Broncos moving Jeudy

[Ring 6]

The only guy that would make Mac actually look somewhat not total garbage would be his old pal Jaylen Waddle ...unfortunately Miami has zero interest in letting him go anytime soon so Jeudy on his way from a promising career to being a bust is the far lower option.

Waaaah

 

[Thelonious]

We have long been in the happy but now foolish habit of assuming that the purpose of games during the season is get qualified and ready to compete for the playoffs, ultimately for the championship.

That is no longer the purpose of this season: obviously. We have no shot. The purpose of this season is: 1) to evaluate the players and staff we have presently on the team/roster, Mac included. We evaluate them not on how they might help this season but on their possible value next year and in years following. 2) Before we to take on other players, before we trade anybody away or trade for anybody, before we even begin to consider what roster-building strategy to adopt overall; we must relieve the present GM of his duties, identify his replacement, and let that replacement begin to work. A lot of speculation on whether the Pats might dump Bill this season (either as GM or altogether) seems to bear on whether doing so might hurt Bill's feelings or upset a few staff members. Who cares? Bill must be gotten out of the GM job now, so that the work of rebuilding - work for which he is demonstrably not qualified - can begin. 3) The final task this season is to begin the work of identifying and acquiring the next head coach. While I personally would not mind giving Bill another season or two as HC, I think there is little to no chance Bill would agree to surrendering the GM job and would resign both jobs instead. So the Krafts - with the services of whatever consultants might be helpful - must begin the search for a new HC as well, and there is no time like the present for it.

We know what must be done. Let's quit wringing our hands and get on with it.

 

[PatsFan2]

We are in the happy and now foolish habit of assuming that the purpose of games during the season is get qualified and ready to compete for the playoffs, ultimately for the championship.

That is no longer the purpose of this season: obviously. We have no shot. The purpose of this season is: 1) to evaluate the players and staff we have presently on the team/roster, Mac included. We evaluate them not on how they might help this season but on their possible value next year and in years following. 2) Before we to take on other players, before we trade anybody away or trade for anybody, before we even begin to consider what roster-building strategy to adopt overall; we must relieve the present GM of his duties, identify his replacement, and let that replacement begin to work. A lot of speculation on whether the Pats might dump Bill this season (either as GM or altogether) seems to bear on whether doing so might hurt Bill's feelings or upset a few staff members. Who cares? Bill must be gotten out of the GM job now, so that the work of rebuilding - work for which he is demonstrably not qualified - can begin. 3) The final task this season is to begin the work of identifying and acquiring the next head coach. While I personally would not mind giving Bill another season or two as HC, I think there is little to no chance Bill would agree to surrendering the GM job and would resign both jobs instead. So the Krafts - with the services of whatever consultants might be helpful - must begin the search for a new HC as well, and there is no time like the present for it.

We know what must be done. Let's quit wringing our hands and get on with it.

And that's the key with his ego can he put it aside?? I wouldn't mind him just Coaching but let someone else shop for the groceries.

 

[jdlboot14]

I don't know enough about Jeudy's mental makeup. It appears Steve Smith doesn't approve.
On the other hand, I'd trade Parker for Jeudy in a second, and take whatever comes with it.
At least Jeudy can run, catches contested balls and sideline balls. He'd probably be much more productive than TT is right now.
Added to the history and chemistry with Mac, it's worth the risk IMO. We can't continue as we are.

 

[Thelonious]

And that's the key with his ego can he put it aside?? I wouldn't mind him just Coaching but let someone else shop for the groceries.

Yep. It seems to me matters are not nearly as complicated as general discussion might suggest. We know Bill has to go as GM. We know it is very unlikely Bill would agree to surrendering the GM job and remaining as HC, and that many people think he's no longer very good at either job anyway. Given Bill is a failure as GM, we know we don't want him participating this season in GM-level decisions pertaining to next draft or to next year and years following.

So we know what must be done. There is no reason not to get on with it. I would think high-end business people like the Krafts would see this.

 

[denverpatsfan]

What's his separation stat? They track that stuff now. Compared to the Pro bowlers on this current Pats roster.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don't know enough about Jeudy's mental makeup. It appears Steve Smith doesn't approve.
On the other hand, I'd trade Parker for Jeudy in a second, and take whatever comes with it.
At least Jeudy can run, catches contested balls and sideline balls. He'd probably be much more productive than TT is right now.
Added to the history and chemistry with Mac, it's worth the risk IMO. We can't continue as we are.

Or Jeudy could be a really nice tandem with TT the Safeties couldn't cheat now with all that speed. BOB should be able the scheme them open our Offense would be a little more innovative.

 

[lancerman]

Unless it’s a 5th or less.

Not even that. A high 5th could be packaged with a 7th or some junk player to get another spot in the heart of the 4th. Jeudy isn't worth giving that up. He's proving himself at best to be WR 2/3 quality on a team with meh WR's. He would be a slight improvement for us, but that's more of an indictment on us

 

[203Pat]

I don't know enough about Jeudy's mental makeup. It appears Steve Smith doesn't approve.
On the other hand, I'd trade Parker for Jeudy in a second, and take whatever comes with it.
At least Jeudy can run, catches contested balls and sideline balls. He'd probably be much more productive than TT is right now.
Added to the history and chemistry with Mac, it's worth the risk IMO. We can't continue as we are.

Lol no one is taking Parker.

 

[lancerman]

Or Jeudy could be a really nice tandem with TT the Safeties couldn't cheat now with all that speed. BOB should be able the scheme them open our Offense would be a little more innovative.

Idk why would think BOB can scheme him anymore open than Denver. Bob was the OC when our pass catchers were Welker, Gronk, Hernandez and Branch. It wasn't like it takes some skill to scheme them open. We've never really seen BOB excel with WR's he had to get creative with.

Jeudy just isn't the guy would should be targetting. He's another mediocre reclamation project for a team that clearly doesn't have the ability to elevate WR's either through coaching or QB. Jeudy might be okay if he's a WR2 on a team with a very clear number 1 and a solid 3 or TE. But Jeudy really at this point is only going to work on a team where he is an extra role player that won't be the focus of defenses.

 

[PatsFan2]

Idk why would think BOB can scheme him anymore open than Denver. Bob was the OC when our pass catchers were Welker, Gronk, Hernandez and Branch. It wasn't like it takes some skill to scheme them open. We've never really seen BOB excel with WR's he had to get creative with.

Jeudy just isn't the guy would should be targetting. He's another mediocre reclamation project for a team that clearly doesn't have the ability to elevate WR's either through coaching or QB. Jeudy might be okay if he's a WR2 on a team with a very clear number 1 and a solid 3 or TE. But Jeudy really at this point is only going to work on a team where he is an extra role player that won't be the focus of defenses.

My point is we are replacing Parker and Juju with Jeudy and TT I a not a homer but I like our chances going forward with those two.

 

[PatsFan2]

Idk why would think BOB can scheme him anymore open than Denver. Bob was the OC when our pass catchers were Welker, Gronk, Hernandez and Branch. It wasn't like it takes some skill to scheme them open. We've never really seen BOB excel with WR's he had to get creative with.

Jeudy just isn't the guy would should be targetting. He's another mediocre reclamation project for a team that clearly doesn't have the ability to elevate WR's either through coaching or QB. Jeudy might be okay if he's a WR2 on a team with a very clear number 1 and a solid 3 or TE. But Jeudy really at this point is only going to work on a team where he is an extra role player that won't be the focus of defenses.

I have seen Rookies that are balling in this League we need TT to get it going he's a Second Rounder. TT have a really good release package off the LOS we need to take advantage of that the time is now.

 

[mgteich]

We should be sellers, not buyers at the deadline. Jeudy is at best a tiny bandaid

Buying for next year is OK.

The issue is how much we would need to give them for Jeudy and to take Shuster.

 

[mgteich]

Juju + 4th + 10 million cap hit consumed for jeudy

There are really two parts here.

COMPENSATION FOR JEUDY
Jeudy is contracted through 2024. What is best compensation that they will get. A 4th seems right.

COMPENSATION TO TAKE SHUSTER
If we are to get Jeudy for a 4th, we would need to also give up something for them to take Shuster and his guaranteed money.

A POSSIBLE DEAL
We give up a 3rd and Shuster for Jeudy. Frr 2024. we would then have Jeudy, Thornton, Parker, Douglas and Boutte. Of course, we would still be looking a top 10 WR, but we wouls start with five. And, IMO, there is nothing wrong with Parker as a #3 or #4 WR.

 

[203Pat]

There are really two parts here.

COMPENSATION FOR JEUDY
Jeudy is contracted through 2024. What is best compensation that they will get. A 4th seems right.

COMPENSATION TO TAKE SHUSTER
If we are to get Jeudy for a 4th, we would need to also give up something for them to take Shuster and his guaranteed money.

A POSSIBLE DEAL
We give up a 3rd and Shuster for Jeudy. Frr 2024. we would then have Jeudy, Thornton, Parker, Douglas and Boutte. Of course, we would still be looking a top 10 WR, but we wouls start with five. And, IMO, there is nothing wrong with Parker as a #3 or #4 WR.

No one is taking Juju. No one.

 

[jdlboot14]

There are really two parts here.

COMPENSATION FOR JEUDY
Jeudy is contracted through 2024. What is best compensation that they will get. A 4th seems right.

COMPENSATION TO TAKE SHUSTER
If we are to get Jeudy for a 4th, we would need to also give up something for them to take Shuster and his guaranteed money.

A POSSIBLE DEAL
We give up a 3rd and Shuster for Jeudy. Frr 2024. we would then have Jeudy, Thornton, Parker, Douglas and Boutte. Of course, we would still be looking a top 10 WR, but we wouls start with five. And, IMO, there is nothing wrong with Parker as a #3 or #4 WR.

NO ONE is going to take JSS. It was a colossal error. Most (smart) fans knew it from the get go.
We're going to have to eat that $ this year. I'd rather lose JuJu and Parker the rest of this year and start building reps for next year.
But, there's no way BB admits his stupidity of re-signing Parker.
I'd love to roll with Bourne, Pop, TT, Boutte (and trade for Jeudy) the rest of the year just to see who's worth rebuilding with in '24.

 

[jdlboot14]

Lol no one is taking Parker.

I didn't mean we could actually trade Parker. What I meant was I'd trade their spots on the roster and reps he's getting. Clearly we're screwed with his contract (and JSS's this year). True disaster of judgment for BB. That alone would get any other GM fired.

 

[203Pat]

I didn't mean we could actually trade Parker. What I meant was I'd trade their spots on the roster and reps he's getting. Clearly we're screwed with his contract (and JSS's this year). True disaster of judgment for BB. That alone would get any other GM fired.

Oh sorry I misunderstood. I really can't believe he doubled down on Parker this summer. Just asinine and Juju has just been salt in the wound.

 

[lancerman]

Buying for next year is OK.

The issue is how much we would need to give them for Jeudy and to take Shuster.

Anything we buy should be longterm and cap friendly during the season. The off season is when we can reload and make bigger moves that will benefit us long term. Jeudy isn't a guy like that. If we trade for him we are going to be picking up his 5th year option for a guaranteed 12 million and then he's a free agent at the end of next season. It's completely counterintuitive to make that move. It's more money than his skill is worth and it's short term and he's going to ask for more if he shows any improvement at all next year. Way better off drafting, trading or finding someone else in free agency that fits what a rebuild requires.

I don't even see the rational in the Denver taking on Juju. If they are getting rid of Jeudy, they are also committing to an offensive rebuild and probably going for Williams (as we should). Taking on a mediocre WR for two years makes no sense.

 

[Ross12]

I don't know why people are so hell bent on moving Parker. He's getting paid around $6M a year, that's depth WR money. It's not prohibiting them from adding multiple guys ahead of him on the depth chart. He can be a fine 3rd or 4th WR if there are talented guys who can separate ahead of him that demand attention. He's just awful as a WR1.