Updated Patriot Coaches and titles

[Dingleberry]

I think for that statement to be true, you'd have to discount all of the reports that came out that suggested he could not shut the **** up, pipe down, and get a grip on his attitude. Which has been a reputation following him since like, day 1 of being on the Giants IIRC.

If he was this menace that is being described, it is odd that Bill named him Asst HC and gave Patricia the boot.

And I do mostly discount reports from a large percentage of sports journalists.

 

[turkeyneck]

How was he able to be a successful Special Teams coach? Didn't we all think he was good?

Yes, the ST were good when he was ST coach. Does that make him a good coach or just a guy who was in the right place at the right time? I don't know. But his track record since that gig has been one of unmitigated fail with whispers of bad blood. Seems like his ego got too big for his skills after he rose above ST coach.

 

[Real fan 02]

Judge is listed among the defensive coaches and not special teams. Let’s hope Belichick isn’t going to allow him to screw up the defense this year after playing a big role in screwing up the offense last year.

Still waiting for Mayos official title...

 

[PatsFan2]

Accord is ST coordinator

Tell Cam Accord I have V6 Accord ready to drive him out of town. How does he still have a Job??

 

[Thunderhead]

Officially naming Judge Assistant HC feels like a pure act of defiance from Belichick. Doubling down on what is universally agreed to be a massive misstep last year. Bill might have actually lost it.

 

[Thunderhead]

Still waiting for Mayos official title...

 

[Steve102]

If Mac's abysmal season can be written off due to the joke at OC (and there is merit to this, of course), why couldn't Judge's performance as QB coach be excused as well?

What QB coach was going to overcome the lack of a real OC? If Mac gets a pass, so does Judge.

You know, that's an interesting take.

 

[Sciz]

There’s not really any news here. We know that Judge is working with STs and doing some administrative stuff where HC experience is helpful (like the owners meeting in March). Mayo’s role during the season will probably be basically the same, but he’ll be more involved against next offseason.

 

[Dingleberry]

You know, that's an interesting take.

I am not a Judge lover either. Bottom line is that Bill kicked Patricia to the curb and named Judge Asst HC.

I am fine with giving Mac a pass for 2022 due to not having a true OC. For consistency purposes, Judge should be afforded the same courtesy. But since Mac is a 1st round QB we are all hoping pans out, it is easy to dismiss what our lying eyes saw last year.

If Judge was pissy last year, maybe he was frustrated with Patricia's incompetence? Maybe he is an overall dink like Bill, and the media is not going to do him any favors. So they report hearsay about his demeanor, whatever the **** that means.

Just looking for consistency on Operation: Blame Fat Matt

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

I am hoping it's this ^. He's in charge of important stuff like Mideast policy, nuclear disarmament, as well as daily tasks of coffee ***** and assigning who is in charge of GD snacks. Maybe the lunch menu. Otherwise, sit down and STFU. Don't talk to players, at all.

Agreed, I have to believe J. Mayo signed of on this before agreeing to his contract. Same as Coach Klemm, etc. I don't see this as any type of nepotism, but a cautious rewording of position titles. As far as Judge goes, I haven't checked his contract with the Giants, but is it possible that he kept him, gave him a do nothing job, let the Giants pay for it, rather than pay to get rid of him type of deal?

 

[Rob0729]

If Mac's abysmal season can be written off due to the joke at OC (and there is merit to this, of course), why couldn't Judge's performance as QB coach be excused as well?

What QB coach was going to overcome the lack of a real OC? If Mac gets a pass, so does Judge.

Let’s see how Judge does this year as a QB coach and we can revisit this question. Oops! He was removed from that position. I wonder why.

The Andrew Callahan article this off-season painted a picture that Judge was a bigger problem with this offense than Patricia. He consistently believed he was the smartest person in the room and advising players to do things that were absolutely wrong. Not just QBs. But other positions too.

From the reporting, players respected Judge less than Patricia. Patricia’s inability to call an offense didn’t cause Judge to know less about the position he was coaching than his players. And Patricia not calling a capable offense didn’t have Judge doling our advice on this he knew little about.

Fact is that if Belichick thought Judge was a good QB coach held back by Patricia, he would still be coaching offense.

And when Judge coached the WRs in 2019, Edelman called him out for being clueless too.

 

[Sicilian]

Titles on the Patriots coaching staff are not worth the paper they're printed on. What matters is what the person is doing on a daily basis, and the only thing we've seen Judge do so far is work heavily with the ST in some capacity during OTAs. He's probably doing other stuff behind the scenes, but that's all we can see for the moment. Getting riled up on something as nebulous as "Asst HC" is a waste of energy, IMO.

 

[Steve102]

Agreed, I have to believe J. Mayo signed of on this before agreeing to his contract. Same as Coach Klemm, etc. I don't see this as any type of nepotism, but a cautious rewording of position titles. As far as Judge goes, I haven't checked his contract with the Giants, but is it possible that he kept him, gave him a do nothing job, let the Giants pay for it, rather than pay to get rid of him type of deal?

CBS news:

Judge's contract with New York ran through the 2024 season, meaning the Giants will be paying the majority of Judge's salary in 2023 and 2024, if Judge remains in New England for that season as well.

I think there's a real possibility to that. Obviously, the guy knows football. Bill gets a football mind for pennies on the dollar.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Titles on the Patriots coaching staff are not worth the paper they're printed on. What matters is what the person is doing on a daily basis, and the only thing we've seen Judge do so far is work heavily with the ST in some capacity during OTAs. He's probably doing other stuff behind the scenes, but that's all we can see for the moment. Getting riled up on something as nebulous as "Asst HC" is a waste of energy, IMO.

Exactly. For instance there is no way Mayo is just a linebackers coach.

I guarantee he has his hands in a lot of different aspects of the program.

 

[Sicilian]

Exactly. For instance there is no way Mayo is just a linebackers coach.

I guarantee he has his hands in a lot of different aspects of the program.

For sure. Case in point, they had him sitting in on the OC interviews. There are very few DC's that would be doing that, never mind just LB coaches. Mayo's role is clearly more broad than his title would suggest.

 

[Dingleberry]

Let’s see how Judge does this year as a QB coach and we can revisit this question. Oops! He was removed from that position. I wonder why.

Your curiosity should also why he was promoted to Asst HC then. He was regarded as a very good ST coach. Your original implication was that because he sucked on offense, he might **** up the defense now. Given Patricia was the real problem last year, I simply choose to give Judge the same courtesy we are giving Mac.

The Andrew Callahan article this off-season painted a picture that Judge was a bigger problem with this offense than Patricia. He consistently believed he was the smartest person in the room and advising players to do things that were absolutely wrong. Not just QBs. But other positions too.

Well, if Andrew Callahan said it, I stand corrected. Judge is a dink like BB but without the resume'. Nobody in the media is going to do him any favors.

From the reporting, players respected Judge less than Patricia. Patricia’s inability to call an offense didn’t cause Judge to know less about the position he was coaching than his players. And Patricia not calling a capable offense didn’t have Judge doling our advice on this he knew little about.

Fact is that if Belichick thought Judge was a good QB coach held back by Patricia, he would still be coaching offense.

That's an opinion. The fact is that an excellent OC and QB coach was just brought in.

And when Judge coached the WRs in 2019, Edelman called him out for being clueless too.

I tend to agree that Judge should not be coaching an offense. However, it is pretty obvious Patricia held back everyone last year. This is the first time I can ever recall a QB coach getting blame for an entire offense. It's quite a leap to imply he is an idiot who will screw up whatever he touches now. Kind of a lazy, but easy (popular) target.

 

[Rob0729]

Your curiosity should also why he was promoted to Asst HC then. He was regarded as a very good ST coach. Your original implication was that because he sucked on offense, he might **** up the defense now. Given Patricia was the real problem last year, I simply choose to give Judge the same courtesy we are giving Mac.

Well, if Andrew Callahan said it, I stand corrected. Judge is a dink like BB but without the resume'. Nobody in the media is going to do him any favors.

That's an opinion. The fact is that an excellent OC and QB coach was just brought in.


I tend to agree that Judge should not be coaching an offense. However, it is pretty obvious Patricia held back everyone last year. This is the first time I can ever recall a QB coach getting blame for an entire offense. It's quite a leap to imply he is an idiot who will screw up whatever he touches now. Kind of a lazy, but easy (popular) target.

Word is Judge is going to have a position where he is floating between the front office and coaching. It is probably because he doesn't have a position title.

Judge wasn't a player that is why he doesn't get a free pass. He was a coach. Patricia's problem was affecting the results on the playing field not the practice field. In fact, Patricia made it easier on Judge because he took away audibles and presnap adjustments from Jones. Possibly because Judge couldn't understand the concepts. So that was one less thing that Judge had to coach and one of the harder things a QB coach has to coach. But working with a player on his mechanics and timing has nothing to do with how the plays are called on Sunday.

If Judge was a player, he would get a free pass. As a coach he doesn't. I don't give Troy Brown a free pass either for how poorly the WRs were coached last year either.

And Callahan is reporting from inside sources. Could some of them have grudges? Sure. But others from Bedard to Zolak all backed up Callahan's reporting on Judge that they have heard the same things.

I don't think everything was Patricia. I have said that Jones deserves a share of the blame for the offense last year especially during his temper tantrum phase mid to later in the season. Jones doesn't get a complete free pass.

And word was players had issues with Judge in 2019 when he coached WRs when McDaniels was still here. That was a horrible year for the Pats' WRs. You cannot blame Patricia for that. So there is a trend.

I would point out how putrid the Giants' offense was when he was head coach, but I don't think a head coach has as much effect on one side of the ball like that unless they are a Belichick with the defense or Andy Reid with the offense. But those coaches are more of a rarity. He gets the blame as head coach, but it is different than the blame heaped on the OC and position coaches.

 

[Thunderhead]

People brushing off Judge being named Assistant HC would surely have the same non-reaction if Mayo was instead given that position, right?

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

CBS news:


I think there's a real possibility to that. Obviously, the guy knows football. Bill gets a football mind for pennies on the dollar.

Thanks for finding that, let's hope the Giants are paying top dollar for a guy that's paid to STFU.

 

[Sicilian]

People brushing off Judge being named Assistant HC would surely have the same non-reaction if Mayo was instead given that position, right?

In the context of Mayo, we have lots of other corroborating evidence that he is on a promotion track: Sitting in on OC interviews, a dedicated press release for his retention, etc. We have none of that for Judge. But yes, if you look at things without any nuance, you'll find a lot of perceived hypocrisy that isn't actually there.