Should Belichick Retain Personnel Duties?

[vicspats]

BB is doing too much now. He's an HC AND a GM AND I'm sure he's also helping out Steve when he can. Without Brady as his offensive savant he's taken on work on that side too. Nobody can do all that and be good at it. And he's 71. Even John Madden said players eventually stop listening to the same voice after so many years.

Yeah Josh was never NFL HC material. I don't see him getting a 3rd shot at a job.

Well said …

 

[Huckleberry1]

He has got to go as GM. He had his moments in that role, but at this point, the subpar performance has gone on far too long.

As coach? He's painting a masterpiece of sorts with a severely hobbled defense, which makes me think that we might be better off keeping him. But on offense, he's possibly guilty of a war crime, which gives me pause on letting this continue.

As I said last week, I have no idea what to do. Somewhere between 2 and 3, and definitely option 4.

To me the big issue is personnel decisions going forward. They have a ton of $$$ for free agency, and high draft picks coming next April. I don’t want a reload I want a fresh start, and I don’t want Belichick making the decisions for their future rosters. Clean out the dead wood, keep the players you want to build around, draft a QB with the first pick, and build the OL and WR with free agency and the draft.

 

[venecol]

I voted the first option, let’s keep this train rolling.

That's 2. You and Andy. Wonder who the 3rd guy is that wants to continue seeing this crap team on the field.

 

[h0c2000]

That's 2. You and Andy. Wonder who the 3rd guy is that wants to continue seeing this crap team on the field.

I'm in excellent company then!

 

[VJCPatriot]

Before we got to this point in the season, I would have entertained the thought of BB sticking around and just hiring a new GM to handle the personnel decisions.

But it feels more and more like a fresh start would be best for the team. Just rebuild from the ground up, pick a new GM, get his input on the new head coach, and then install a new innovative, offense oriented coach to lead the team.

BB is still a great defensive mind, no doubt, but it feels like he's stuck in the past. As long as he remains, it's going to be hard to move forward.

This upcoming draft is going to be critical to the Patriots rebuild. We're in position for a top 3 pick and we can't afford to screw up this draft. Not when this is a possible "golden generation" of Quarterbacks and you really need to NAIL your draft choices to secure the future.

I don't know what Kraft will do because he made the mistake of extending Bill early on. Maybe trading BB to another NFL team would be in the best interest of all parties involved?

 

[lancerman]

I honestly just can't see a scenario where we get a GM who is divorced enough from Belichick to matter. Either they get another guy who is basically approved by Bill to the point where it is redundant or they get a guy that is kept seperate from him in decision making and either

a) Bill doesn't stand for it and just forces his way out.
b) Bill complains that he's being asked to win with guys he didn't pick and then has a scapegoat he can use for why the team isn't working.

I just can envision it working. And frankly, I don't think the defense having a couple of masterclasses is worth overlooking how bad 2/3rds of the team is to justify needing to keep the coach.

 

[Spiral]

This is a "what have you done for me lately business." I get that. Having said that, I think the 2023 draft was a pretty good one. The first-round pick was a DROY favorite until he got hurt, I think the #2 is going to be a beast, and they also got a couple of developmental OL guys and a starting WR. There were a lot of holes going into the draft and he filled some of them. Mac Jones is a bust, but the hit rate for QBs picked after the first five picks is probably <50%. What evidence is there that Bob Kraft will hire someone who's any better? If you think the rebuild will happen faster with a new GM, fine, but I'm not so sure.

 

[lancerman]

This is a "what have you done for me lately business." I get that. Having said that, I think the 2023 draft was a pretty good one. The first-round pick was a DROY favorite until he got hurt, I think the #2 is going to be a beast, and they also got a couple of developmental OL guys and a starting WR. There were a lot of holes going into the draft and he filled some of them. Mac Jones is a bust, but the hit rate for QBs picked after the first five picks is probably <50%. What evidence is there that Bob Kraft will hire someone who's any better? If you think the rebuild will happen faster with a new GM, fine, but I'm not so sure.

The problem is that it's way too early to make judgements on that draft. Everyone though the 2022 draft was a return to form and less than two years later it looks like a dumpster fire. The 2019 draft looked amazing on paper and we know how that turned out.

Gonzo looks like a great pick, but he just suffered a season ending injury as a player who is in a crucial developmental phase, we've seen the issues that can cause. This time next year we might be saying "the draft sucked and players aren't panning out".

What I do know is that Belichick has had since 2019 to rebuild this team and it's worse than ever. This isn't a team that is a good free agency or draft away from being contenders next year. Bill Belichick turns 72 this off season. Do you really want him being the guy to lead a multi year rebuild for a team that he probably isn't going to be part of for most of their window even if it succeeds? Do you think a guy his age is going to change his trajectory?

The next guy possibly failing isn't a good reason to stay with the guy who has been failing. Bill is failing. If the next guy fails, we move on until we get the right guy. It's not the time anymore to be sentimental over a HC.

 

[MrTibbs]

To me the big issue is personnel decisions going forward. They have a ton of $$$ for free agency, and high draft picks coming next April. I don’t want a reload I want a fresh start, and I don’t want Belichick making the decisions for their future rosters. Clean out the dead wood, keep the players you want to build around, draft a QB with the first pick, and build the OL and WR with free agency and the draft.

If Bill shops for the groceries again it could potentially set the Patriots back for a handful of years. The Krafts need a serious meeting in regards to the future of this team. If Bill is only staying for another year or two it makes no sense to let him do anything except walk away. Now is the time for a total revamp (uniforms too) PLEASE!!

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[palialka]

BB is under contract. Boot Robert, Jonathon takes team over, BB consultant, anybody else as GM, 30-40 something year old as new generation offensive Head Coach. Tell Mayo sorry, had enough or the Patriots Way, Asst Head Coach, Defensive Coordinator or hit the bricks.

Anyone named Belichick gone. Anyone who can be termed a Belichick Little Buddy gone. Joe Judge humiliated, maybe offer him team manager / laundry duties, then fired.

I could get onboard with this…doubt BB would just want to stay on as a consultant, although it might give him a saving face opportunity to bow out of his current debacle.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

The problem is that it's way too early to make judgements on that draft. Everyone though the 2022 draft was a return to form and less than two years later it looks like a dumpster fire. The 2019 draft looked amazing on paper and we know how that turned out.

Gonzo looks like a great pick, but he just suffered a season ending injury as a player who is in a crucial developmental phase, we've seen the issues that can cause. This time next year we might be saying "the draft sucked and players aren't panning out".

What I do know is that Belichick has had since 2019 to rebuild this team and it's worse than ever. This isn't a team that is a good free agency or draft away from being contenders next year. Bill Belichick turns 72 this off season. Do you really want him being the guy to lead a multi year rebuild for a team that he probably isn't going to be part of for most of their window even if it succeeds? Do you think a guy his age is going to change his trajectory?

The next guy possibly failing isn't a good reason to stay with the guy who has been failing. Bill is failing. If the next guy fails, we move on until we get the right guy. It's not the time anymore to be sentimental over a HC.

Maybe, with a good draft and the right free agent signing things can turn around in a hurry, not saying BB should do it, I'll leave that up to RK who I'm sure has a plan for next year to improve things. At least we have a good defense, can build on that and add key pieces to the offense next year.

 

[Family]

This is a "what have you done for me lately business." I get that. Having said that, I think the 2023 draft was a pretty good one. The first-round pick was a DROY favorite until he got hurt, I think the #2 is going to be a beast, and they also got a couple of developmental OL guys and a starting WR. There were a lot of holes going into the draft and he filled some of them. Mac Jones is a bust, but the hit rate for QBs picked after the first five picks is probably <50%. What evidence is there that Bob Kraft will hire someone who's any better? If you think the rebuild will happen faster with a new GM, fine, but I'm not so sure.

The problem is do you rebuild with a 72 year old man? It's just too much to expect, especially since he is from the defensive side.

Bill needs his own Tampa Bay situation, and then we'll see that he can still coach.

It's fair to say Tom would never have won again here. Bill's now the same.

 

[Family]

I could see this amicable, and they're toasting champagne together at the divorce.

They've been through this before, and know what's best for all.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

This entire team was put together by him. Between years of awful drafting and useless FA signings this mess is his fault. He deserves to be fired

 

[They_Hate_We]

Since RLKAG was not an option, I went with "stay on as head coach". Why? Because if BB the GM is stripped of his duties, he'll probably quit and move to greener pastures. I can't bring myself to say he sucks as a coach, but damn! We have the worst roster in the league because of BB the GM.

Coach BB should throw GM BB into the same doghouse that he throws people for entire seasons for a fumble or not touching 2 twos inbound for a reception.

 

[Guts]

No
If it wasn't for the dynastic run he'd be fired since last year

 

[venecol]

Only 4 ReAl PaTs FaNs left on this board. The rest of you ****s, haters alls of youse.

 

[Vindicate]

I welcome a change. I think it'd be refreshing. Would be way less distracting for rookie players trying to figure out the league. Plus I'd actually like to see BB go to a set team and bang out a couple of great season (only not against us, I'd wish him the same agonizing football death that I hope on every opponent.)

I wonder if Kraft could handle a transition like that, if he'd pick the right guy or whatever. Dude is old as **** as well. And just kinda weird lol.

 

[RIpats88]

Bill needs to shift his whole philosophy on offense. And I'm not sure he's able to do it at 71.

Problem is that I think in many ways Bill took Brady/McDaniels and that side of the ball for granted and he's never adjusted to that fact.

And it's evidenced by his moves throughout his career. He hardly ever went out and got Brady a "top weapon" and in 2019 handed him garbage and pushed him out the door. Then we win enough games in 2020 and 2021 with average talent and Bill believes that side of the ball is just that easy.

That's what leads you to hiring Patricia/Judge. Believing offense is so easy a DC could do it. It's what leads you to basically giving a lesser QB like Mac Jones average talent and telling him to "make it work"

You can't build an offense for a young QB like you did for a generational talent like Brady.

And for some reason when Bill is picking offense he just whiffs. I mean who is the last great offensive player he drafted? Gronk?