(Mod Title Edit) Bill O'Brien's Comments From Tuesday ...

[vicspats]

That’s an odd comment implying Kraft is making decisions on the starting QB. I can’t imagine Bill would stick around for long if that was true.

Been saying that for awhile. Who’s to say Kraft didn’t force the Mac pick. There’s Noway Bill has 100% say in everything all the time

 

[Grogan14]

Y

Yup. We as fans have let BB get away with no accountability to fans for so long most have forgotten or don't even know that it's a thing

His accountability is an annual guaranteed salary of 25 million no matter how poorly he does his job

 

[vicspats]

I dunno. None of it is good however. If RKK is meddling in the day to day stuff, then he hasn't learned his lesson on grocery shopping from 25 years ago with Parcells.

It would also explain Bill splitting reps because he knows it doesn't work from way back in 2001.

Gotta imagine Krafty getting older. Figures he’s got another championship in him … what else he gotta do all day ? Imagine if somehow this is Billy’s way of getting back at Robert for some previous meddling ? Leave the organization in tatters from some past doings?

 

[archstanton543]

Gotta imagine Krafty getting older. Figures he’s got another championship in him … what else he gotta do all day ? Imagine if somehow this is Billy’s way of getting back at Robert for some previous meddling ? Leave the organization in tatters from some past doings?

With a Top 5 pick (at least) and a huge amount of cap money?

Yeah, take that Kraft!

 

[vicspats]

Maybe but it might all be a lot more benign than we think.

2021, things are promising. Mac looks solid. Bill and Kraft are on the same page, Mac could be "the guy".
2022, Josh leaves and takes tons of coaches with him. Bill brings back Matt and Joe and they decide to simplify the offense. Makes Mac mad, Mac is vocal about how it's bad for him, the offense overall looks kind of crummy.
2023, Kraft tells Bill "your experiment with Matt and Joe backfired last year and Mac suffered for it, go back to the old system that worked the year prior, bring back BOB to run it and Mac should return to form." Bill privately says you're right, it didn't really go the way I envisioned but I don't think Mac really is as good as we thought he was in 2021. But I'll give him this year to show us what he's got before we have to commit to him. Turns out Mac sucks, the 2023 offense is even worse than 2022 despite running things the way Mac wanted, Mac regresses terribly.

Now that doesn't necessarily mean that Bill is being held against his will starting a QB he hates, it could have been more gentlemanly than that. Hopefully Kraft sees Mac sucks and is glad Bill did not spend tons of cash on what would have been a bad year regardless. And maybe Bill also didn't necessarily see a far better QB alternative available anyway that he didn't have to spend an arm and a leg on, so trying Mac one more year was worth a shot. If it is all kind of above-board then I could see Bill staying on and picking a new QB and basically doing 2021 over again - draft a QB in the first, spending a bunch of cash on pieces and seeing how you net out long term.

I’m thinking the game where Bill grabbed Mac off the field against the Saints said it all. He is definitely not his guy. He’s weak mentally. Bill has tied his wagon ( maybe not by choice) to the wrong guy. I also not 100% sure Bill is gone at the end of the year …

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Bringing back BOB wasn't enough. If they really wanted this offense to click, even with Mac, they needed to have done better talent evaluation and acquisition on the line and in the receiving corps.

 

[venecol]

I’d agree with you about most positions, with the exceptions of on-field talent. Players and coaches are too important to the product.

Also, I make a distinction between individual player decisions, things like draft rankings I’d agree with you about. Overall health of the roster, things like why the OL was such a mess at the start of the season and seems better now, and issues affecting competitive results I will argue are essential elements to the health of the business and part of Kraft’s core concerns. Those are what I’d expect him to be briefed about or consulted on in the routine course of business.

I think it's naive to say that they didn't discuss the QB situation and who would be starting when the ENTIRE region and a good part of the media/country was talking about it. Bill's guessing game wasn't by coincidence, it was planned. Kraft definately had his say on the matter because he can be many things but he's no dummy.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

I've heard BB take accountability the same way BOB is being praised for it. People just choose to ignore it because if it's acknowledged then it's one less pitchfork to throw aimlessly at an undeserving target.

 

[archstanton543]

I've heard BB take accountability the same way BOB is being praised for it. People just choose to ignore it because if it's acknowledged then it's one less pitchfork to throw aimlessly at an undeserving target.

You've never heard BB say "We just need to coach it better"? Because that's basically what BoB said.

 

[Ring 6]

You've never heard BB say "We just need to coach it better"? Because that's basically what BoB said.

Belichick says that first after almost every loss and had for 24 years.

 

[Triumph]

He slipped up mentioning Bob Kraft calls the shots.

 

[sb1]

Must be looking at your boy zappy smurf standing in front of him.

 

[Ring 6]

Must be looking at your boy zappy smurf standing in front of him.

Funny that you don’t know what happened before that.

 

[Steve102]

I agree on D-Hop, but watching what happened in Houston when O'Brien was here, I am not one bit surprised he has done nothing in NE. The offense really doesn't look any better than the Matty and Joe show, does it? He's the Quarterbacks coach too, and they are both much worse than last year. I can't think of one time this year saying, "that was a nice play call."

Players play. It's a player's game.

If your job is to cook a gourmet meal, but your ingredients are nuggies and fries, you're gonna end up with a ****ty gourmet meal. I was all on board with blaming Fat Matt last year. Maybe BoB sucks too, but maybe, just maybe, the chef has lousy ingredients and the QB sucks.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Probably thinking this little thing needs a massage

 

[sb1]

Players play. It's a player's game.

If your job is to cook a gourmet meal, but your ingredients are nuggies and fries, you're gonna end up with a ****ty gourmet meal. I was all on board with blaming Fat Matt last year. Maybe BoB sucks too, but maybe, just maybe, the chef has lousy ingredients and the QB sucks.

Yeah it can be both.

 

[Steve102]

Yeah it can be both.

I said maybe BoB sucks too.

 

[Ring 6]

Players play. It's a player's game.

If your job is to cook a gourmet meal, but your ingredients are nuggies and fries, you're gonna end up with a ****ty gourmet meal. I was all on board with blaming Fat Matt last year. Maybe BoB sucks too, but maybe, just maybe, the chef has lousy ingredients and the QB sucks.

It’s the QB

 

[sb1]

It’s the QB

So then if it's the QB you agree the dynasty was all Brady. Same logic. Works both ways.

 

[TheRainMaker]

So then if it's the QB you agree the dynasty was all Brady. Same logic. Works both ways.