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I can predict this... Mac's ceiling isn't as high as Josh's. Mac is incapable of putting up the kind of duel threat numbers like Josh. Not saying mac can't eventually be great(ish) in his own style but he'll never be Josh Allen.
Mac will never be MVP Cam Newton either. Not so sure what that has to do with ceilings.

Another fact: Josh Allen will never be the dual threat Cam Newton was. Or Kyler Murray is. Or even Justin Fields will be. Those guys are all enormously faster than Josh Allen and his 4.76s 40 time. Even Mac at 4.68s is way faster than Allen.

Josh Allen is big and likes to run. We'll see how long that lasts.
 
I'm guessing a certain member of the forum is waiting until Bentley is also extended before commenting.Edit. I just noticed he already got extended. :rofl:
 
And don't dump on me for talking Brady/Bill because YOU are the one bringing it up here.
Every thread you contribute to becomes a Brady ***********, then you blame the posters you wrangle into this stupidity.
Only Brady wins Super Bowls every other season. No other quarterback in the history of the NFL comes even close to his Super Bowl success. Buffalo's "hold up" isn't about Josh Allen. The last two postseasons the obvious problem was abject failure in trying to stop the Chiefs. If their defense doesn't completely collapse, and they can avoid Brady in the Super Bowl, then Buffalo will be a favorite to win it all. With a lesser quarterback they wouldn't be in that position. You can forget about the AFC East... it belongs to Buffalo this season (at least).
For a decade between 2005-2013 while Brady was one of the highest paid players in the league he won zero Super Bowls... you can't even get your fan fiction right. He's played 21 seasons and won 7 rings... if all you needed to win rings was "Brady magic" he would have closer to 21 rings... he doesn't.

When Brady was on his rookie contract they won 3 rings, when he agreed to take a little less and the team borrowed from future cap from 2014-2019 he won three more... in comparison Mahomes won a single ring on his rookie contract... despite Mahomes having better stats... Tom played on better teams. You don't understand football, you believe in super heroes, in magic.... why does Brady have 7 rings?

Here's a clue, it's not magic...

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Pardon me but you said Jackson would not be a successful quarterback in the NFL. He won NFL MVP in year two. That makes you WRONG. What don't you understand? You're also overlooking that quarterbacks have gotten more athletic and many use their legs very effectively... Jackson, Allen, Mahomes, Watson, Murray, Wilson, Prescott, Hurts... all except for Hurts have been to multiple pro bowls. You ripping young quarterbacks for not having won a Super Bowl is ridiculous. Firstly, until Brady retires, he's taking half of them. Secondly, winning a Super Bowl is very hard to do unless you're the Patriots with a unicorn quarterback. Thirdly, give them a reasonable amount of seasons to win it all.
Stop being a coward and answer the question I've asked twice, which you've ignored and erased in your responses.

What's the ultimate goal of all 32 teams?

I'm not ripping young QB's who haven't won a Super Bowl, I'm saying Jackson is a poor passer. Every other QB you mentioned above besides Hurts is a good if not exceptional passer... and even Hurts has the potential to improve. Jackson hasn't improved as a passer.

Brady was a big part of why his teams won rings, team is why they won, not because he possessed magic powers... he threw one TD in the entire 2001 postseason. His entire team was clutch, were coached and conditioned to perform in crunch time and did.
I can predict this... Mac's ceiling isn't as high as Josh's. Mac is incapable of putting up the kind of duel threat numbers like Josh. Not saying mac can't eventually be great(ish) in his own style but he'll never be Josh Allen.
Mac is about as fast as Patrick Mahomes... but who cares if becomes a dual threat. The greatest QB in history isn't a dual threat and he's still winning rings into the 2020's... so who cares. Passing is the job, Mac isn't the athlete Allen is, but could become a much better passer... he was already far ahead of him as a rookie. Stop believing in fairy tales and learn the game, it will make so much more sense to you.
 
The funniest part of this thread is it highlights how if anyone even mentions the possibility of Mac improving, or becoming really good in time... the Brady zealots, who almost exclusively stay in the TB12 echo chamber the mods built for them, all come out of the woodwork to tell us how average and plain Mac is... what a weak arm he has.

Their insecurity with the possibility that BB found the next QB is so great, they only emerge to knock Mac down a peg or when something bad happens... like they cut a WR everyone knew was going to get cut anyways. But these are "Patriots fans?"

Nah, most are pink hats who became "fans" when the team starting winning... and now they're football "experts," even if they don't know why teams actually win or lose.
 
Generational differences matter. That's why companies adapt to acct for them. Stuff like the advent of SM, the woke philosophy, the sense of entitlement, the need to share everything, have an influence on that generation. We're witnessing today's players doing stuff that was unheard of from older ones.

NVM about the differences between being a HC that's 25 years older than his players vs 45. Sure, football is football, but the approach matters. You think it's a coincidence how much Bill has changed on how he talks about his young players? Or what he puts up with from their SM accts?

Jules said these younger players are different and snickered. As an ex-Pats football player, I'll take his word for it.
I agree players have changed and so has BB. That was the 3rd thing I said.
Agree.

Please expand on this. Is this just your opinion?
He is sensitive and has rabbit ears. Folks were busting on his for his crappy throws to Hill during OTCs. He piped up and got all defensive on Twitter. Who cares?

Flo tells Tua after sucking vs TN he said he should have taken Mac Jones. Is that harsh? Yep. Then Tua goes to the press and says he doesn't feel wanted. Poor him. I give credit to to Tua when Flo was hard on him but crying to the press b/c his coach is hard on him is whiney.
 
Admittedly, there aren't a lot of conversations here in Alabama regarding Mac's development or the Patriots, but I have been confident since Mac won the starting job, there would be a significant jump in performance between years one and two. I realize the competition level is completely different at the pro level, but I base my opinion on Mac-not the competition. When Mac was at Bama, the stories coming out of Tuscaloosa regarding his studying and work ethic are legendary. We were shown video of him and his personal passing coach back home in Jacksonville during breaks working HARD, heard strories from his girlfriend (now wife? fiancee?) quizzing him ad nauseum on opponents' tendencies, players' #'s, etc., and numerous stories from coaches and teammates regarding his knowledge of the most intricate details regarding all aspects of the game and how he was a "coach on the field". After Bama whipped OSU for the title Mac's final season, I went back and watched the "ALL 22" version from ESPN. Bama could have scored 100 if it had been necessary (even with Waddle at 50% and D. Smith getting injured during the game). Mac knew what the D was doing on every play and exactly where he needed to go with the ball. I do not begin to know the ceiling for Mac in the NFL but to believe that if he can maintain his health that there will not be significant improvement in his ball security and production based on knowledge of how the man operates would be foolishness.
 
Brady missed the playoffs his second season starting, he wasn’t the GOAT then.
 
In Bill we trust? Is that still a thing?

After the failure of the Kneal Harry experiment (among many, Many others), IBIT should never Ever be a thing ever Ever again by Anyone Anywhere capable of independent thought.
 
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Brady missed the playoffs his second season starting, he wasn’t the GOAT then.
That 02 season was wacky.

They start out as world beaters. Then drop 4 straight. Then win 5 of 6. Then drop 2 big games vs TN and the NYJ. Vs MIA they come back w 5min left and Tom has 2 dislocated shoulders.

...and a defense with Law, Milloy, Bru, Vrabes, Sey, Hamilton, Roman, Ted Johnson and Willie finish with the worst run D in the entire league.
 
After the failure of the Kneal Harry experiment (among many, Many others), IBIT should never Ever be a thing ever Ever again by Anyone Anywhere capable of independent thought.
Because of a draft pick failing… we should fire every Coach/GM in the league including the best… good grief.
 
Because of a draft pick failing… we should fire every Coach/GM in the league including the best… good grief.
The game has passed him by.

We need an auto-ignore function here at PatsFans that excludes posts by those above the proper cut-off age to make sure we're not considering the posts of those who have been passed by.
 


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