OT: Eagles Hire Matt Patricia

[Sicilian]

I'm mostly basing it on that cringey display at the end of the Baltimore game. But regarding the open field tackle, it's not the technique (although that was bad too), but the effort. The epitome of weak.

There's not a QB in the league that doesn't have some really embarrassing clips of attempted "tackle" efforts, including a very prominent one who you might be thinking of right now (and no serious person would ever accuse him of being soft).

 

[Ian]

I'm mostly basing it on that cringey display at the end of the Baltimore game. But regarding the open field tackle, it's not the technique (although that was bad too), but the effort. The epitome of weak.

I'd say that had Jones made that tackle and suffered a separated shoulder/broken collarbone, we'd be mad he was even in that position. At the same time, people here would have been celebrating the injury ... so it sort of shows you how ridiculous this argument even is to begin with.

At the end of the day, Jones was stiff-armed by a guy with a ridiculous reach and tremendously strong, which prevented him from even having a chance to get his arms around him. Not to mention that Jones has never backed away from contact, including going in and pushing the pile, making a block, etc. He was simply well-overmatched in that moment by a guy who matches up against players almost double Jones's weight every week.

Needless to say, the fact you're even still saying this is beyond frustrating. But I digress.

 

[Ian]

I have a problem with how Mac hysterically hopped off the field after spraining his ankle. And all of high-pitched screaming as he was being carried into the tunnel. Really bad look for an NFL player.

The guy clearly thought he had broken his ankle and thought his season was over. Which given the amount of work he put in last offseason, I'm pretty sure that likely had more to do with his reaction in that moment than Jones being "soft." This is the same guy that took a shot that knocked out one of his teeth during a match-up in college and got back up and finished off the drive with a touchdown and played the rest of the game. The kid is anything but soft.

 

[Vindicate]

It's interesting how a thread about Matt Patricia got dragged into a Zappe vs. Mac discussion. By the same people as usual, nonetheless.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I have a problem with how Mac hysterically hopped off the field after spraining his ankle. And all of high-pitched screaming as he was being carried into the tunnel. Really bad look for an NFL player. I also think it's preposterous when anyone suggests he's tough. Especially after episode #2 which was getting literally runover by Chandler Jones. One of the weakest efforts I've ever seen on a football field. Didn't slow down Chandler even a smidgeon. It was embarrassing. Oh, and he's not very good at playing quarterback either.

His squealing after a high ankle sprain is the least of my concerns nor is getting run over by a 255lb DE.

Was that the reason? He's so useless (on the field) that I didn't even think twice about it. If the team cleaned house on everyone who had a problem with the coaching last year then there might be no one left.

Supposedly he also reached out to Josh and undermined Fat Matt during a game by running a play which wasn't called.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What do you mean by arm strength? Being able to fit it tight spaces? Based on my previous analysis, Mac and Zappe have extremely similar ceilings as far as air yards are concerned (low 60yds), so to me that tells me they have similar arm strengths. Kindof reminds me of Brady early on for both. When Bledsoe came in during the Steelers AFC game and threw ropes (low trajectory throws for distance), I remember thinking oh yeah, that's what a cannon looks like.

Mac has a stronger arm than Zappe and Mac is also a better QB.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yep! Hoyer is an alpha a vested veteran in the league with a ton of experience and been at other stops. So him knowing the offense inside and out.. was showing up BBs boys.. very funny coincidence harris, Myers, Jonnu, some of Mac's biggest supporters last season are all gone from the team all be it different reasons.. Hoyer singing with LV is also telling.

Strange indeed.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I like how people are getting on Mac for yelling on the sidelines when frustrated like every single QB in the league (including Brady) has done at one point or another.

Yelling at coaches on the sidelines is one thing.

Yelling at coaches/waiving them off while on the field is another.

 

[Ian]

Yelling at coaches on the sidelines is one thing.

Yelling at coaches/waiving them off while on the field is another.

I was rewatching a few games the other night and he actually sort of showed a moment of exasperation following a timeout by the team in 2021, where McDaniels obviously had seen something he didn't like. Jones said something as he came over to the sidelines and McDaniels had his arms folded and said something back to him and Mac's reaction immediately changed and he kind of had that, "yeah, I see what you're saying" thing going on. That was clearly the difference that year. Whatever it was Josh told him made sense and he understood it. Obviously, that sort of relationship/trust didn't exist with he and Patricia.

 

[Vindicate]

I was rewatching a few games the other night and he actually sort of showed a moment of exasperation following a timeout by the team, where McDaniels obviously had something he didn't like. Jones said something as he came over to the sidelines and McDaniels had his arms folded and said something back to him and Mac's reaction immediately changed and he kind of had that, "yeah, I see what you're saying" thing going on. That was clearly the difference that year. Whatever it was Josh told him made sense and he understood it. Obviously, that sort of relationship/trust didn't exist with he and Patricia.

Furthermore, there was just more success on McDaniels sideline than Patricia's. I think it's important to remember that all professional athletes are on a different emotional scale than us and often "hate losing more than the love to win" - if a player is going through hell, they're gonna pop off.

Players assault family members, get into fights on the field, etc. all the time - in the scope of professional sports, it's really hard to judge much with these on-field emotional outbursts.

 

[crawhammer]

While him getting ran over like a little kid by Jones was a bad look, not enough blame goes to the former WR that was 20 yards downfield, runs backwards with a lateral and throws back to Jones. What did he expect Jones to do with it with nobody near him?

Try not being a doormat to the end zone for Chandler.

There's not a QB in the league that doesn't have some really embarrassing clips of attempted "tackle" efforts, including a very prominent one who you might be thinking of right now (and no serious person would ever accuse him of being soft).

Brady? I don't recall Brady ever getting completely flattened like that. I think we knew Brady wasn't soft after 2001 and SB 36.

Mac gets the soft label from me at this point. I'll have to see otherwise to change my mind.

His squealing after a high ankle sprain is the least of my concerns nor is getting run over by a 255lb DE.

I guess we'll just have to differ on this one. At this point I consider it a problem. Mac being (potentially) soft.

Supposedly he also reached out to Josh and undermined Fat Matt during a game by running a play which wasn't called.

Reaching out to Josh in the midst of a season isn't cool but what's wrong with any QB changing a play? Seems like that's part of Hoyer's job.

I'd say that had Jones made that tackle and suffered a separated shoulder/broken collarbone, we'd be mad he was even in that position. At the same time, people here would have been celebrating the injury ... so it sort of shows you how ridiculous this argument even is to begin with.

I'm already mad that he was in that position because 1) the play never should have been called from the sideline and 2) any lateralling on that play was Stupid.

I don't celebrate player injuries. On occasion, depending on who it may be, I might not care. On this particular play, which was determining the outcome of the game, Mac has got to make a better effort/play. I didn't like what I saw there at all.

At the end of the day, Jones was stiff-armed by a guy with a ridiculous reach and tremendously strong, which prevented him from even having a chance to get his arms around him. Not to mention that Jones has never backed away from contact, including going in and pushing the pile, making a block, etc. He was simply well-overmatched in that moment by a guy who matches up against players almost double Jones's weight every week.

Mac looked like he cowered on the play.

Needless to say, the fact you're even still saying this is beyond frustrating.

Sorry, I'm not trying to frustrate anyone. Just offering my observations and opinion.

The guy clearly thought he had broken his ankle and thought his season was over. Which given the amount of work he put in last offseason, I'm pretty sure that likely had more to do with his reaction in that moment than Jones being "soft." This is the same guy that took a shot that knocked out one of his teeth during a match-up in college and got back up and finished off the drive with a touchdown and played the rest of the game. The kid is anything but soft.

We'll see. Hopefully I'm wrong about him being soft and mediocre. Honestly I thought his season was over too because of how he (over)reacted. I've never seen a professional athlete hysterically hop off the field like that. I don't ever recall an NFL player crying out in apparent agony over a high ankle sprain either. I know I'm not alone with this impression of Mac. But it's still early in his career, so if he sticks as a starter, then he'll have plenty of time to make up for it.

 

[Ian]

Mac looked like he cowered on the play.

He didn't cower, he tried to go low, and Jones pushed him down with his ridiculously long arms. Not that I want to relive that play, but it was already in the archive on here:



And I showed a screenshot at the time, there was no one close enough to make a play (Henry was the only guy with even a hint of speed that was closest, and he was still significantly far away - the closest guys I think were Andrews and Trent Brown, neither of which are speedy guys ), even in the event he had been able to kind of slow him down.

Sort of weird that we're still blaming him for that play, literally no chance for him to do anything, not against a guy significantly bigger and stronger than he was, unfortunately. I agree with someone else that had Brady been involved, we wouldn't be ridiculing him and instead would have just been thankful he escaped without injury.

 

[TheRainMaker]

He didn't cower, he tried to go low, and Jones pushed him down with his ridiculously long arms. Not that I want to relive that play, but it was already in the archive on here:



And I showed a screenshot at the time, there was no one close enough to make a play (Henry was the only guy with even a hint of speed that was closest, and he was still significantly far away - the closest guys I think were Andrews and Trent Brown, neither of which are speedy guys ), even in the event he had been able to kind of slow him down.

Sort of weird that we're still blaming him for that play, literally no chance for him to do anything, not against a guy significantly bigger and stronger than he was, unfortunately. I agree with someone else that had Brady been involved, we wouldn't be ridiculing him and instead would have just been thankful he escaped without injury.

Mac was too reactionary on that play. He had time to realize the pass wasn't going to make it and could've taken out Chandler's legs.

But again, Meyers throwing it back to a QB with no one to lateral it to was idiotic.

 

[Ian]

Mac was too reactionary on that play. He had time to realize the pass wasn't going to make it and could've taken out Chandler's legs.

But again, Meyers throwing it back to a QB with no one to lateral it to was idiotic.

That would have been tough. The ball was already in Chandler's hands with Mac still several yards away. Mac could have dove - but Chandler might have just hurdled him. Either way, I guess my only point is that Jones shouldn't still be being blamed for that game. Not much else he could have done there.

 

[crawhammer]

That would have been tough. The ball was already in Chandler's hands with Mac still several yards away. Mac could have dove - but Chandler might have just hurdled him. Either way, I guess my only point is that Jones shouldn't still be being blamed for that game. Not much else he could have done there.

When you watch that unfortunate replay, does it cross your mind that Mac looks like a tough player?

When we want to draw on an example of grit, fortitude, and determination... I don't think this will be the prime example.

 

[Ian]

When you watch that unfortunate replay, does it cross your mind that Mac looks like a tough player?

When we want to draw on an example of grit, fortitude, and determination... I don't think this will be the prime example.

The point was it didn’t happen the way you described it. He squared him up, tried to go low, and got overpowered. Again, you’re talking about a 210lb QB going up against a defensive end who battles against 300+ pound linemen. It’s a significant mismatch. Does Brady overpower Chandler and stop him? I’d have to say, I doubt it.

 

[crawhammer]

Had I been doing play-by-play then it would have sounded something like this:

Not going to kneel down? Well this is incredibly stupid. Let's hope we're not having flashbacks to the Miami Miracle. Handoff to Stevenson, he looks like he actually thinks he can make something happen here. Some feeble tackling by the Raiders. Stevenson laterals to Meyers as he's surrounded by defenders. Holy ****! Meyers is running the wrong ****ing way! What the **** is Matt Patricia doing there?!? Looks like he's clapping and celebrating as now Meyers laterals even further back downfield in what has turned into comedy night at The Improv for the Patriots... caught by Chandler Jones who turns and oh my God runs right over Mac Jones who laid down like a doormat to the end zone... Chandler crosses the goal line, Raiders win! What a complete disaster for Belichick's Patriots as the game and probably their season has gone down the drain with one of the most inept all round plays you'll ever see!

 

[Real fan 02]

Yelling at coaches on the sidelines is one thing.

Yelling at coaches/waiving them off while on the field is another.

At that point in the season.. imagine what had to be going through Mac's head.. Mac and BB both have something to prove this season..Mac to show he is the franchise qb and BB to show he can win post brady..

 

[TheRainMaker]

Had I been doing play-by-play then it would have sounded something like this:

Not going to kneel down? Well this is incredibly stupid. Let's hope we're not having flashbacks to the Miami Miracle. Handoff to Stevenson, he looks like he actually thinks he can make something happen here. Some feeble tackling by the Raiders. Stevenson laterals to Meyers as he's surrounded by defenders. Holy ****! Meyers is running the wrong ****ing way! What the **** is Matt Patricia doing there?!? Looks like he's clapping and celebrating as now Meyers laterals even further back downfield in what has turned into comedy night at The Improv for the Patriots... caught by Chandler Jones who turns and oh my God runs right over Mac Jones who laid down like a doormat to the end zone... Chandler crosses the goal line, Raiders win! What a complete disaster for Belichick's Patriots as the game and probably their season has gone down the drain with one of the most inept all round plays you'll ever see!

 

[Ian]

Chandler Jones who turns and oh my God runs right over Mac Jones who laid down like a doormat to the end zone...

Again, that's not what happened - Chandler's ridiculous arm length and strength didn't let Mac get close to him:


And literally no one around for miles had Jones even slowed him down:



And I was wrong about Trent Brown, only guy close was Onwenu.

This is such a weird thing that you still hold against the kid when Brady wouldn't have been able to stop Chandler Jones, either.