2022 Patriots Roster Cut Down Day Thread

[BB8XSBW]

And? I seem to recall the Eagles winning a Super Bowl with a backup quarterback. Injuries are part of the game, if your team isn't resilient or deep enough to overcome them then they weren't good enough.

Their backup QB was significantly better than their starter. He wasn't some random practice squad player.

5th best? Firstly, who cares? Secondly, what are you talking about? Just consider the game itself, they got trounced 47-17, they fell behind 33-3 with Mac contributing to the deficit with 2 INTs. By the time he got anything going at all the game was long since over. He threw a garbage time TD with under 2 minutes left in the game. The game was a complete disaster for everyone... coaches and players... all of them.

He was literally the 5th best QB in the postseason as a rookie. I can't remember the last time that has happened, and neither can you. It's a remarkable result.

We already covered the reasons for the outcome of the game, and it all boils down to having to dig deep into the practice squad.

I'm just stating the facts of the matter. He was the 7th consideration at quarterback for the AFC. The 3 would be replacement quarterbacks in front of him don't get a pro bowl designation because they declined the invitation or weren't available. That includes Josh Allen and Joe Burrow... have you compared their seasons with Mac's? You tell me who was better. Mac just gets the pro bowl designation because he accepted the invite (way down the list).

Mac had a good rookie season. He should improve and very likely make other pro bowls of his own accord. That just wasn't the case last season.

Mac Jones is already a Pro Bowl QB, after just his rookie season. Nothing you typed here will erase this fact, and nothing you will type henceforth will, either.

Obvious statement? Literally no one agrees that Mac Jones is the most talented quarterback in the history of the franchise. Not one person. You're completely alone on that island.

Objective assessments do not require any consensus. What I stated is factual, irrespective of how many people agree or disagree.

Most talented quarterbacks in franchise history according to you:
1. Mac Jones
2. Drew Bledsoe
3. Steve Grogan

This is amusing. Why not?...

Combined career franchise accomplishments of Grogan, Bledsoe and Jones (26 seasons)...

Regular Season:
Record = 148-127
Division Titles = 3
TDs = 370
INTs = 359
Pro Bowls = 4
All Pros = 0
MVPs = 0

Postseason:
Record = 3-7
TDs = 11
INTs = 21
Super Bowl Rings (starter) = 0
Super Bowl MVPs = 0

Career franchise accomplishments of Brady (18 seasons)...

Regular Season:
Record = 219-64
Division Titles = 17
TDs = 541
INTs = 179
Pro Bowls = 14
All Pros = 5
MVPs = 3

Postseason:
Record = 30-11
TDs = 73
INTs = 35
Super Bowl Rings = 6
Super Bowl MVPs = 4

You may want to reconsider your list.

I don't see what there is to reconsider. That's an accurate list.

Keep in mind that we are talking about talent at the QB position, not accomplishments. Playing for nearly two decades for the GOAT coach/GM, who has 8 Super Bowl rings - more than any person in the history of the sport - will lead to more accomplishments. You can't penalize the others for not having that crutch when we are strictly talking about talent.

 

[captain stone]

Yeah I agree. I would have been ok with replacing Chicken Pharms with Tyler Shelvin.

If at any time during pre-season I was offered a Tyler Shelvin for Devin Assy-assy trade, I would've accepted... Bill claiming Shelvin would've accomplished the exact same thing; but Nooooooooo...

 

[captain stone]

He was a center and a teammate of Schooler's.

We don't need no more stinking' Centers; we need OTs!

 

[Bruins29]

I'm sorry, I am just noticing this. Is this a joke? @BB8XSBW

Most talented quarterbacks in franchise history according to BB8:
1. Mac Jones
2. Drew Bledsoe
3. Steve Grogan

Nice troll job.

 

[BB8XSBW]

I'm sorry, I am just noticing this. Is this a joke? @BB8XSBW

Most talented quarterbacks in franchise history according to BB8:
1. Mac Jones
2. Drew Bledsoe
3. Steve Grogan

Nice troll job.

I'm not Joe Rogan, or Dave Chappelle, or Joe Biden, or Louis CK. I don't tell jokes.

 

[Bruins29]

I'm not Joe Rogan, or Dave Chappelle, or Joe Biden, or Louis CK. I don't tell jokes.

Look, that is nice. You are so wrong I dont know where to begin. I'd put Plunkett ahead of all three for starters, never mind this Brady kid.

@crawhammer
@Actual Pats Fan

I am gonna leave you three to it.

 

[BB8XSBW]

Look, that is nice. You are so wrong I dont know where to begin. I'd put Plunkett ahead of all three for starters, never mind this Brady kid.

@crawhammer
@Actual Pats Fan

I am gonna leave you three to it.

Plunkett is 4th. I get that you must have a personal bias towards him, evidently, but I think 4th is fair and accurate.

 

[Patjew]

Plunkett is 4th. I get that you must have a personal bias towards him, evidently, but I think 4th is fair and accurate.

Eason 5?

 

[Zuma]

Eason 5?

Should be Flutie. We would have 8 SB's if he was here 2000-2020.

 

[BB8XSBW]

Eason 5?

Nah.

Babe Parilli. His stint with the Patriots may not have been very long, but his talent was unquestionable.

 

[rochrist]

Plunkett is 4th. I get that you must have a personal bias towards him, evidently, but I think 4th is fair and accurate.

This is a really weird and silly hill to die on. It's pretty much indefensible.

 

[rochrist]

Nah.

Babe Parilli. His stint with the Patriots may not have been very long, but his talent was unquestionable.

He DID play 7 years with the Pats.

 

[captain stone]

Nah.

Babe Parilli. His stint with the Patriots may not have been very long, but his talent was unquestionable.

Sorry if I've lost count... But, have you mentioned... You-Know-Who... yet?

 

[Bruins29]

Plunkett is 4th. I get that you must have a personal bias towards him, evidently, but I think 4th is fair and accurate.

LOL ok,

Look, I get it. You are the "new guy". You have been here a week. You figure that the best way to get noticed is to post something provocative to get attention. I get it, hey! I've even been there many many years ago.

But, I have seen this 1000 times. We all have. Its fine. You just keep doing you. You will see what happens.

 

[Zuma]

Sorry if I've lost count... But, have you mentioned... You-Know-Who... yet?

Marc Wilson should be next...I agree.

 

[BB8XSBW]

Sorry if I've lost count... But, have you mentioned... You-Know-Who... yet?

This franchise has had dozens of starting QBs. I don't mean to disrespect any of them, but you will have to be more specific.

LOL ok,

Look, I get it. You are the "new guy". You have been here a week. You figure that the best way to get noticed is to post something provocative to get attention. I get it, hey! I've even been there many many years ago.

But, I have seen this 1000 times. We all have. Its fine. You just keep doing you. You will see what happens.

Not sure what you are referring to. My posts have been fairly bland and have flown under the radar. Probably because I'm not charismatic or controversial enough.

Which is fine by me. I'm more of the boring accountant type who does nothing but state cold hard facts.

 

[crawhammer]

Their backup QB was significantly better than their starter. He wasn't some random practice squad player.

Oh. My. God. Wentz was on a league MVP pace before his injury. His quarterback rating was 23 points higher than Foles for the season. Foles is a .500 career quarterback who has never been good enough to maintain a starting job while he's been bouncing around between 5 franchises in 10 seasons. Do you consider anything at all before you post?

We already covered the reasons for the outcome of the game, and it all boils down to having to dig deep into the practice squad.

What's your excuse for nearly the exact same outcome 6 weeks earlier (week 13)?

Mac Jones is already a Pro Bowl QB, after just his rookie season. Nothing you typed here will erase this fact, and nothing you will type henceforth will, either.

You're bragging on being the 7th consideration. That's a low bar.

Objective assessments do not require any consensus. What I stated is factual, irrespective of how many people agree or disagree.

What's this "objective assessment" you're referring to? There must be some scale or data you can show me that confirms your statement.

I don't see what there is to reconsider. That's an accurate list.

Keep in mind that we are talking about talent at the QB position, not accomplishments. Playing for nearly two decades for the GOAT coach/GM, who has 8 Super Bowl rings - more than any person in the history of the sport - will lead to more accomplishments. You can't penalize the others for not having that crutch when we are strictly talking about talent.

So Mac Jones will be winning multiple Super Bowls with Belichick? Clearly that's your position. Also, if Belichick is such an automatic championship maker then how come he hasn't made one in 9 seasons without Brady? 9 seasons and 10 different starting quarterbacks not named Brady. Also, explain how Brady won a Super Bowl without his "crutch" in his first opportunity.

 

[Bruins29]

Which is fine by me. I'm more of the boring accountant type who does nothing but state cold hard facts.

So everything you have stated are just cold hard facts. And you think you know more than a forum full of Patriots fans/hobbiests?

 

[mgteich]

We don't need no more stinking' Centers; we need OTs!

We have 5 OT's

Who are the centers that you like so much?

 

[BB8XSBW]

Oh. My. God. Wentz was on a league MVP pace before his injury. His quarterback rating was 23 points higher than Foles for the season. Foles is a .500 career quarterback who has never been good enough to maintain a starting job while he's been bouncing around between 5 franchises in 10 seasons. Do you consider anything at all before you post?

Wentz has not won an MVP in his entire career. I don't know what imaginary MVP you're trying to attribute to him, but I think we all know by now that the guy sucks. I'm a better NFL QB than he is. Literally me. Let that sink in.

What's your excuse for nearly the exact same outcome 6 weeks earlier (week 13)?

You mean week 16. Week 13 was the healthiest the two teams all season, and we took their manhood in their own building.

In week 16, our defense was beat up, but not to the extent that it was in the wildcard round.

You can keep trying to talk Buffalo up all you want, but they are still trash and easy work for us this season.

You're bragging on being the 7th consideration. That's a low bar.

A rookie QB making the Pro Bowl is impressive. You've tried with all your might to erase this from history, but you have failed.

What's this "objective assessment" you're referring to? There must be some scale or data you can show me that confirms your statement.

Scientifically break down the game film of every QB in franchise history, and you will come to the same conclusion that I have.

So Mac Jones will be winning multiple Super Bowls with Belichick? Clearly that's your position.

Does this need to even be answered? Mac Jones will absolutely be a multi-time SB champion.

Also, if Belichick is such an automatic championship maker then how come he hasn't made one in 9 seasons without Brady? 9 seasons and 10 different starting quarterbacks not named Brady.

Yes, if you shrink Belichick's career and eliminate the years in which he has won Super Bowls, then he has 0 Super Bowls. Very astute observation from you.

Over here in reality, however, the guy has 8 Super Bowl rings. More than anyone in the history of the sport. He literally took a team that was forced into starting Jeff Hostetler at QB in the Super Bowl against the best offense the Buffalo Bills have ever had, and devised a game winning plan that is currently sitting in the Pro Football HOF.

Also, explain how Brady won a Super Bowl without his "crutch" in his first opportunity.

Although Super Bowl rings are a team/coach/GM accomplishment, and not a player accomplishment, I give kudos to any QB who has been able to win a ring without the great Bill Belichick. From Trent Dilfer to Nick Foles to Brad Johnson, and so on. Let alone the ones who have won multiple rings.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the level of talent, though.