OT: Josh McDaniels Fired

[JayNM]

Exactly. It's how it's taught and implemented.

The argument is E/P is too hard and you need smart/experienced receivers to run it.

Back in the Steeler Roeth days they ran E/P and seemed to land decent WRs on a consistent basis and scored a bunch of points. No one ever accused Roeth, Santonio Holmes, Hines Ward or Brown as being high IQ football players.

I think Tom raised the level of complexity so they needed to be choosy with the type of offensive players they brought in here.

Once Tom left, in the effort to expand potential WR fits, they scaled back the playbook but clearly haven't figured out to to score points and are poor at finding consistently producing receivers not named Meyers.

Great post and perspective, as usual RW

Let me go one step further, then maybe merging the how and why the EP seems to be flustering.

All that you pointed show to one thing in common, in my mind. It might shock you: Study

From what I know about the E/P, it requires a lot of mental effort, knowing the ifs and whiches of any given moment right? Your points indicate me so.

I sincerely doubt the attention span of the younger generation helps with the amount of study that goes through learning the EP system, AFAIK. and if you allow me a slight deviation, - where Brady fits into this - actually simple: If he does it (study this much), I should do it. They've lost the example. It's huge.

So, back on track, if indeed there is generational systematic problem with EP, it goes back to what said. It's outdated. And the how might go deeper than one or two (or three or four) coaches. Why? EP requires study. How? To make the amount of study that it requires.

As many simple questions in life... Look easy. Aren't.

(And with everything that I think of BB, that is why I am so doubtful of him being able to understand this and simply change)

 

[Rob0729]

C'mon, you are going to tell me this guy isn't good with money? Just look at him. When I do, all I see is financial genius.

 

[Thelonious]

That was a quick hook. What 1.5 seasons?

Like poop through a goose.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Great post and perspective, as usual RW

Let me go one step further, then maybe merging the how and why the EP seems to be flustering.

All that you pointed show to one thing in common, in my mind. It might shock you: Study

From what I know about the E/P, it requires a lot of mental effort, knowing the ifs and whiches of any given moment right? Your points indicate me so.

I sincerely doubt the attention span of the younger generation helps with the amount of study that goes through learning the EP system, AFAIK. and if you allow me a slight deviation, - where Brady fits into this - actually simple: If he does it (study this much), I should do it. They've lost the example. It's huge.

So, back on track, if indeed there is generational systematic problem with EP, it goes back to what said. It's outdated. And the how might go deeper than one or two (or three or four) coaches. Why? EP requires study. How? To make the amount of study that it requires.

As many simple questions in life... Look easy. Aren't.

(And with everything that I think of BB, that is why I am so doubtful of him being able to understand this and simply change)

I hadn't thought about the generational/ADD angle of it. Interesting.

 

[RobertWeathers]

C'mon, you are going to tell me this guy isn't good with money? Just look at him. When I do all I see is financial genius.

WORST HAIRCUT EVER

 

[Thelonious]

C'mon, you are going to tell me this guy isn't good with money? Just look at him. When I do all I see is financial genius.

My own hairdo is notable mostly for its absence, but better the Wide Part than having that wretched thing on your head.

 

[Real fan 02]

They discussed a rule, but I don’t think they ever made one. The Pats did the same thing with Daboll a year later.

Yes.. that's what I was thinking also. Luckily for Josh he gets to get paid while on vacation.

 

[Real fan 02]

Bring him back as some form of QB coach? We could do with a dedicated QB whisperer for Mac and there is probably no-one better in terms of previous successful relationship. Might free BoB up running O as a whole. Feels like a win-win situation all around as let's face it the O can't get much worse. Just can't win games at 14.8 points/game while throwing pick6s and getting killed in ToP. Start getting 25pts+, reduce dumb interceptions and give D less time on the field and we'd be tougher to beat. Mac being more effective would be the key to that now the Oline is final stabilising.

I believe BOB is also the QB coach as well as OC.. I can see Josh back as some type of consultant or advisor that BB has been known to do... I was a big Mac supporter until it just became emphatically clear that he's not the QB I thought he'd be this season. He's not a rookie but still making rookie mistakes.

 

[Real fan 02]

My own hairdo is notable mostly for its absence, but better the Wide Part than having that wretched thing on your head.

 

[Steve102]

When you think about it, that is a very short time for any head coach. However, I’ve taken in quite a few Raider games since he’s been there and his in game decisions, especially late in games have unforgivable sins. More tahan most coaches. Obviously there is also players like Adams and Jacobs just shutting down. Either they are little *****es or maybe Josh just rubbed that team the wrong way and didn’t exude any confidence or direction? His history is against him

That part is a problem. If the players have access to the owner and can sway his decision making like that, then no coach is going to succeed there. It certainly does give a little credence to Bill's "I want to coach who I want to coach" thought process. Players having that power is bad from a team building point of view. It's the tail wagging the dog.

 

[Steve102]

Looks like they are benching Jimmy G. Perhaps that's the move the GM and Josh fought and lost.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

C'mon, you are going to tell me this guy isn't good with money? Just look at him. When I do, all I see is financial genius.

Dude looks like the offspring of Moe from the Three stooges and Carrie from the King Of Queens when she got her hair cut short in that one episode

 

[chasa]

interested to see if bill brings josh in to coach the kickers or something. Bill seems like to bring in guys for cheap to coach in positions they are not qualified for.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Josh McDaniels Was Supposed to Take the Raiders to the Next Level. He Made Them an Embarrassment.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Would he have say in who the HC is and what the cap is?

Sometimes great players don't make great coaches or executives. Wayne Gretzky in Arizona. MJ in Charlotte come to mind.

He never actually bought into the Raiders as they tried to give shares to him at a discount and the other owners kyboshed it.

Also, I think TB12 could be great at any damned thing he decided to be.

Hell, I’m not sure he wouldn’t be the best GM or HC if he felt like it.

But…seems broadcasting is what he wants to do and at that $$ who wouldn’t?

 

[PatsFan2]

Fair points. I just know Bill loves the guy but he does look to be close to the end.

The wind would put Jimmy on IR.

 

[sb1]

Well at least Josh wasn't filming anyone's practices this time. I think.

 

[Schmo]

I am not sure how exactly McDaniels would fit back in NE. Obviously Bill loves to bring back guys being paid by other teams, and Josh has a whole 4 years left on his deal. However, BOB is doing a fine job and I don’t know to what degree Josh would necessarily do better, if at all. The offensive issues have a lot more to do with Mac ****ting himself than the play calling.

Since Bill can’t bring Josh back as a full OC anyway, because that would cancel his HC cash, I can maybe see a sort of “QB consultant” role where Josh mainly just works with Mac to try to get him back to a good place this year.

Mac needs a dedicated QB coach just to get him to work on his fundamentals.

This was my immediate thought. Josh eats a slice of humble pie and comes back to be Mac's babysitter. That's one less hat for BOB to wear and can concentrate on the offense as a whole... something I would think he would welcome.

If BOB leaves over the offseason, a bigger role is available for McD. If not, Josh has his choice of jobs around the NFL.

@Ross12 point is interesting though.... the OC job nullifying his pay from the Raiders. How does that work exactly? Does it depend on what his title is? For some reason I thought that he would get paid his raiders money minus his salary from the patriots... no idea how I came up with that though.

 

[lancerman]

Apparently Broncos players were concerned when he traded Cutler to Chicago. McDaniels actually had the nuts to tells Broncos players he could "turn any High School QB into an All Pro". As the article linked to that quote said, it looks like he started to believe this after Matt Cassel had a good season in 2008 - who hadn't played football since High School.

It seems as though we are seeing some delusion from these coaches. First we have Matt Patricia saying he was responsible for the 2014 Super Bowl win and now McDaniels believing he's the QB guru.

We also had those 2017 leaks of Pats coaching staff saying they felt Bill could win with any decent QB and that Brady wasn’t that important. They were all sniffing their own farts and didn’t know how lucky they were

 

[BennyBledsoe]

We've been down this road before.

Successfully, I might add. Some guys are just made to be coordinators. McDaniels is one of them.