Schefter: Bill Belichick & Patriots to Part Ways

[Guts]

This is the biggest problem. No patience. No seeing through of a plan. They need instant gratification. They don't know how the rest of the league lives.

it's been 4 years dawg
Year 1 okay your HOF QB left I'll give him a pass
Year 2 made the playoffs with a rookie QB awesome let's build on that
Year 3 **** hits the fan with the Fat Matt OC decision and missing the playoffs
Year 4 worst New England season since the 90s
It was time

 

[upstater1]

it's been 4 years dawg
Year 1 okay your HOF QB left I'll give him a pass
Year 2 made the playoffs with a rookie QB awesome let's build on that
Year 3 **** hits the fan with the Fat Matt OC decision and missing the playoffs
Year 4 worst New England season since the 90s
It was time

You totally and absolutely exemplified what I was talking about in the post you responded to!

 

[sean10mm]

Funny thing is, I wouldn't be stunned to see Bill going to a team that already has a solid offensive roster and being reinvigorated and doing a good job.

What I couldn't see is him staying in New England and pulling out of the (largely self-inflicted) tailspin caused by his bad GM tendencies and mismanaging the offensive staff.

Sort of like how Brady had to leave to have back-to-back 40 TD seasons and another Super Bowl win to cap his career.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Goodbye New England fans, I'm out as a fan, heck I'm out as a football NFL fan with the whole NFL going dumb and woke pushing unbiblical ideas with their sodomite dancers, end racism myths, fake prosperity, virtue signalling, was a fun ride, I was just here cuz I respected the coach, 9 superbowls in 20 years and you let him go cuz you bended to the woke mob that hates BB.......sayonara have fun with the sodomites in woke Massashitets

I was sad to see Brady go, sad to see Belichick on his way, will be sad when Kraft one day goes. But my loyalty will always be to the team and the man on the helmet.

 

[Sicilian]

My biggest problem is the young QB.

I am down on Daniels a lot because I don't see him as a viable thrower.

But they can offer heaps of money to a WR in FA, draft a second round LT who can be more than serviceable.

The problem is the QB.

They can also sign Kirk Cousins or even trade for a guy like Fields in the 2nd.

Yup, I could see all four of Williams, Maye, Daniels, and Penix all having great success, but I could also see all four flaming out in spectacular fashion. I'm not qualified to know which will be which, and it'll be a gamble no matter what. It's also going to be really important who they pair with which QB as an OC/QB coach, because all of them are going to succeed in different types of offenses I think.

Long road ahead I think. Whatever approach they go with, I hope they're making moves with longterm, sustainable growth in mind. I don't want quick fixes, they don't usually work out.

 

[Guts]

You totally and absolutely exemplified what I was talking about in the post you responded to!

What's the plan that we aren't seeing then?
This isn't about instant gratification I knew once Tom left it was never going to be the same again
I just expected us to be relevant by now not picking in the top 3

 

[Lagaffe_07]

What they once had was already gone.

His name is Tom Brady

 

[festy1986]

If they go 10-7 and make the playoffs next year, are they bad?

Are the Steelers good?

Thank you for playing.

 

[lancerman]

According to Zolak, they will be reading statements and not taking questions.

Kind of lame on front office part

For the best. You don't really need to have Bill answer dumb questions about being fired. Let them say their piece.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I’m glad I’m seeing some of you admitting you’re not really fans of the team but loyal subjects of the emperor. It’s been obvious for years that’s many posters here but good to see it confirmed.

It's quite a bit more complicated than that. People think we're at rock bottom now, but the next coach may well want a different foundation for O and D. I can see a deeper rebuild and a few more 4-13 seasons ahead before working our way up to 0.500. Then I fear an injury-plagued year or something where we drop back down, get the next coach fired, and we are back here again. Lather, rinse, repeat. Pretty much like every other franchise in a league that strives to enforce parity.

Sure, I hope thre next guy can flip a switch and we're 12-5 again. But that would be an exceptionally rare turnaround.

 

[VrabelJr]

His name is Tom Brady

53 players on a roster and a playbook with thousands of plays to figure out what to emphasize each week. You're a fool.

 

[festy1986]

For the best. You don't really need to have Bill answer dumb questions about being fired. Let them say their piece.

Forget about Bill.

Kraft needs to be on record in every which way why he did this so when his team is ass next year because he hired a first time defensive coach to run the place and Bill is heading to the Super Bowl we can all point to him as the problem.

He chose Bill over Brady. He couldn't even stand by they decision?

Weak man.

 

[Rob0729]

Unless Vrabel or Mayo are the coach, expect very bad results for many years. This scheme needs to stay intact because so many of the players are built for it. Guys like Peppers fit hit, did poorly elsewhere. There are many guys like that on the D.

So if you're also going to tear down that D with a new coach, you're going to be chasing your tail forever.

This is why abandoning a rebuild in the middle of it (I'd argue toward the end) is clueless and mindless.

First, we are not abandoning a rebuild in the middle of it. Record-wise, this is the second worst team in the NFL. That isn't rebuilding. That is hitting rock bottom.

Second, odds are that it is either Mayo or Vrabel at head coach. And if it is Mayo, there is a decent chance that Steve Belichick stays on as DC. By all accounts, Mayo and Steve are close. And it would give Steve a chance to get out from under his father's shadow.

And even if they go with another coach, they have players who can adapt to a new system. If the Pats wanted to go with smaller, faster LBs, they can move Mapu and Peppers to LB.

And you cannot say that if the Pats try a completely different coach that they will be chasing their tails for years. Belichick isn't the only good coach in the league. And there have been cases where first time head coaches immediately turned around their team. Look at McDaniel in Miami. Or Dan Campbell in Detriot. Sean McVay became head coach in 2017 turned the Rams from a 4-12 team in 2016 to an 11-5 team in 2017 and a Super Bowl participant in 2018. You are dooming the next head coach to failure before you even know who the next head coach is going to be.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I don’t think it’s going to happen but if it does I think that team could win a Super Bowl.

But that’s a reason why it could happen, because that’s what BB wants, and if Jerruh thinks McCarthy is holding the team back he would do anything he can to fix it. Belichick winning a SB elsewhere, with a talented team that other coaches couldn’t win with, would rrally help rebuild BB’s legacy (will put to rest all of the “can’t win without Brady” discussions). So it can be extremely appealing for both sides.

 

[The Gr8est]

It's quite a bit more complicated than that. People think we're at rock bottom now, but the next coach may well want a different foundation for O and D. I can see a deeper rebuild and a few more 4-13 seasons ahead before working our way up to 0.500. Then I fear an injury-plagued year or something where we drop back down, get the next coach fired, and we are back here again. Lather, rinse, repeat. Pretty much like every other franchise in a league that strives to enforce parity.

Sure, I hope thre next guy can flip a switch and we're 12-5 again. But that would be an exceptionally rare turnaround.

Don’t be a chicken little.

I am sure the next regime will never have injuries or miss on draft picks.

Hell, there are people in this forum who can draft better than BB did, just ask them.

You may want to wait a few years before asking though since they use their crystal balls in retrospective mode.

 

[PatsFan2]

And girlfriends and wives

On a whim.

 

[FCB02062]

I can already here the IBWT cabal next October, when the Pats are off to a 1-4 start...."ARE TOU HAPPY NOW!!!

 

[VrabelJr]

First, we are not abandoning a rebuild in the middle of it. Record-wise, this is the second worst team in the NFL. That isn't rebuilding. That is hitting rock bottom.

4-13 is nowhere near rock bottom. Perennially being 4-13 or worse is rock bottom.

And you cannot say that if the Pats try a completely different coach that they will be chasing their tails for years. Belichick isn't the only good coach in the league. And there have been cases where first time head coaches immediately turned around their team.

Many coaches that appear to turn around a team in year one happen to be winning with the previous coach's team. For every Sean McVay there are countless Rex Ryans, Dan Quinns, etc. etc. The book is still out on Mike McDaniel.

 

[VrabelJr]

I can already here the IBWT cabal next October, when the Pats are off to a 1-4 start...."ARE TOU HAPPY NOW!!!

Well, will you be? Personally I don't care how you feel but you whine like crazy.

 

[Guts]