Mayo negotiations + OC interviews next week

[PScottman]

associate or assistant coach

Associate Assistant Deputy Magisterial Executive Head Coach?

 

[PScottman]

Steve injects needed hilarity into the boring telecast

While I think meant as a zinger, there's some truth to it.

Ever since the late sixties/early seventies when color commentating really came into vogue and every single moment of a broadcast had to have people talking over the game in play, producers and directors have looked for ways to broaden the subject matter from just "football" into other "human interest" areas to try and bring in more "casual" fans.

It's also why they'll cut away to crowd shots, cheerleader shots, even nature and city shots during the bumpers, etc - to make the broadcast actually "broad"er in what they're covering.

Steve and his Soupy Sales, Jim Carrey, Martin Short facial expressionism approach to defensive play calling is just another cut away to generate discussion and or comment that isn't 100% football related.

 

[Real fan 02]

Linda’s Bust will be retired in Canton

Canton , Massachusetts? Lol

 

[Real fan 02]

Associate Assistant Deputy Magisterial Executive Head Coach?

Nice ring to it it!

 

[PScottman]

Nice ring to it it!

I think the preference would be "Super Bowl Rings" to it, but probably just pie in the sky wishful thinking.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

No. We are talking about a claim of how the defensive coaching was done.
A claim that people say was “right from mayos mouth”.

Curran’s “belief” of how he thought “Mayos camp” felt isn’t close to a breakdown from the coaches of what their responsibilities were.

It is potentially flawed by:
-was Curran told this “believe” or is he guessing
-who is an assistant coaches “camp”
-what does “did more of the coordinating mean”
-“did more of the coordinating” doesn’t mean Mayo coordinated the defense and Steve just called the plays, it is way vaguer than that.


I’m looking for confirmation of how they divided the jobs.
Curran’s “belief” isn’t that.
As far as the rest are you honestly saying “my belief is that the Mayo camp feels” is protecting a source? Mayo is Mayos camp. He didn’t quote Mayo, but attributed his feeling to what he thinks Mayo feels.

Ring. Lets be friends
Jesus, Mary and the other guy your overly analytic ways can get somewhat annoying
Take a gummy. Put on Dark Side of the Moon and think about that 28-3 comeback before you start typing

And when you said in your previous reply to me “I didn‘t ask to challenge you”. After all you previous and present replies to me I interpret that to be a fib

 

[Thelonious]

McDaniels bounced because it has been 4 years since he snubbed the Colts and would still have to wait at least another 2 years. He must have felt ready to move on.
Mayo can learn for the next 2-3 years so he can be better suited to take over a whole system. Probably going to be paid well. His family loves being in this area.
I love his demeanor. We will soon see how smart he teally is

Yep. One feature of the nation's burgeoning decadence is the vast over-emphasis, in hiring as elsewhere, on how "Nice" people are. Anybody who likes their doctor, for example, will tell you how "nice" he or she is. So what? Who cares? I certainly don't. Indeed, "niceness" has largely supplanted other, deeper, traditional virtues. Unless you are planning a d----d bridge party or some other pointless schmoozefest, niceness is irrelevant, or ought to be.

I'll stipulate that Mayo is a hale fellow well met and as nice as nice can be. Beyond that, particularly given BIll's asinine reluctance to be specific as to who does what, we don't know much, and Mayo's actual virtues, certainly as head coach, are largely unknown at this point.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I usually have a lot of patience. This year I was pulling my hair out.
Total failure on BB’s part. Still have confidence in him. He can just be so stubborn at times which cost us a few SB’s and a years development on Mac’s future. If he is the guy time will tell but at least that extra year would have given us a better guage

Mac fought through adversity this year and looked better at the end. Even though the season was a disappointment, I would be surprised if Mac does not feel good about himself (which is important with his overly emotional personality type). I do not think it was a wasted year at all, I think Mac grew up a lot and is on an upswing going into 2023, unlike coming into 2022.

 

[Real fan 02]

I usually have a lot of patience. This year I was pulling my hair out.
Total failure on BB’s part. Still have confidence in him. He can just be so stubborn at times which cost us a few SB’s and a years development on Mac’s future. If he is the guy time will tell but at least that extra year would have given us a better guage

I share the same sentiments, by far his worst coaching year, puzzling challenges, and non challenges, puzzling 4th down decisions... Sometimes it's good for a reset with the staff, as Great as BB the coach has been cronyism caught up with him this season, as you stated his stubborness is the reason we had to witness this pitiful offense. This season didn't have to go as it did!

Looking forward I want BB the great future HOF coach to regain his touch next season..

 

[crawhammer]

I'm not following this particular story that closely but Mayo reportedly declined an interview for Carolina's head coaching vacancy, is that correct? I don't get it. Why would he dismiss an opportunity like that?

The Patriots must be promising Mayo something big, like future HC. Didn't they jerk McDaniels around with that kind of nonsense?

Also, I have no interest a defensive minded first time HC. Sounds like a really bad idea. That he's a good former Patriots player doesn't make me feel any better about it.

 

[h0c2000]

I'm not following this particular story that closely but Mayo reportedly declined an interview for Carolina's head coaching vacancy, is that correct? I don't get it. Why would he dismiss an opportunity like that?

The Patriots must be promising Mayo something big, like future HC. Didn't they jerk McDaniels around with that kind of nonsense?

A couple of things come to mind, Mayo thinks carolina is leaning towards an offsensive coach. He also might have looked at the roster and said nope, can't win. To me the more likely scenario is that RKK backed up the Brinks truck.

 

[PScottman]

I don't get it. Why would he dismiss an opportunity like that?

Honestly, because he probably figured, like many of these, it was for show to comply with the rule. He also saw what happened to Flores where the team had already picked their guy and were just talking to Flores to be in compliance.

Additionally, in all honesty what is the track record of Patriots coaching staff jumping to HC? It's not good. That's historical precedent which he knows they know too furthering the "just interviewing him because..." rather than interviewing him for possible hire.

That's the most disgusting part here. Mayo MIGHT be the most qualified for the job, but now no one will ever know because the system put in place to try and elevate has instead created more chicanery and "box checking" than it has opportunity.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Mac fought through adversity this year and looked better at the end. Even though the season was a disappointment, I would be surprised if Mac does not feel good about himself (which is important with his overly emotional personality type). I do not think it was a wasted year at all, I think Mac grew up a lot and is on an upswing going into 2023, unlike coming into 2022.

I like the kid. I think he can be a very good QB.
As far as the emotional personality type. He needs to get much better at that. That is not Leadership. That is school girl hissy fits

 

[Thelonious]

If you knew what you were looking at you would know that the framework of the offense was exactly the same. The play calling and execution are not the framework of the offensive system.

Sort of. In the end, it certainly was. Early on, there was an effort at "simplying" and "modernizing" it. As it became evident that Matt and Joe lacked the knowledge and skill to teach or implement these changes, they gradually reverted to a dumbed-down version of the traditional Pats' O, but here too Matt and Joe proved not to be up to the job of making it work.

 

[crawhammer]

A couple of things come to mind, Mayo thinks carolina is leaning towards an offsensive coach. He also might have looked at the roster and said nope, can't win. To me the more likely scenario is that RKK backed up the Brinks truck.

You're onto something with the third idea.

If they asked Mayo for an interview then they're at least interested in him so he should at least pursue the interview and see what happens.

Carolina wasn't horrible by the end of the season. They were on the verge of winning that division until Brady stole it away from them in the 4th quarter. Most likely Brady's leaving Tampa Bay so Carolina very well could become the favorite, especially depending on how they upgrade at quarterback.

 

[Thelonious]

Bill will be 71 at start of this season and hasn't performed. That's the difference imo.

At the risk of alienating my geriatric brethren, I will have to say I agree with you.

I retired at 74. It was time.

 

[Ross12]

You're onto something with the third idea.

If they asked Mayo for an interview then they're at least interested in him so he should at least pursue the interview and see what happens.

Carolina wasn't horrible by the end of the season. They were on the verge of winning that division until Brady stole it away from them in the 4th quarter. Most likely Brady's leaving Tampa Bay so Carolina very well could become the favorite, especially depending on how they upgrade at quarterback.

Tampa's dead money and over-the-cap situation in 2023 is horrific, they're probably set for a big decline with that plus the loss of Brady. I don't see Atlanta making much of a jump. New Orleans could do something if they improve at QB, but yeah I feel like Carolina could definitely be in a good spot there if they improved at QB as well. When you're coming *this close* to winning the division with PJ Walker and Sam Darnold, an actually slightly above-average QB can take you places.

Edit: Lol I forgot New Orleans is the only team in worse shape cap-wise than Tampa. Those dudes are always in the doldrums these days with the cap.

 

[crawhammer]

Honestly, because he probably figured, like many of these, it was for show to comply with the rule. He also saw what happened to Flores where the team had already picked their guy and were just talking to Flores to be in compliance.

Additionally, in all honesty what is the track record of Patriots coaching staff jumping to HC? It's not good. That's historical precedent which he knows they know too furthering the "just interviewing him because..." rather than interviewing him for possible hire.

That's the most disgusting part here. Mayo MIGHT be the most qualified for the job, but now no one will ever know because the system put in place to try and elevate has instead created more chicanery and "box checking" than it has opportunity.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. However, Mayo should bank on himself as a legitimate head coaching candidate and see what happens. There's only 32 of these jobs on the planet.

 

[Thelonious]

Why would you assume he already hasn’t?

A hard question, given that in the end Bill's "opening up his world" to Josh turned out to mean virtually nothing. I suppose if you substitute equal terms, you could say Bill will do absolutely nothing of the kind for Mayo. That seems to me the soundest prediction.

 

[Real fan 02]

I'm not following this particular story that closely but Mayo reportedly declined an interview for Carolina's head coaching vacancy, is that correct? I don't get it. Why would he dismiss an opportunity like that?

The Patriots must be promising Mayo something big, like future HC. Didn't they jerk McDaniels around with that kind of nonsense?

Also, I have no interest a defensive minded first time HC. Sounds like a really bad idea. That he's a good former Patriots player doesn't make me feel any better about it.

My senses say there already is a deal in place, reports were all coaches were on vacation this week so it could become a matter of whenever the 2 sides sign the contract. As smart a guy as mayo he's not going to decline interviews or potential opportunities for nothing!

Mayo is a very unique guy, he's intelligent he's tenured with the organization, highly respected in the organization and in the league!! He's charismatic he's great with the media. All he Needs to do is continue to do what's gotten him this far is be the best coach in whatever facet to the players.. he respects the hell out of Bill ,but you can tell he's not BB YES MAN!

As far as a defensive minded head coach, I feel it's all on the makeup of the person.. Tomlin is a defensive minded head coach and he's never had a losing season!