Mac Not Happy With the Groceries

[RIpats88]

I think we've all said they need a #1 WR.

You're wrong about the roster.

I have no idea what Zappe has to do with any of this. I haven't seen anyone mention him.

If Mac is 90% of the problem then starting Zappe should = wins and everyone improving their games.

No need to play dumb. Like you don't understand why I'm mentioning the other QB we have.

 

[archstanton543]

I doubt this thread subject is true, that they found someone close to Mac to talk to them.

But if it is true (or isn't)... fck Mac, he is the biggest problem on this team.



Replace Mac with someone competent and watch magically as everything else improves.

Replace the o-line with a competent one and watch magically how Mac improves.

 

[1960Pats]

Mac was touted for his accuracy but it's been the opposite. His fundamentals stink... He's gotten worst

No way. Bill will coach him up and get him up, just like he did for Brady.
We also have a top OC prospect, who I was told, is good for 2 more wins than the last guy. The Pats will need to go on a long winning streak for that to happen.

 

[upstater1]

If Mac is 90% of the problem then starting Zappe should = wins and everyone improving their games.

No need to play dumb. Like you don't understand why I'm mentioning the other QB we have.

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The reasons why are obvious.

 

[Wozzy]

If Mac is 90% of the problem then starting Zappe should = wins and everyone improving their games.

No need to play dumb. Like you don't understand why I'm mentioning the other QB we have.

This ^ isn't true.

Assuming the rest of the team plays well... If Zappe plays competently it should equal wins. If Grier plays competently it will equal wins.

It's not coincidence the one game Mac didn't turn the ball over is the Patriots only win.

Mac has sucked royally. Mac has been the problem.

 

[Wozzy]

Replace the o-line with a competent one and watch magically how Mac improves.

Mac has had mostly clean pockets since week three.

He's only been sacked three times in the last three games, two came yesterday on a Hail Mary attempt at the end of the half.

He's also played three of the best defensive fronts in the NFL.

He just sucks.

 

[RIpats88]

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The reasons why are obvious.

Let me explain it simply. If the QB is 90% of the problem then replacing the QB with another QB should = wins. No?

Because if it doesn't = wins then the roster is just bad from top to bottom just as I said.

 

[RIpats88]

Mac has had mostly clean pockets since week three.

He just sucks.

50% pressure rate last 2 weeks would say otherwise

 

[lancerman]

He's better than mac. That's how. Don't tell me about perpetual head case Cleveland. It's a horror show there.

Let me say something here: I don't think Baker Mayfield is a good or average QB. All I'm saying is that he's better than Scott Secules.

That's not an answer. Baker went 1-3 and 1-5 his last two years. Baker had one winning record at 11-5 on the Browns. They were a MUCH better team than this Patriots squad.

You throwing a wishful thinking platitude of "uhhh he's better so he'll save us" isn't an answer. He does better this year on this team than he did the last two years. Btw Baker Mayfield statistcially over his career... not a lot different than Mac. They have a 1 point difference in passer rating, they have .3 difference in yards per average, they have a 4% difference in completion percentage (in Mac's favor), Baker despite starting 37 more games only has 25 more TD's. Even if Mac threw an INT every game until he matched Baker in starts, he'd throw exactly 1 more INT than Baker for his career.

So again, once you ignore wishful thinking and go into pure facts and reality... the difference isn't there. Weird

 

[Trolltolls]

Some people want to believe the problem is simple and is all on Mac. Mac hasn't been good that's obvious, but unfortunately we have a full team issue with a huge lack of talent. This will continue for awhile, rebuilds aren't easy unless you luck out. Fixing the O line should be the first priority.

 

[Real fan 02]

Let's do the last 4 seasons. Where the Patriots were picking, what move would you make otherwise?

And please make this relative to what the rest of the league is doing. A lot of teams (Phins, Bills, etc) sink to the bottom which allows them to reset. I look at the Patriots drafting and I see misses. But it's always in context. Tyquan over Pickens was a big miss. The first 6 WRs before Pickens, tho, are doing nothing or already busted.

This is the problem. There's a lot of young talent right now, and let's face it they are mostly here to operate in Belichick's defense (bend don't break).

In 2000, the team got rid of a lot of young talent that went on to play well elsewhere (Terry Glenn, Greg Spires, Shawn Jefferson, Ben Coates) and after 2001 even more were let go (Bledsoe, Milloy, Woody).

The poor season lead to a top draft pick in Richard Seymour, who ended up as a HOFer. We haven't picked that high since 2001.

But look who came along for the ride from the Carroll years (most of them with only 3 or 4 years under their belt): McGinest, Bruschi, Law, Troy Brown, Kevin Faulk, Ted Johnson, Brandon Mitchell, Adam Vinatieri. This was the foundation for what came next.

No one would've thought McGinest would turn into what he did. In fact, McGinest was considered an Uche with less production by most Patriots fans in 1999. Faulk a complete waste of a draft pick. Troy Brown not even a top WR. Bruschi was a drinking game.

This is why I say there's a foundation here with many players who can be among the best in the league. Even on the OL with Onwenu and Brown. But mostly on D with Wise, White, Barmore, Uche, Dugger, Peppers, Gonzalez and the 3 Joneses.

Your spot on and I agree 100% throughout the years becoming HC we had foundation pieces to work with. Yes every organization has hits and misses absolutely. We were so lucky becuase BB gets along rope becuase he was the guy that drafted Brady and gave him and opportunity. However I'll just sum up this season. His coaching tenure is ending like it started loosing. Again BB is the GOAT HC and he deserves to be able to walk away and be celebrated. But as someone posted I Believe BB and RK are very intelligent successful men. They both know this is the end.

I wouldn't have taken Cole strange where we drafted him. Cyrus Jones, N'Keal Harry,Juan Williams Duke Dawson. BB was on record saying they really never drafted for need first. well if not then why are you drafting? To your point those guys were drafted you mentioned yes to play in BB defense. Gonzo and Peppers ,Dugger should be the pillars going forward on defense.

On offense everything needs to be revamped. We have seen enough to determine this.

 

[Wozzy]

50% pressure rate last 2 weeks would say otherwise

Analytics are for morons.

Mac runs when there is no pressure... so he gets credited with a "pressure."

 

[RIpats88]

This ^ isn't true.

Assuming the rest of the team plays well... If Zappe plays competently it should equal wins. If Grier plays competently it will equal wins.

It's not coincidence the one game Mac didn't turn the ball over is the Patriots only win.

Mac has sucked royally. Mac has been the problem.

How well is zappe going to play with an OL that doesn't block no run game and poor receivers?

But if zappe fails too. You guys will just say Zappe sucked anyway. He went 2-7 airmailing guys and running for his life.

Waiting for the magical QB to make Bourne and Juju 2k yard receivers that they really are.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Mac has had mostly clean pockets since week three.

He's only been sacked three times in the last three games, two came yesterday on a Hail Mary attempt at the end of the half.

He's also played three of the best defensive fronts in the NFL.

He just sucks.

He’s had mostly clean pockets? Christ, do
You watch the games?

 

[archstanton543]

Some people want to believe the problem is simple and is all on Mac. Mac hasn't been good that's obvious, but unfortunately we have a full team issue with a huge lack of talent. This will continue for awhile, rebuilds aren't easy unless you luck out. Fixing the O line should be the first priority.

BB would yell you that he addressed the line by drafting a bunch of guys in the fourth round this year.

 

[RIpats88]

Analytics are for morons.

Mac runs when there is no pressure... so he gets credited with a "pressure."

That's not how these stats work. Anyone with eyes can see the OL is not good.

 

[lancerman]

50% pressure rate last 2 weeks would say otherwise

You're talking to somebody who spent all last offseason haranguing anyone who dared to say the team was poorly constructed. He needs a scapegoat for being this wrong. We have statistically the worst ranked offensive line in the league and the worst ranked pass protection in the league. Anyone saying the line isn't a problem is on crack

 

[archstanton543]

He’s had mostly clean pockets? Christ, do
You watch the games?

Either that or he's trolling.

 

[Thelonious]

Mac is not the main problem, but neither may he be the solution. A decision must be made. His situation has been so f'd-up that we need the rest of the season to give more context on the basis of which to make a final judgment on him. No point in playing Zappe, really, now is there? C'mon now.

The problem is and has been for several years now at least, Bill Belichick the GM. He must be fired. Bill must be told that the price for remaining as HC - which I hope (though without very great enthusiasm) he will - is that he loses both the HC and the GM jobs. Bill's performance over several years makes such an ultimatum 100% reasonable and "in the best interests of the team."

I've been saying this for a while, but yesterday's game was the final straw.

 

[203Pat]

I don't understand the Mac = bad then Zappe = good argument. Maybe they're both bad.