Pre Game Thread - Lions @ Pats

[PatsWSB47]

Pats running the whole game in the Red unis. It's going to be a true throwback.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

For what it’s worth, I’m not sure how week to week jonnu really is… he returned to practice this week.

Yeah, walking around on the field during practice doesn't mean much.
IF I HAD TO GUESS, NEITHER would even be there on an average team that tells everyone the REAL deal.
I could obviously be wrong.
OBVIOUSLY Mac was in agony, I don't wanna hear about miracles, you can only go to that well so many times, and 01 and 28-3 seem to cover us pretty well on that front!

 

[Jim Beankie]

Yep; BoneyT's legs make Shawn Crable's look like Schwarzenegger"s from the Twins movie in comparison.

Didn't realize that recovering from a shoulder injury precluded one from working on thighs & calves...

DeVonta Smith's got skinnier legs, and he's surviving. I'm still not optimistic about him long term, though, but I'm glad I'm being proven wrong so far. I guess because BoneyT's on the Pats, I have my rose colored glasses on. That being said, I really hope they don't put him on the line again to block like the Giants preseason game. No sense putting that square peg in the round hole - just asking for trouble. Keep him out of there so he can occupy a CB and a Safety.

 

[ralmat55]

Yea, this must be a move to free up a spot on the 53 but for who?

My guess is Thornton will be activated by Saturday. They wouldn’t have designated him for return if he wasn’t physically ready.

The Pats are roughly $2.6 million under the salary cap after IRing Cajuste and signing Cannon to the 53. That’s not much with 3/4s of the season still to go. Swapping Thornton for Hoyer on the IR will not cost anything against the cap.

When Thornton returns, he’ll be the 6th WR on the 53. And, Kendrick Bourne would likely be 6th in the pecking order. When Meyers and Thornton return, I think the Pats will revisit the idea of trading Bourne to clear cap space and a roster spot for Collins or, maybe, Ty Montgomery coming off the IR.

 

[mgteich]

My guess is Thornton will be activated by Saturday. They wouldn’t have designated him for return if he wasn’t physically ready.

The Pats are roughly $2.6 million under the salary cap after IRing Cajuste and signing Cannon to the 53. That’s not much with 3/4s of the season still to go. Swapping Thornton for Hoyer on the IR will not cost anything against the cap.

When Thornton returns, he’ll be the 6th WR on the 53. And, Kendrick Bourne would likely be 6th in the pecking order. When Meyers and Thornton return, I think the Pats will revisit the idea of trading Bourne to clear cap space and a roster spot for Collins or, maybe, Ty Montgomery coming off the IR.

so, you want Mac to come in if Zappe needs to come out? Not me? I want Mac to be inactive.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I was thinking Gilbert.

You are probably right, but I think either one can be called up 3 times? Maybe both will be call ups this week?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

so, you want Mac to come in if Zappe needs to come out? Not me? I want Mac to be inactive.

I think Gilbert can be active from the practice squad without being elevated to the 53? I am not sure although it has been discussed here many times. Getting old and forgetting things.

 

[venecol]

You are probably right, but I think either one can be called up 3 times? Maybe both will be call ups this week?

You're correct, but IRing Hoyer seems a little drastic since it puts him out 4 weeks, so I thought they may just add Gilbert to the 53 as permanent backup until Mac returns. Unless it's to make room for Thornton like KS says.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You're correct, but IRing Hoyer seems a little drastic since it puts him out 4 weeks, so I thought they may just add Gilbert to the 53 as permanent backup until Mac returns. Unless it's to make room for Thornton like KS says.

I think someone, maybe @captain stone?, said it did not look like a viscous hit (and it was on grass). I agree, so Hoyer might be one of the susceptible guys to a concussion, or he might be older and is not interested in CTE for the rest of his life, so in either case the Pats IRed him to be careful. It is not like Hoyer is a savior or anything.

Let's hope it is for Thornton since he does not have a practice squad elevation possibility - that would be nice. Then Collins and Gilbert can be elevated as practice squad guys.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I haven't read all 16 pages, but I am looking forward to a Zappe start. We know what we've got in Mac, we know he regressed, we know we want to right that ship, bully. But if he's not right, I am having fun so far watching Zappe's game, and getting psyched that maybe he's the guy we're looking for (until that 99 yard bubble pops.)

Drew Bledsoe, wait in line for the hall phone at the nursing home to get on with Zappe and tell him "F that, get out there and sling it!" (Might as well say it once, you never actually said it to Brady)

 

[Ross12]

You're correct, but IRing Hoyer seems a little drastic since it puts him out 4 weeks, so I thought they may just add Gilbert to the 53 as permanent backup until Mac returns. Unless it's to make room for Thornton like KS says.

It seems to me like they probably think Mac will be good to start by next week and could take the field as a game manager this week if Zappe got hurt for some reason. Then they go the next 3 games after this week with Mac + Zappe, probably just keep that setup til the bye week and then evaluate how Zappe's doing at that point, and if they feel he's handled the primary backup role fine, leave Hoyer on IR.

 

[Kasmir]

I think the Pats like the idea of Hoyer not taking up a spot on the 53. IR lets them pay his full salary while giving them flexibility about bringing him back.

Question: can Hoyer participate in team meetings while on IR?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

We better not fall behind by more than a score: two scores = insurmountable.

The only reason I might agree is Patricia will drop Bailey back to get killed even more than he already will.

I'm not going to repeat what I say a million times...about play selection...not calling a pass...

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The only reason I might agree is Patricia will drop Bailey back to get killed even more than he already will.

I'm not going to repeat what I say a million times...about play selection...not calling a pass...

I would have liked to have seen a naked bootleg.

 

[signbabybrady]

I would have liked to have seen a naked bootleg.

I would have preferred a 3rd and five run.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I think someone, maybe @captain stone?, said it did not look like a viscous hit (and it was on grass). I agree, so Hoyer might be one of the susceptible guys to a concussion, or he might be older and is not interested in CTE for the rest of his life, so in either case the Pats IRed him to be careful. It is not like Hoyer is a savior or anything.

Let's hope it is for Thornton since he does not have a practice squad elevation possibility - that would be nice. Then Collins and Gilbert can be elevated as practice squad guys.

I looked earlier this week, and this is his 6th concussion (at the very least). There was one where he had terrible memory issues shortly afterwards. I was really rooting for him, but he should really just hang it up. Terrible luck his whole career with injuries.

I'm still wondering how Wilkerson's doing. I feel like he was going to break out this year.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I'm still wondering how Wilkerson's doing. I feel like he was going to break out this year.

Wilkerson is one of those guys that never materializes, I think. Injuries, bad hands, does not pick up the whole playbook, etc. We would not have drafted Thornton in R2 if the coaches thought there was any chance of Wilkerson emerging (amazing athleticism like Thornton).

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I looked earlier this week, and this is his 6th concussion (at the very least). There was one where he had terrible memory issues shortly afterwards. I was really rooting for him, but he should really just hang it up. Terrible luck his whole career with injuries.

I'm still wondering how Wilkerson's doing. I feel like he was going to break out this year.

I don't remember that...

Re: Wilkerson, same. The guys here whining about Bourne getting 2 snaps and a 41-yard catch should be nuts about Wilkerson's one game last year. 1 game, 4 catches, 40-some yards, 2 TDs. You know, in relief of N'Keal Harry.

But yeah, apparently it doesn't matter what he does, he is in the perma doghouse.

 

[palialka]

Boy I miss Big Bruce he made those lean years palatable he was a very good player not many DE's got by him.

The best OT we’ve ever had and only behind Hannah as the best ever Patriot offensive lineman. Mankins is 3rd on my list.

 

[captain stone]

I think someone, maybe @captain stone?, said it did not look like a viscous hit (and it was on grass). I agree, so Hoyer might be one of the susceptible guys to a concussion, or he might be older and is not interested in CTE for the rest of his life, so in either case the Pats IRed him to be careful...

Yeah that was me, but a friend of mine told me earlier this evening to watch what happens after he's tackled, he thinks a GB defender might've kicked his helmet while he was on the ground... I didn't re-play that down yet, I was watching the other game, but I'll do so tomorrow and see of there's anything there...