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Patriots new OC - Alex Van Pelt

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I don't think it matters who they picked for any position; you'd be *****ing. Why don't we give the new regime some time to see how they do?
I want them to do well. This just doesn't exactly inspire confidence, when the worst fears are coming to fruition.

I hope Van Pelt implements the WCO and Troy Brown suddenly becomes an amazing WR coach and they get their timing down, and that Springer gets the special teams back into the top part of the league, and that Covington is able to keep the defense at the level they are, and Van Pelt can also make a historic reclamation project out of Mac Jones.

But if we're just going to 'wait and see' and not comment on anything, why have a message board?
 
I think Van Pelt is fine. They absolutely needed an experienced senior calm hand to help Mayo out. Someone who would not undermine him and has a good relationship with front office.
This team is going to be bad this year no matter who they hired.
Bill left this team in disastrous shape. Now Van Pelt has to clean up the mess.
No elite experienced OC was coming here.
I think we should give the guy a chance.
I did not want Caley

Bill left the defense in great shape, but the offense in terrible shape, and he left them with a ton of money for free agents , and that’s something we should appreciate given that he was closing in on the all time wins record. I can only imagine what Parcells would have done in that situation.
 
Posters would be *****ing if they went with Caley, for that matter no matter who they picked they be some *****ing.
Whoever they hired, he would either be too young, too old, never been an OC before and we need that, been an OC already so if he’s available now he must suck, runs the same system NE has always run and we need change, runs a different system than NE has run and that will be a disaster, not enough buzz on Twitter so he sucks, too much buzz on Twitter and he’s not actually that good, no experience with QBs, experienced with QBs but the QBs he’s worked with aren’t good anyway, experienced with QBs who were good but they don’t owe their success to him in any way because (use ChatGPT here), the offenses he’s associated with weren’t good enough so he sucks, the offenses he’s associated with were good but I’ve decided to not credit him for that, and if all else fails, it’s racist.
 
I think Van Pelt is fine. They absolutely needed an experienced senior calm hand to help Mayo out. Someone who would not undermine him and has a good relationship with front office.
This team is going to be bad this year no matter who they hired.
Bill left this team in disastrous shape. Now Van Pelt has to clean up the mess.
No elite experienced OC was coming here.
I think we should give the guy a chance.
I did not want Caley
Sam is not complaining? I'm bookmarking this.

 
Reasons I like the hire/process:

1. Absolutely no one was expecting this. While everyone was busy complaining about lack of action and how nobody wanted to take the job, Mayo was being patient and working it. Good job remaining focused Jerod.

2. Mayo targeted guys that have similar philosophies to his own, that can all get along, and is obviously not looking for 'yes' men. So far, he's living up to his words.

3. Mayo said he'd hire the best people for the job and would listen to others perspectives regardless of age/color. He's living up to his word.

4. I especially like the total lack of leaks regarding this hire. That's a great sign.

5. Van Pelt has a lot of connections and can fill out his staff from various teams. This should happen fast.

6. Absolutely love the change in direction from mod. E-P to mod. WC. This should make it easier for QB and receivers to get on same page. Offense is a total redo in personnel anyway, so now we know who to target in FAcy/draft.

7. Thrilled that no Josh McDaniels, which means Mac is 100% out.

8. Mayo is keeping the strength of the team, the defense, the same by promoting Covington. Smart!

9. ST hire is unknown but just ridding us of Achord/Judge is a win-win.

This process has the feel of a private corporation approach instead of 'good ol boys,' 'friends/family' ******** approach. I like it.
ABSOLUTELY! spot on post! The main thing is have an experienced OC, someone who's familiar with the west coast offense, and isn't a retread friend of a friend coaching hire.

What I would hope for is:

Trading for fields, while still taking a QB, getting rid of the Bailey Jones QB conundrum. Taking a LT at # 34... signing Pittman Jr.. or Higgins.
 
I want them to do well. This just doesn't exactly inspire confidence, when the worst fears are coming to fruition.

I hope Van Pelt implements the WCO and Troy Brown suddenly becomes an amazing WR coach and they get their timing down, and that Springer gets the special teams back into the top part of the league, and that Covington is able to keep the defense at the level they are, and Van Pelt can also make a historic reclamation project out of Mac Jones.

But if we're just going to 'wait and see' and not comment on anything, why have a message board?
Commenting is fine, I don't get the negative comments for every move they make, you can look at the hires and look at the negative but maybe there's also a positive, it's mostly unknown at this point but most agreed BB's time was up so we venture into the unknown next year.
 
Commenting is fine, I don't get the negative comments for every move they make, you can look at the hires and look at the negative but maybe there's also a positive, it's mostly unknown at this point but most agreed BB's time was up so we venture into the unknown next year.
There is a positive, it's not the E-P offense, that we don't have a QB/WR/OL capable of running. It's a pretty common offense with variations of it run throughout the league.

Now, are there like 6 other guys I'd rather have here bringing in the WCO? Yes. And that's where my primary negativity stems from, when mixed with everything else that has happened. But if you want your positive, there's your positive.
 
ABSOLUTELY! spot on post! The main thing is have an experienced OC, someone who's familiar with the west coast offense, and isn't a retread friend of a friend coaching hire.

What I would hope for is:

Trading for fields, while still taking a QB, getting rid of the Bailey Jones QB conundrum. Taking a LT at # 34... signing Pittman Jr.. or Higgins.
They need a Lt at 34 then another tackle in the 3rd
 
Ridley wouldn’t be the worst, he is a little older but has missed multiple years so less tread on his tires. Would be cheaper. But he’s not my first choice. At the end of the day, the OL is the most important thing. If they can get a decent OL going, an okay veteran QB, and one of the top TEs in free agency (Henry returning would probably be fine), it’s something. The WR situation as presently constituted is not an abject disaster, especially if Bourne is able to return for low money and get healthy. Lots of good WRs in the draft to take fliers on. Pop was a 6th rounder. They are not as hard to get as they used to be and this year is a good class.
Bourne will go to chiefs or chargers.

I think everyone knows he is an above average route runner. He is going to be in demand . I don't know which FA receiver would come here unless we offer more.

With the way the OC hire had happened I don't think pittman or higgins would come here unless it's a tag and trade.
 
ABSOLUTELY! spot on post! The main thing is have an experienced OC, someone who's familiar with the west coast offense, and isn't a retread friend of a friend coaching hire.

What I would hope for is:

Trading for fields
, while still taking a QB, getting rid of the Bailey Jones QB conundrum. Taking a LT at # 34... signing Pittman Jr.. or Higgins.
 
There is a positive, it's not the E-P offense, that we don't have a QB/WR/OL capable of running. It's a pretty common offense with variations of it run throughout the league.

Now, are there like 6 other guys I'd rather have here bringing in the WCO? Yes. And that's where my primary negativity stems from, when mixed with everything else that has happened. But if you want your positive, there's your positive.
Just getting away from the overly-complicated EP offense is a win.
 
Seeing many here pissing on this hire when most of the urinators know very little about Van Pelt, his reputation or his history with other organizations, is classic Patsfans. It seems important to clarify that Stefanski did not take away Van Pelt’s play call duty because of poor performance. Like several head coaches with a history as OCs, Stefanski has called the plays all four years that Van Pelt has been quarterbacks coach and OC. That shouldn’t be an indictment on Van Pelt, who apparently did have a critical role in developing the game plans and called plays when he was the OC of the Bills in the late 2000s. Members here have hard-ons for young coaches who have never called plays at any level. So, that is acceptable in young coach, who are all the rage right now, but not for a veteran coach with a very good reputation throughout the league, who has called plays in the NFL?

He lasted four years with the Browns, which wouldn’t have been the case, if Stefanski had been unhappy with his performance during his tenure there. We also don’t know the circumstances behind his firing. We’ve already established that it’s not his play-calling. It’s very possible that Van Pelt also for the opportunity to start calling plays, after four years of experience in Stefanski’s offense, but he was denied the opportunity and asked for his release. Firing him probably guaranteed his 2024 salary, in case he was unable to find a job. It’s also possible that Van Pelt already knew going into the off-season that he was never going to be able to call the plays under Stefanski and asked to be released, in order to pursue an OC job that would allow him the opportunity to call plays. Finally, it is possible that Van Pelt and the sexual assaulter did not get along, and they fired Van Pelt because they have no choice but to keep their wagon hitched to Watson, given his guaranteed contract.

Most posters here were excited about the possibility of changing to a McVay/Shanahan.
Well, Stefanski run a Shanahan-like offense. He is also familiar with the West Coast offense after working for years with Childress. Essentially, the Pats now have an OC with 4 years of experience in the Shanahan offense.

Other potential positives of this hire:

1. In my opinion, it would have been a big mistake to have the head coach, defensive coordinator, and offensive coordinator all be young coaches in their mid to late 30s. That sounds likep a recipe for failure.
2. One other thing that I was concerned about in terms of hiring one of these young “up-and-coming” coaches from the McVay or Shanahan tree is that there was a good chance that he would get hired away as a HC in a year or two, if they have success. That’s not a good thing for a young quarterback. Van Pelt is much less likely to be offered a head coaching job and, if he works out, offers more continuity.

Mayo, Groh and Wolfe clearly took their time with this OC search and likely did extensive research on all of the candidates. I am going to keep an open mind about Van Pelt and let his performance and the performance of the offense ultimately determine whether he was a good choice. po
 
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Just getting away from the overly-complicated EP offense is a win.
I actually strongly agree with this. No kid coming out of college is used to it. Now, if you want to bring in a veteran who is able to pick it up - sure, but yes, changing to something most kids can at least translate to should help.

Only drawback being, everyone else runs it, so everyone's going to know what you're doing.
 
I actually strongly agree with this. No kid coming out of college is used to it. Now, if you want to bring in a veteran who is able to pick it up - sure, but yes, changing to something most kids can at least translate to should help.

Only drawback being, everyone else runs it, so everyone's going to know what you're doing.
Another Brady isn’t walking through that door. The offense should be simplified and something somewhat recognizable by rookies and younger players. This is a good thing.
 
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Bill left the defense in great shape, but the offense in terrible shape, and he left them with a ton of money for free agents , and that’s something we should appreciate given that he was closing in on the all time wins record. I can only imagine what Parcells would have done in that situation.
Bill was still thinking long term. It’s too bad RK wasn’t.
 

Let’s hope that this comes to fruition. I wonder if the Pats will also try to hire one of the young OC candidates, like Caley, as QBs coach and/or passing game coordinator.
 
ABSOLUTELY! spot on post! The main thing is have an experienced OC, someone who's familiar with the west coast offense, and isn't a retread friend of a friend coaching hire.

What I would hope for is:

Trading for fields, while still taking a QB, getting rid of the Bailey Jones QB conundrum. Taking a LT at # 34... signing Pittman Jr.. or Higgins.
I'm with you on all but Fields. This is not the time to be giving away assets. Pick a bridge QB out of the >30 available, dump Mac, re-sign Rourke or Zappe based on best fit to new system, draft a QB w/ #3.
 
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