Mac Jones Through 2 Games (2021 vs 2022 vs 2023) By QTR and Redzone Totals

[Triumph]

Burrow and his super weapons have carried that pathetic offensive line to the playoffs the last two seasons, before the offensive line was ultimately the reason they lost in the playoffs.

This may have finally caught up to them, they're 0-2, Burrow is hurt and may not play this week.

It's the ultimate team sport, anyone who says one player controls the fate of 53 doesn't understand football.

If Burrow had a quality offensive line in front of him, he would have won back to back championships the last two years.

Football is won in the trenches.

The NFL is QB driven league.

It's nothing but a pipe dream to claim that the Pats had the best offensive line talent when Brady was QB. Players like Solder left NE and failed. The QB makes or breaks the OL.

2023 will be the season to blame the OL as the reason why Corky struggles and loses.

 

[Triumph]

Kirk Cousins was considered an average QB at best until his fifth or six year in the league and even after he had his first Pro Bowl season, the Redskins let him walk. But you now think he can overcome a horrible defense and no RBs.

I like his chances better than Corky Mac.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I like his chances better than Corky Mac.

I like Mac better than Kirk Cousins, and Cousins is good.

 

[Pape]

Kirk Cousins was considered an average QB at best until his fifth or six year in the league and even after he had his first Pro Bowl season, the Redskins let him walk. But you now think he can overcome a horrible defense and no RBs.

let him walk? They tagged him twice. In a row.

 

[TheRainMaker]

It's nothing but a pipe dream to claim that the Pats had the best offensive line talent when Brady was QB. Players like Solder left NE and failed. The QB makes or breaks the OL.

Yep, he mostly had feel good guys on the OL. Not much talent throughout the years.

Solder was constantly chasing defenders after whiffing blocks. Light was also overrated getting roughed up against elite rushers.

 

[JMC00]

The NFL is QB driven league.

It's nothing but a pipe dream to claim that the Pats had the best offensive line talent when Brady was QB. Players like Solder left NE and failed. The QB makes or breaks the OL.

2023 will be the season to blame the OL as the reason why Corky struggles and loses.

Mac thru 2 games has had almost identical output as the supposed best QB ever (by some) and the best QB right now while Mahomes has had way better protection


Mahomes 530 yards 4 TD 2 INT 62.5% (his OL has had a 78% win rate)

Mac 547 yards 4 TD 2 INT 68.8% (his OL has had a 37% win rate)




Go look up Joe Burrow who has had equally bad protection who has a loaded WR core.

Mac thru the 1st 2 weeks

 

[Rob0729]

dont have access to the full replay. here are a few in the highlights view
40 second mark, 4:02 mark, 7:55 mark for the int by howard (just a bad throw), 9:32 mark, 10:04 mark, 11:44 mark,


and you will see, in what we talked about earlier, the three to five step drops out of the shotgun...

The 40 second mark? You are going to blame that on poor pocket awareness. A defender came up the middle unblocked and the outside defender was right there. In fact three guys were on top of him without being blocked. Brady would have been sacked 99 times out of 100 on that one. That had nothing to do with pocket awareness. That was 100% on lack of blocking.

The 4:02 mark. Jones had the pocket awareness to slide to his left to avoid the rush and tried to get the ball off quickly. He was hit in the And Lowe is standing flat footed watching Van Ginkel run right past him. That isn't poor pocket awareness. Again, that is another play 100% on the o-line. Another reach by you.

The 7:55 mark has nothing to do with pocket awareness. Not relevant to an argument about pocket awareness.

The 9:32 mark is yet another case of the offensive line failing the QB. There were two defensive players in his face within a second or so after he snapped the ball. He had nowhere to run to or get rid of the ball quickly. Mac had good pocket awareness in that play. He knew he either takes the sack or risk a safety, INT, or fumble.

The 10:04 mark, Jones completed a 14 yard pass to Parker. Horrible pocket awareness there. He had horrible protection and he stood in there to make the throw even though he knew he was going to get hit right after he threw. That is Brady like.

The 11:44 mark Mac stepped up to try to avoid the rush by Chubb. Lowe lost his block on Chubb. Mac just couldn't step up fast enough to avoid Chubb. But he had the pocket awareness.

I am sorry, but you clearly don't know what pocket awareness is. Either that or you are trying to manufacture lack of pocket awareness.

You provided me examples showing how well Mac played despite his offensive line being downright offensive.

 

[Vindicate]

Anything from this year? Anything for 2021 season other than two plays in the AFC Championship game? And most of the plays in these videos have nothing to do with pocket awareness and just some of Jones' worst plays.

Yes, there was a long stretch last year where he had horrible pocket awareness. It was after he got injured and might have been because he couldn't move that well because of his ankle. But that was the outlier. He had good pocket awareness (great for a rookie) in 2021, he had good pocket awareness down the stretch last year, and he has had good pocket awareness this year. Again, you formed an opinion about the guy based on six-eight games and are ignoring the facts that it was just a bad stretch for him.

And asking if he won the Eagles game is just goalpost moving and has nothing to do with his pocket awareness. Your original point was he was failing this year because of his poor pocket awareness. You have yet to provide any proof of that.

And I didn't realize that back in the Eason years people created false narratives about Eason. I just thought he sucked.

Also look at Burrow through two games with an O-Line in shambles.

Week 1: 82 yards, 0 TD's
Week 2: 220 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT

Both losses.

This isn't just a Mac thing. Mac has a ceiling, yes, and that ceiling could be lower than we're accustomed to, but outside of 2021, we've not really gotten to see that ceiling. We see behavioral aspects within individual snaps, of course. Pocket awareness can be a strike, to your point about last season. I personally think he needs to get better hitting receivers in stride, especially on deep ball.

But when we look outside the vacuum of one position, it's becomes difficult to look at much beyond the O-Line (which, if it could open up run lanes, then this will only help Mac and put another wrinkle a defense has to consider).

 

[Rob0729]

let him walk? They tagged him twice. In a row.

Because they didn't want to make a long term commitment to him because they were not confident he was actually good. They let him walk after that rather than giving him a long term deal.

 

[Pape]

Because they didn't want to make a long term commitment to him because they were not confident he was actually good. They let him walk after that rather than giving him a long term deal.

come on man. thats so far off the mark.

they tagged him because they couldn't work out a long term deal. for cousins it was all about the guaranteed money. he called their bluff and walked into a huge deal with minnesota, who basically guaranteed his entire contract.

 

[Rob0729]

come on man. thats so far off the mark.

they tagged him because they couldn't work out a long term deal. for cousins it was all about the guaranteed money. he called their bluff and walked into a huge deal with minnesota, who basically guaranteed his entire contract.

Washington didn't want to give him a long term deal because they didn't want to give him money and not be able to sign other players. If they thought he was a franchise QB to build around for the long term, they would have.

BTW, the article below is quotes about this after they gave him the first franchise tag.

GM explains why the Redskins didn't sign Kirk Cousins to a long-term contract

Scot McCloughan doesn't want to sacrifice a bunch of players for one QB

www.cbssports.com

 

[amfootball]

Also look at Burrow through two games with an O-Line in shambles.

Week 1: 82 yards, 0 TD's
Week 2: 220 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT

Both losses.

This isn't just a Mac thing. Mac has a ceiling, yes, and that ceiling could be lower than we're accustomed to, but outside of 2021, we've not really gotten to see that ceiling. We see behavioral aspects within individual snaps, of course. Pocket awareness can be a strike, to your point about last season. I personally think he needs to get better hitting receivers in stride, especially on deep ball.

But when we look outside the vacuum of one position, it's becomes difficult to look at much beyond the O-Line (which, if it could open up run lanes, then this will only help Mac and put another wrinkle a defense has to consider).

Burrow had no TC or preseason due to injury. It is a false equivalency to compare him to Mac IMO.

 

[Pape]

The 40 second mark? You are going to blame that on poor pocket awareness. A defender came up the middle unblocked and the outside defender was right there. In fact three guys were on top of him without being blocked. Brady would have been sacked 99 times out of 100 on that one. That had nothing to do with pocket awareness. That was 100% on lack of blocking.

The 4:02 mark. Jones had the pocket awareness to slide to his left to avoid the rush and tried to get the ball off quickly. He was hit in the And Lowe is standing flat footed watching Van Ginkel run right past him. That isn't poor pocket awareness. Again, that is another play 100% on the o-line. Another reach by you.

The 7:55 mark has nothing to do with pocket awareness. Not relevant to an argument about pocket awareness.

The 9:32 mark is yet another case of the offensive line failing the QB. There were two defensive players in his face within a second or so after he snapped the ball. He had nowhere to run to or get rid of the ball quickly. Mac had good pocket awareness in that play. He knew he either takes the sack or risk a safety, INT, or fumble.

The 10:04 mark, Jones completed a 14 yard pass to Parker. Horrible pocket awareness there. He had horrible protection and he stood in there to make the throw even though he knew he was going to get hit right after he threw. That is Brady like.

The 11:44 mark Mac stepped up to try to avoid the rush by Chubb. Lowe lost his block on Chubb. Mac just couldn't step up fast enough to avoid Chubb. But he had the pocket awareness.

I am sorry, but you clearly don't know what pocket awareness is. Either that or you are trying to manufacture lack of pocket awareness.

You provided me examples showing how well Mac played despite his offensive line being downright offensive.

40 seconds? he was in the shot gun, and he was watching guys run right at him. did nothing. thats poor pocket awareness on his part.

it happens over and over. and thats just from the Highlights video. God knows what i'd see on a full rewatch,

 

[Rob0729]

40 seconds? he was in the shot gun, and he was watching guys run right at him. did nothing. thats poor pocket awareness on his part.

it happens over and over. and thats just from the Highlights video. God knows what i'd see on a full rewatch,

Three defenders had a jailbreak on him. You had a LB blitz where LB wasn't touched coming up the middle and both tackles lost their blocks. He had nowhere to run to and I don't think anyone was open. What was he supposed to do? That isn't on him.

You clearly do not know what pocket awareness is.

 

[Pape]

Washington didn't want to give him a long term deal because they didn't want to give him money and not be able to sign other players. If they thought he was a franchise QB to build around for the long term, they would have.

BTW, the article below is quotes about this after they gave him the first franchise tag.

GM explains why the Redskins didn't sign Kirk Cousins to a long-term contract

Scot McCloughan doesn't want to sacrifice a bunch of players for one QB

www.cbssports.com

GM double-speak right there, I know that, You know that. They were unwilling to meet the contract demands of the Cousins, they tagged him. Then they did it all over again the next year. That alone belies everything Scott McCloughan said in that article. The cost of third year tagging a player? 144% of the second tag value ... Thats when the "let him walk"

 

[Rob0729]

GM double-speak right there, I know that, You know that. They were unwilling to meet the contract demands of the Cousins, they tagged him. Then they did it all over again the next year. That alone belies everything Scott McCloughan said in that article. The cost of third year tagging a player? 144% of the second tag value ... Thats when the "let him walk"

So another thing you are trying to push your feelings as facts. Where is your proof they just didn't want to give him guaranteed money?

Back the national talk was whether the Redskins should sign Cousins or tag him or just let him walk.

 

[Ian]

The NFL is QB driven league.

It's nothing but a pipe dream to claim that the Pats had the best offensive line talent when Brady was QB. Players like Solder left NE and failed. The QB makes or breaks the OL.

2023 will be the season to blame the OL as the reason why Corky struggles and loses.

Brady never had the inside pressure consistently they’re seeing now, save for the-game-we-don’t-talk-about. They’ve always had that part relatively under control.

Having guys come in off the edge is one thing. You can overcome that. But having them come up the middle is another and that’s been Brady’s kryptonite. That’s well-documented and there’s been a surprising amount of that through two games, especially Sunday night.

 

[Pape]

Three defenders had a jailbreak on him. You had a LB blitz where LB wasn't touched coming up the middle and both tackles lost their blocks. That isn't on him.

BS that wasn't on him. He was in the shot gun. and should have seen what was going on in front of him. and he eats a sack in stead of throwing it away.

You clearly do not know what pocket awareness is.

lol, ok... not.

 

[Rob0729]

BS that wasn't on him. He was in the shot gun. and should have seen what was going on in front of him. and he eats a sack in stead of throwing it away.

lol, ok... not.

LOL! You saying he was in the shotgun doesn't change your complete ignorance of what pocket awareness is or just your complete bias against Mac Jones. Sorry but every pocket QB in that situation would have taken the sack. If you just throw it away with three guys barreling down on you right after the sack, you risk throwing an INT. In this situation, you protect the ball and live to fight another day. Mac did the right thing there.

 

[Pape]

So another thing you are trying to push your feelings as facts. Where is your proof they just didn't want to give him guaranteed money?

Back the national talk was whether the Redskins should sign Cousins or tag him or just let him walk.

dude stop. Im not pushing anything. Its what happened. It was all about the guaranteed money.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2018/03/13/kirk-cousins-in-washington-a-timeline-from-awkward-start-to-lucrative-departure/