top QB's.

 

[DW Toys]

I submit that this skill is under-rated in importance.

I think that Rattler had more experience under center than any of the top QB's.

You would be correct Cousin. Beemer at South Carolina runs one of the few pro style offenses in Division 1. Think Rattler will be a surprise.
DW Toys

 

[TommyD4207]

I submit that this skill is under-rated in importance.

I think that Rattler had more experience under center than any of the top QB's.

He did, and Rattler's a head case who will be lucky to get on a practice squad.

 

[Zuma]

I submit that this skill is under-rated in importance.

I think that Rattler had more experience under center than any of the top QB's.

And he’s 6’0” tall

 

[Ross12]

$35 million/yr puts him right between Derek Carr and Jared Goff in terms of contract. It's exactly what Cousins got last year, It's the 15th highest QB contract in the league, which is commensurate to his value - even if you're being critical.

I think you sign him to that if you think he's the QB, and not the bridge QB, but even if it goes sideways and he falls apart - that's not an exorbitant number.

Hm, he might get a little more per year then. He’s better than Carr, and he fits the scheme well and has prior experience with AVP, and is still in his 20s.

 

[mgteich]

Mike Evans would likely come if we sign Mayfield.

 

[Sect140]

I don’t pay much attention to Kiper, but I do pay attention to what some other draft analysts ( Jeremiah/ Renner…..) say, and they have been tracking the younger college QB’s, and whether it’s a strong class or not. Yes, QB’s will always be at the top of draft boards, because of the nature of the position, but that doesn’t mean the actual QB’s available will be franchise caliber QB’. Either way betting that they can just pick up a franchise QB down the line is a risky path to choose, and it makes no sense if they see a franchise caliber QB at 3. If they see their guy, they will take him. And regardless of what anyone says they won’t be taking the QB at 3 if they don’t believe in the player.

Drafting a QB with the 3rd overall pick scares the hell out of me, so many top choices are busts. I hope that if they don’t fully believe in the one available they pass on him.

 

[Wozzy]

We went 4-13 last year. That puts us a helluva lot closer to Carolina than Kansas City..

Nah, they had a top five defense. Sure the offense was abominable but they had no QB and the offensive line was injured all season.

Find the QB and a LT, re-sign Onwenu and stay healthy upfront… watch magically as they become one of the better teams in the AFC. Worked for the Texans.

 

[kevan]

Nah, they had a top five defense. Sure the offense was abominable but they had no QB and the offensive line was injured all season.

Find the QB and a LT, re-sign Onwenu and stay healthy upfront… watch magically as they become one of the better teams in the AFC. Worked for the Texans.

7 one possession losses at least might a been more.