BOB 'Completely Reworking' Pats Offense

[Toofy]

It’s great to have that opinion, but they also pointed out that his offenses have been mediocre, which is factual.

At this point anybody with an OC resume is superior. Bob is too .. remember we had Patricia last season. Remember thatttttt....

 

[Ross12]

BOB interview. Kinda runs counter to some recent reports. A reporter asked if BOB came back here specifically because he wants to work with Mac and he said no, and listed other reasons - great organization, owner, head coach, from the area, etc. Throughout the interview, really refused to discuss Mac in any meaningful capacity at all.

 

[All3Phases]

At this point anybody with an OC resume is superior. Bob is too .. remember we had Patricia last season. Remember thatttttt....

I agree with that, I’ve said the hire made perfect sense…I am just tempering the expectation that he’s going to turn this into a dynamic offense

 

[n1997y]

I agree with that, I’ve said the hire made perfect sense…I am just tempering the expectation that he’s going to turn this into a dynamic offense

After last year even a pedestrian offense would look dynamic. So why not just admit you’re being a wet blanket. As usual.

 

[n1997y]

BOB interview. Kinda runs counter to some recent reports. A reporter asked if BOB came back here specifically because he wants to work with Mac and he said no, and listed other reasons - great organization, owner, head coach, from the area, etc. Throughout the interview, really refused to discuss Mac in any meaningful capacity at all.

He certainly dodged the question about Mac right at the outset. Set the tone well. Did not discuss any players at all, completely focused on “this is a fresh start” and how they’re just starting to work with the players.

 

[varjao]

You usually bring something that was already in place, reutilize and redo something.

If this is a clean slate than just confirms how ****ty the Pats offense was last year..

I'm excited, I'm jacked to the tits to watch some decent offensive operation this year.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Bill did NOT try the MP/JJ experiment and THEN hired BOB. Bill O'Brien was ALWAYS going to be the OC in 2023. What happened in 2022 was merely a holding action that simply didn't work out. Blame Bill for ALL the offensive failures of last year. He deserves it. He hoped that MP/JJ could adequately fill that gap with a relatively competent result. DIDN'T happen!

Oh, Ken. I know what a loyal Pats fan you are and how much you care, but however often you post this it doesn't make it true.

You weren't inside the building and nor was I. But ask yourself this.

If Patricia and Judge were a temporary stopgap and the plan was to hire BOB the next year, why would they try to alter the offense so radically? (Also: was the process of interviewing for OC just a sham?)

 

[Bill Lee]

If Patricia and Judge were a temporary stopgap and the plan was to hire BOB the next year, why would they try to alter the offense so radically? (Also: was the process of interviewing for OC just a sham?)

I'm not seeing the linkage. Maybe it's coming from the word stopgap? In any case, I could see MP agreeing to take the job as a stopgap but under the terms/conditions he gets to have a go at incorporating the Shanahan offense, or BB selling him on the job as a great opportunity to not just get experience as OC but also to try new/something original like merging the Shanahan offensive concepts into the EP system. It all failed miserably, but I don't see it as a requirement for a short term hire to just keep things unchanged. In fact it might be a "feature", along the lines of "hey, we know we're doing something different next season but this season you are free to try out new things, we might learn something from that"...

 

[Ross12]

He certainly dodged the question about Mac right at the outset. Set the tone well. Did not discuss any players at all, completely focused on “this is a fresh start” and how they’re just starting to work with the players.

Yeah he really refused to talk about Mac, except for the one question that asked about how much his pre-existing relationship with Mac helps, just for his answer to basically be “there isn’t one, barely know the guy. I met him once.”

I have to think this throws a little cold water on the “BOB came to New England because he loves Mac Jones” storyline.

 

[Mike the Brit]

I'm not seeing the linkage. Maybe it's coming from the word stopgap? In any case, I could see MP agreeing to take the job as a stopgap but under the terms/conditions he gets to have a go at incorporating the Shanahan offense, or BB selling him on the job as a great opportunity to not just get experience as OC but also to try new/something original like merging the Shanahan offensive concepts into the EP system. It all failed miserably, but I don't see it as a requirement for a short term hire to just keep things unchanged. In fact it might be a "feature", along the lines of "hey, we know we're doing something different next season but this season you are free to try out new things, we might learn something from that"...

That's not logically impossible, but to me really implausible. In any organization, if you're going to have a big re-organization it's going to come with costs so it's best to put it in the hands of someone with experience, not a novice, and with the idea that you're doing it for the long term. Smart managers don't go through the adjustment costs of a re-organization with the foreknowledge that it's likely to get thrown away in a year anyway.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I have to think this throws a little cold water on the “BOB came to New England because he loves Mac Jones” storyline.

I think we can agree he threw a lot of cold water on that narrative. Also not a lot of Mac love. Makes you wonder.

 

[Sect140]

Bill did NOT try the MP/JJ experiment and THEN hired BOB. Bill O'Brien was ALWAYS going to be the OC in 2023. What happened in 2022 was merely a holding action that simply didn't work out. Blame Bill for ALL the offensive failures of last year. He deserves it. He hoped that MP/JJ could adequately fill that gap with a relatively competent result. DIDN'T happen!

And he moved on as we all should at this point. Do you think that over the last 20 odd years he hasn't tried and failed at other things that....didn't work out. There were probably DOZENS of them....albeit none as public and obvious as this one. One of the keys to his longevity and success over the years was he has ALWAYS viewed each year as a COMPLETELY separate entity.

BTW- Maybe its time we took a moment to realize that as ****ed up and disappointing as it seemed to us, it wasn't like this was like some of the 2-14 type teams we used to see every couple of years PRIOR to Bill. This was a team that was one win away from a playoff berth. The offense sucked, but there were about 10 other teams whose offenses were WORSE (based on what site you went to) in fact they came in at 16th in scoring (which is ultimately what's important on offense. So this wasn't exactly the worst offense in NFL history, like so many seem to think based on their posts.

What it actually was, was a clear disappointment based on our EXPECTATIONS that were based on what we saw in 2021. A year we had the best of the 5 rookie QB's in the draft....by far. And had an 800 yd WR who had only played a third of the offensive snap (Bourne) We had a decent OL which looked pretty good for a while with Wynn at LT and Brown at right. I think it was Wynn's best season as a Patriot and not surprisingly the only year he suited up all 16 game (15 starts). Add the expected second year jump from our rookie QB who threw for around 3800yd his rookie season throwing to a real patchwork group of WR's.

Maybe almost a WORSE decision, imho, as the one to have the MP/JJ experiment, was switching Wynn and Brown. I can understand the logic behind it, but the end result was a disaster. Wynn didn't work out at all and then got hurt....again. And Brown, who wasn't bad, didn't seem to have as good as year as the year before with WAY to many penalties. Bourne for some reason, never became the impact player I expected, and really ended up a non-factor. Andrews missing 3 games in the middle of the season.

NO ONE expected a regression from Mac, a disappearance of Bourne, Smith, and to some effect Henry, a middling often injured OL, where only the RB's seemed to have consistent success. But that is what we got. We THINK we know the reasons since we've discussed them ad nauseum for the better part of the last FIVE months

I guess this was a short point made long by me (as usual) to say THIS. The time to ***** and moan about the bad things that happened LAST year is over. This is really a new slate. The 2023 team has yet to come into focus and won't for a long while. The next several months SHOULD be spent talking about new additions, comparing ourselves to other teams. Deciding who won the "woodie johnson trophy" for winning the paper off season. (also known as "the Joker".) That's always good fun passing the time, etc. AND the draft. I really want to know that if you have Joey Porter, JSN and Bryce Bresee sitting there at 14 what do you do. Where do you stand on the DT from Pittsburgh. etc, etc,

But this will be the last time, I'm going to bother to post about LAST season's issues and problems. Troll all you want. I'm done.

I would be surprised if BOB would agree to this because what if an NFL team or a college team offers him the head coaching job? I know once he gave Bill his word he would honor it, which is why I’m skeptical of it.

 

[All3Phases]

After last year even a pedestrian offense would look dynamic. So why not just admit you’re being a wet blanket. As usual.

Not sure I understand this comment

 

[moosekill]

I think we can agree he threw a lot of cold water on that narrative. Also not a lot of Mac love. Makes you wonder.

Well it keeps coming back to the question. Is Mac the chosen one. If they think he is, they certainly think he needs some tough love. Or perhaps he really is in a fight for his job and both he and Zappe have to fight to the death.

 

[Ross12]

I think we can agree he threw a lot of cold water on that narrative. Also not a lot of Mac love. Makes you wonder.

Yeah it was really… just blank. Kind of starting to wonder again if there’s a chance he gets traded between now and draft night.

 

[Tunescribe]

Not sure I understand this comment

In other words, this is what you see in the mirror:

 

[VJCPatriot]

Well clearly we disagree, and here's where I think you are are off track. It's the view that the Pats had a radically NEW offensive system compared to past years and that fact PROVES that MP/JJ were intended to be here to stay. I KNOW that the language remained the same, just like it has the last 24 years. I know I saw a lot of very familiar plays and route combinations. Was it "different", sure it was, but offenses change and evolve EVERY year, even under a vet OC. I don't see how this proves he was installed as a long term fix.

Sounds like a LOT of COPIUM and mental gymnastics to justify BB's FAILED experiment. It flamed out so BADLY that even BB had to admit he was wrong and hire BOB.

I think the very fact that they DIDN'T go with Nick Calley is one of the reasons I felt that MP was a place holder. The "reports" that he turned down a chance to be the play caller, shows that HE knew that it was a one year gig and he wouldn't be likely to be calling the plays in 2023. Calley has ambitions for higher positions. He wasn't going to get it here and he left for a parallel position. But I don't disagree. Calley could have been a better one year replacement. But we don't know if he would have accepted it as a one year gig. His not wanting to be the play caller (if that report was true) makes me believe that he wouldn't have taken the job. He knew that BOB was on the way.

BB was giving the job to his reliable YES-Man in Patricia and Joe Judge and passing over the logical 'successor' candidate. This means that if you KISS his butt the right way, you'll have a job in New England. Nothing else makes sense for the MP/JJ hires.

Caley got SICK of getting passed over despite putting in his dues and left for the LA Rams where maybe he has a chance of earning a promotion based on his merits rather than how well he strokes BB's ego.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yeah it was really… just blank. Kind of starting to wonder again if there’s a chance he gets traded between now and draft night.

Yeah it was so void of Mac that you have to wonder. Either the team is moving on, or they are sending a message that Mac needs to be a team player. Not sure what else to make of it.

He talked about Adrian Klem a lot. Haha

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Well it keeps coming back to the question. Is Mac the chosen one. If they think he is, they certainly think he needs some tough love. Or perhaps he really is in a fight for his job and both he and Zappe have to fight to the death.

Maybe it is the Zappe competition thing. Or they are moving on. Or Mac needs to grow up and be a team player. I am not sure what to make of it.

 

[Tunescribe]

Yeah it was so void of Mac that you have to wonder. Either the team is moving on, or they are sending a message that Mac needs to be a team player. Not sure what else to make of it.

He talked about Adrian Klem a lot. Haha

Maybe it is the Zappe competition thing. Or they are moving on. Or Mac needs to grow up and be a team player. I am not sure what to make of it.

I think it's exactly what BOB said: they're starting with a "clean slate," which means EVERYTHING is open. It actually makes sense IMO, as last season was such a mess offensively it offered no firm basis from which to adequately evaluate player performances or individual potential. In that respect it's understandable why Mac's name isn't mentioned in the context of starting QB: they will be two seasons removed from his promising rookie campaign and he'll have to win the job all over again.

Of course, it COULD be they've already decided to trade him and move on. But I think if you take BOB's words at face value, that's explanation enough for how they plan to proceed. At this stage I wouldn't look too hard for hidden meanings via omission.