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THIS IS OUR LIVE GAME DAY THREAD:

This is where we gather to follow things on Game Day. Obviously, emotions tend to be high so if anyone gets a little crazy, the use of the “Mute” button is encouraged on anyone who may be annoying to you to control your experience and to allow the moderators to also enjoy the game.

At the same time, please take a deep breath before over-reacting for the sake of making this a pleasant experience for everyone.

All we want next week is for Mac to put up a game like “Stiddy” and win/lose/draw we’ll all be feeling better…

If mac throws 2 interceptions his haters will stroke out
 
If Tom was fed up with Bill why did he keep asking for contract extensions?
Bargaining tool.
Any of the three Super Bowl winning OCs - Weis, O'Brien, or McDaniels - would be far superior to Matt Patricia. Charlie Weis did a damn fine job with his young QB from 1999 to 2004. Weis was instrumental in getting TFB from game manager to cold-blooded killer.

Matt's calling plays. There no discernible offensive scheme whatsoever. For team that harps on "situational football," it is clear that this team is playing not to lose regardless of what the opponent is doing.
The Patriots are a team that beats itself with offensive play calling which causes all the players to underperform, press and try to make plays despite the game plan.

They coach and play to lose.

Confidence, cohesion, focus, chemistry, unity of purpose and striving for the ultimate goal of success.

None of that is present on this offense.

It just looks like a Hugh Millen offense.
 
Yeah, not a tough call at all, throw Tomase's fat ass in the elevator and the decision is tougher.
Add Big Jim The Moron Murray in too. The guy is delusional and annoying asf. More annoying than the other two pricks
 
SOME OBSERVATIONS

I'll say straight away that winning a game they could easily have lost is much, much better than losing games they could have won. If what stood out to me on re-watching was a lot of bad stuff, we shouldn't forget the good.

GOOD

Start with the most obvious. Kyle Dugger. His play was the turning point of the game, no question. Not just because of the great run-back but because Teddy B got injured trying to tackle him. Skylar Thompson may turn into a decent QB but he was not ready to come in and the combination of poor throws and drops by not-quite-in-sync receivers gave the game to the Pats, despite their own best efforts to give it back.

Barmore. I'm no judge of individuals' contributions to interior line play. I just ask two questions. Does the line hold up against the run? Does it look better when someone is in there than when he's not. On Sunday the answer to both was "Yes!"

Meyers. Don't take this guy for granted! He does everything you want in a wide receiver -- runs where he's supposed to and catches the ball despite defenders. Of course, being led by Patricia, they have to misuse him and give him short screens to run. He may be a "slot receiver" but he's not Edelman, for goodness sake! For that you've got Bourne (remember him, Matt?) and you had Olszewsky (also you could have drafted my guy Khalil Shakir). I will weep when they let Meyers go in the off-season.

Peppers. I've been a Peppers fan since the beginning. I thought that, if he's really fully back from his injury, they've got a really dynamic and versatile player. So I was upset about the blocked punt against the Raiders that seemed to be his responsibility (though it also now seems that the refs messed up the play clock). But he was just the man for the scheme on Sunday.

Mac Jones. This has to be a qualified "good". There were some poor throws. A few missed swing passes that should have been made and some downfield heaves nowhere near the target. But he didn't throw any interceptions (or interception-worthy passes), didn't fumble and didn't take any unnecessary sacks (if the play doesn't scheme anyone open and the protection doesn't hold up, that's not the quarterback's fault). Nor did he have "happy feet". And he did make some great throws -- to Hunter Henry and Jakobi Meyers, in particular. Give him a good O-line and good offensive play designer/caller and there's something to work with. I think that's as true this year as last.

BAD

Special teams. Oh me! Is there really no punter out there better than Palardy? And running into the kicker! But at least Bryant didn't fumble.

Offensive play design and calling. Not as bad as sometimes, perhaps, but the usual failings were there: witless and obvious runs up the middle on first downs, long yardage and in the red zone; screens and swing passes that were equally obvious and immediately snuffed out by the defense; slow-developing or non-developing plays that gave Mac no suitable checkdown. I can only remember one successful run up the middle on first down (Harris from the two yard line). Otherwise, the running back numbers don't lie. I'm sorry for Harris and Stevenson. And I can't get my head around a world in which Nelson Agholor is on the field over Kendrick Bourne.

Soft defense. While the Dolphins sniffed out pretty much every swing or screen, through the whole first half the Pats let the back leak out to the sideline without sending anyone to cover. The result was an easy six or eight yards every time with Mostert (IIRC) bursting at least one for a very long gain.

Tavai in coverage. Zone coverage doesn't mean you find your position and just stand there when the offensive player sets up five yards away!

Judon. I get that teams will focus on the biggest threat and MJ is that. But on play after play on Sunday it wasn't clear what he was trying to do. Was he in coverage? Setting the edge? He seemed to be just hanging around. Stunt him. Use him as a decoy. But do something with him, please!

UGLY

Devin McCourty. Yes, the dropped interception was embarrassing and everyone in the stadium saw it. But here is something worse. Go back and look at the play before the missed long field goal (3rd and 7, 6:31 to go in Q2). The Dolphins have 5 wide receivers and Bridgewater misses a throw to Waddle. But Hill (yes, Tyreek Freaking Hill!) just cruises right past McCourty towards the endzone without McCourty even paying him notice. What part of the word "safety", don't you understand, Devin?

Calling a time out from the sidelines when the Dolphins had 12 men on the field. Come on, BB!

Trent Brown. Only one false start but I saw two more, at least. Haven't they got a competent O-line coach to cure those itchy feet?

The four-and-out at the end of the game. Goheels has said most of what needs to be said. Unimaginative and predictable -- that's the first three plays. The fourth down was just breathtaking. I can't make sense of it at all. What were they trying to do? The Dolphins had all 11 men at the LOS. So it would have had to be a pass -- no? But whom were they trying to get open? There was absolutely nothing on. If ever there were a time to take a timeout from the sidelines that was it!

Better options.

Punt. Surely even Palardy can do a little kick to the sidelines to get it inside the 10. Don't like your chances with that? Have Mac pooch punt it over the LOS and let mayhem break loose (my preferred option, but then I'm a European!) Try the field goal. It's not that long and what's the worst that happens if you miss? Don't like that, then what about a fake field goal?

In fact, pretty much anything would have been better than what they did!
 
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SOME OBSERVATIONS

I'll say straight away that winning a game they could easily have lost is much, much better than losing games they could have won. If what stood out to me on re-watching was a lot of bad stuff, we shouldn't forget the good.

GOOD

Start with the most obvious. Kyle Dugger. His play was the turning point of the game, no question. Not just because of the great run-back but because Teddy B got injured trying to tackle him. Skylar Thompson may turn into a decent QB but he was not ready to come in and the combination of poor throws and drops by not-quite-in-sync receivers gave the game to the Pats, despite their own best efforts to give it back.

Barmore. I'm no judge of individuals' contributions to interior line play. I just ask two questions. Does the line hold up against the run? Does it look better when someone is in there than when he's not. On Sunday the answer to both was "Yes!"

Meyers. Don't take this guy for granted! He does everything you want in a wide receiver -- runs where he's supposed to and catches the ball despite defenders. Of course, being led by Patricia, they have to misuse him and give him short screens to run. He may be a "slot receiver" but he's not Edelman, for goodness sake! For that you've got Bourne (remember him, Matt?) and you had Olszewsky (also you could have drafted my guy Khalil Shakir). I will weep when they let Meyers go in the off-season.

Peppers. I've been a Peppers fan since the beginning. I thought that, if he's really fully back from his injury, they've got a really dynamic and versatile player. So I was upset about the blocked punt against the Raiders that seemed to be his responsibility (though it also now seems that the refs messed up the play clock). But he was just the man for the scheme on Sunday.

Mac Jones. This has to be a qualified "good". There were some poor throws. A few missed swing passes that should have been made and some downfield heaves nowhere near the target. But he didn't throw any interceptions (or interception-worthy passes), didn't fumble and didn't take any unnecessary sacks (if the play doesn't scheme anyone open and the protection doesn't hold up, that's not the quarterback's fault). Nor did he have "happy feet". And he did make some great throws -- to Hunter Henry and Jakobi Meyers, in particular. Give him a good O-line and good offensive play designer/caller and there's something to work with. I think that's as true this year as last.

BAD

Special teams. Oh me! Is there really no punter out there better than Palardy? And running into the kicker! But at least Bryant didn't fumble.

Offensive play design and calling. Not as bad as sometimes, perhaps, but the usual failings were there: witless and obvious runs up the middle on first downs, long yardage and in the red zone; screens and swing passes that were equally obvious and immediately snuffed out by the defense; slow-developing or non-developing plays that gave Mac no suitable checkdown. I can only remember one successful run up the middle on first down (Harris from the two yard line). Otherwise, the running back numbers don't lie. I'm sorry for Harris and Stevenson. And I can't get my head around a world in which Nelson Agholor is on the field over Kendrick Bourne.

Soft defense. While the Dolphins sniffed out pretty much every swing or screen, through the whole first half the Pats let the back leak out to the sideline without sending anyone to cover. The result was an easy six or eight yards every time with Mostert (IIRC) bursting at least one for a very long gain.

Tavai in coverage. Zone coverage doesn't mean you find your position and just stand there when the offensive player sets up five yards away!

Judon. I get that teams will focus on the biggest threat and MJ is that. But on play after play on Sunday it wasn't clear what he was trying to do. Was he in coverage? Setting the edge? He seemed to be just hanging around. Stunt him. Use him as a decoy. But do something with him, please!

UGLY

Devin McCourty. Yes, the dropped interception was embarrassing and everyone in the stadium saw it. But here is something worse. Go back and look at the play before the missed long field goal (3rd and 7, 6:31 to go in Q2). The Dolphins have 5 wide receivers and Bridgewater misses a throw to Waddle. But Hill (yes, Tyreek Freaking Hill!) just cruises right past McCourty towards the endzone without McCourty even paying him notice. What part of the word "safety", don't you understand, Devin?

Calling a time out from the sidelines when the Dolphins had 12 men on the field. Come on, BB!

Trent Brown. Only one false start but I saw two more, at least. Haven't they got a competent O-line coach to cure those itchy feet?

The four-and-out at the end of the game. Goheels has said most of what needs to be said. Unimaginative and predictable -- that's the first three plays. The fourth down was just breathtaking. I can't make sense of it at all. What were they trying to do? The Dolphins had all 11 men at the LOS. So it would have had to be a pass -- no? But whom were they trying to get open? There was absolutely nothing on. If ever there were a time to take a timeout from the sidelines that was it!

Better options.

Punt. Surely even Palardy can do a little kick to the sidelines to get it inside the 10. Don't like your chances with that? Have Mac pooch punt it over the LOS and let mayhem break loose (my preferred option, but then I'm a European!) Try the field goal. It's not that long and what's the worst that happens if you miss? Don't like that, then what about a fake field goal?

In fact, pretty much anything would have been better than what they did!

Great post. You only need to post it earlier in the week with its own thread called Idle Thoughts. :)
 
My GF plays poker too, not me. She graduated from MIT so she would probably kick Ken's ***.
WOW!!!

You are one lucky (and brave) fellow. I think that @patchick, the smartest poster on this board by a good distance, is an MIT lady. Is your GF interested in football?
 
Start with the most obvious. Kyle Dugger. His play was the turning point of the game, no question. Not just because of the great run-back but because Teddy B got injured trying to tackle him.

Overall an interesting post aside from celebrating an injury here. And anyway Bridgewater hurt his finger when he was throwing and hit a DL's helmet, not from Dugger's stiff arm.

Also while I agree that Dugger had another good game, he did whiff on tackling Mostert on his 29 yard run.
 
Overall an interesting post aside from celebrating an injury here.

To say that that play was a turning point in the game is NOT to celebrate an injury but just to note it's impact. :confused:
 

Look at the play at 3:30 from a linebacker perspective.

This is either bad defense by design (i.e. Bentley and Dugger drop so far back into zone they can't get to Mostert) or else Bentley is supposed to drop coverage of the TE and then spy the back out of the backfield.

I believe it's the latter because of the way his body breaks toward Mostert before the ball is thrown.

Dugger has zone coverage and gets deep for any WRs crossing over the middle of the field, so it's Bentley's responsibility to be there. This could also be a great example of the Phins reading the defense well and figuring out they can leak the RB from the opposite side of Bentley.

Regardless, Bentley is both slow to diagnose and slow to get to the RB to make the tackle. A simple 5 yard dump off with no one in coverage results in a 29 yard gain. This is a big problem for this D, repeated problem, that needs to be addressed in the offseason. We need a Roman Phifer type, a guy like Tremaine Edmunds.
 


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