We Drafting a QB

[50-yard-line]

Duke Castiglione asked Mayo directly about pick 3 in a 1-on-1. Mayo said he hadn’t really had time yet to even watch all the film, but they’d hope to pick an “impact player” at an important position “qb, wide receiver.”

So much for the handwringing.

 

[Ross12]

Both of those are too vital to the build this year to trade away IMO. Our options look good to me at 3. Either we get one of the top two QBs or trade out with someone desperate for Junior and get the best OT we can plus another first round pick.

Yeah, like I said in the prior post, I wouldn’t do it either. But I see the logic

 

[slash83]

Not a draftnik or a huge college football watcher, but from what I can see is the biggest and possibly only reason Maye is ranked higher than Daniels is that Daniels is really thin and people wonder if he can stay healthy. I just wonder that with the way the league protects QBs if this as big of an issue as people make it.

Yeah he definitely looks like Tyquan playing QB thin.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Yeah, like I said in the prior post, I wouldn’t do it either. But I see the logic

Yeah, though the implication in the trade scenario is there's one QB they love rather than a couple they feel can be the guy. I don't have a feel for any of the QBs or the Pats' preference on types of QBs anymore, but Maye seems capable as does Daniels. I'm glad I don't have to choose. I just know that if we're not coming out of the draft with serious OT help, we did it wrong.

 

[50-yard-line]

Not a draftnik or a huge college football watcher, but from what I can see is the biggest and possibly only reason Maye is ranked higher than Daniels is that Daniels is really thin and people wonder if he can stay healthy. I just wonder that with the way the league protects QBs if this as big of an issue as people make it.

On the highlight reels posted here, I watched Daniels throw a bunch of balls the wouldn’t have cut it against NFL corners.

No such issue with Maye. He throws a beautiful ball at all 3 levels, and usually where only his guy can get it.

Maye throws a better ball, period, in my opinion.

 

[Rob0729]

On the highlight reels posted here, I watched Daniels throw a bunch of balls the wouldn’t have cut it against NFL corners.

No such issue with Maye. He throws a beautiful ball at all 3 levels, and usually where only his guy can get it.

Maye throws a better ball, period, in my opinion.

Again, this is far from something I know a lot about. So you may be right.

 

[Ring 6]

Great point.
So what you think the Pats can move to 1 for say a second next year?

It would take at least this years 2, next years 1 and probably next years 2.

 

[Ring 6]

My guess is either their 2nd this year or their 2025 1st.

At least both of those picks probably more.

 

[Joey007]

We’re taking a QB

Typically, yes, but NE is also the only team that can offer them a slot that still lets them get the best non-QB in the draft. That’s also very high value. Draft charts are just guide rails, the actual value of each pick is highly dependent on the players available.

If NE trades up then Chicago can get MHJ. If NE stays put then Chicago might just take MHJ at 1 and NE might get who they want anyway at 3. If Chicago trades their pick then the best pick they’ll probably get is the Giants at 6th, at which point they will have no chance at MHJ and possibly not Nabors either. So it depends on how much they value getting their specific guy too.

Problem is that this entire scenario assumes the Bears don’t want a QB. Hard to see them passing on Williams. Have to hope that Williams has no interest in playing for them, and that they’d rather keep Fields instead of the other two guys.

 

[KCSVEN]

On the highlight reels posted here, I watched Daniels throw a bunch of balls the wouldn’t have cut it against NFL corners.

No such issue with Maye. He throws a beautiful ball at all 3 levels, and usually where only his guy can get it.

Maye throws a better ball, period, in my opinion.

I don't think anyone can argue that.
Daniels has ELITE running skills, I've timed him on multiple runs and compared to Lamar on actual plays and he times faster on the field. He is that Elite a runner.
Long balls and deep fades are phenomenal.

Short throws tend to throw behind the receiver rather than lead them on too high a percentage but something he could work on.

Mid-level throws is the concern and it is a big one. He does not trust his arm strength to throw into NFL windows most of the time at mid-level, he tends to make up for it by taking off and running or buying time until he has a better separation to throw to.
This is also why he rarely throws interceptions.
Maye's strength is he can make throws to all levels and puts the ball into tight windows, and has some running skills, way below Daniels but above average.

Spencer Rattler is a better thrower to the mid and short level than Daniels. With MHJ sitting there do you take him and pair with Rattler, who can be had in round 2 and hope his off the field character has been fixed since OU?
IMO Nix, Penix, McCarthy don't show enough on tape to be successful NFL QB's.
Personally, I'd do everything I can to trade up a spot for Maye. IMHO Daniels will always have mid-level issue but has some other Elite Skills.
Top 3 worthy? Not sure, I go back and forth, if MHJ was not there I'd be more likely to want to take him at 3. I really love Maye, I'd target him no matter what it took and be set for 15 years at QB.

 

[Ross12]

Problem is that this entire scenario assumes the Bears don’t want a QB. Hard to see them passing on Williams. Have to hope that Williams has no interest in playing for them, and that they’d rather keep Fields instead of the other two guys.

Yeah, that is probably true

 

[Ross12]

Yeah, though the implication in the trade scenario is there's one QB they love rather than a couple they feel can be the guy. I don't have a feel for any of the QBs or the Pats' preference on types of QBs anymore, but Maye seems capable as does Daniels. I'm glad I don't have to choose. I just know that if we're not coming out of the draft with serious OT help, we did it wrong.

Well, the thing is that they don't really have an OC named yet, and their personnel dept is still in flux, so it's hard to say that they even know what their "type" is. I would guess that they might conduct OC interviews with the questioning of "We are taking either Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye, probably Daniels, if you were our OC how would you build and conduct the offense around his skill set?"

Daniels is a better pure runner, but Maye is also capable in more of a Josh Allen-type way. Maye is probably the better pure passer and better in the pocket, but Daniels isn't bad either, and both guys are improving year-over-year and can become better. Maye also played against much worse competition on average, but also had a much worse supporting cast. Daniels had all star WRs, but was also posterizing the Alabama defense with his legs at times.

IMO if they have a guy like Daniels with great rushing ability, it means the defense needs to respect that and back off a little/keep lanes closed, so it may mean that having a less stout pass-blocking OL is less of a liability.... Maybe.

 

[Sicilian]

We’re taking a QB

Problem is that this entire scenario assumes the Bears don’t want a QB. Hard to see them passing on Williams. Have to hope that Williams has no interest in playing for them, and that they’d rather keep Fields instead of the other two guys.

I think best case scenario they'd rather keep Fields AND they really want Harrison Jr. That way they're inclined not to trade down below the Patriots pick regardless, and probably just take him #1 (or bluff and do a small trade down with Washington at #2). If they want to keep Fields, but they're willing to drop farther down and stock pile picks again, more than likely another team that wants Williams is going to jump in there anyway, and we're back to where we are now.

It's possible the Patriots like Williams, Maye, and Daniels equally and none of it matters, but I'd rather they have as many options as possible when the pick comes up. That way, if they DO have a preference, that guy will be there.

 

[Sicilian]

Well, the thing is that they don't really have an OC named yet, and their personnel dept is still in flux, so it's hard to say that they even know what their "type" is. I would guess that they might conduct OC interviews with the questioning of "We are taking either Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye, probably Daniels, if you were our OC how would you build and conduct the offense around his skill set?"

Daniels is a better pure runner, but Maye is also capable in more of a Josh Allen-type way. Maye is probably the better pure passer and better in the pocket, but Daniels isn't bad either, and both guys are improving year-over-year and can become better. Maye also played against much worse competition on average, but also had a much worse supporting cast. Daniels had all star WRs, but was also posterizing the Alabama defense with his legs at times.

IMO if they have a guy like Daniels with great rushing ability, it means the defense needs to respect that and back off a little/keep lanes closed, so it may mean that having a less stout pass-blocking OL is less of a liability.... Maybe.

Good points, and along those lines, Greg Roman has recently interviewed for the Bears OC position if I'm not mistaken. This is the guy who made the Kaepernick offense in SF, and the early Lamar Jackson offense in Baltimore. If they hire him, there's a scenario where they trade down and take Daniels themselves, in which case a move up for us is possible. Or they want to create a more run centric offense with Fields.

 

[Uncle B]

Wouldnt trade up, need those draft picks, take whoever (hopefully 2) is left at QB. Wouldn't want Williams to slip to #3, height and possible attitude issues concern me.

 

[mike_usagisan]

We’re taking a QB

Problem is that this entire scenario assumes the Bears don’t want a QB. Hard to see them passing on Williams. Have to hope that Williams has no interest in playing for them, and that they’d rather keep Fields instead of the other two guys.

If that happens, we might have to make a trade for Fields (or have already gotten Baker Mayfield or Kirk Cousins) but then combine them with Harrison Jr. or the best OT on the board. I like that option better than trading away the other valuable picks we have this year.

 

[sambam94]

yup, that's the Mayo of quick slants..Doesn't seem like the head coach type and definitely should not be tipping their hand on drafting a QB. Yes, he didn't actually say QB, but everyone knows that's what he meant. Any info given to another team is being sloppy.

 

[Ross12]

yup, that's the Mayo of quick slants..Doesn't seem like the head coach type and definitely should not be tipping their hand on drafting a QB. Yes, he didn't actually say QB, but everyone knows that's what he meant. Any info given to another team is being sloppy.

He got a spanking from Robyn later that night

 

[Real fan 02]

QB it is. I have a feeling they will spend big on offense in FA to set up the rookie QB.

Agreed. Pretty easy for me. Take a QB at 3, LT at #33..

 

[jdlboot14]

Yikes, Mayo already falling into the trap of being loved by the media - and dropping info.
BB never gave that much of hint in all of his 24 years combined.