J.C. Jackson - "It's time to get Mr. INT paid."

[StrawHatPatriot]

If this is true then there's some kind of systemic issue because there ends up being reported friction with a number of DBs... Law, Milloy, Samuel, Butler, Gilmore, perhaps Jackson...

You're also right about the DB depth without Jackson, it's laughable.


Obviously no coincidence. Same with Tampa Bay completely turning their franchise around for two seasons.

If Belichick never wins another division then it's going to be a bad look. It's just a reality.


You call a .450 winning percentage a success? One playoff win in 5 seasons? He never got the quarterback situation right in Cleveland, which alone doomed him, but collectively neither the offenses or defenses were any good. He had 5 seasons to put a team together and he failed miserably. The one season they had a winning record they beat up on trash, they had 3 wins against teams above .500 and two were against the Patriots and Bledsoe who gift wrapped both games with a combined 1 TD and 7 INTs.


Correct.

So can Team Bill please explain to me how he won NFL Executive of the Year??

The defense is facing a full blown crisis. The special teams were a negative, bordering on disaster. You have no 3rd down RB and the WR depth is weak with no obvious #1. And your most expensive TE sucks. All this with a second year QB whose improvement probably depends on the strength of his supporting cast.

And now add Joe Judge and Matt Patricia to that mix.

 

[VJCPatriot]

JC Jackson was our number 1 corner last season. That said the Patriots have a history of not paying top dollar to retain their own players - see Asante Samuel, Darius Butler, etc.

I expect a Tag and Trade move. The question is how much compensation can Bill get out of moving Jackson on to his next team.

My personal preference would be to keep JC Jackson, and he's just entering his prime at age 26, but I've got to be realistic -- Mr. Kraft is cheap and BB rarely pays top dollars to retain veterans.

The other factor that goes against keeping JC in New England is that we badly overpaid in last year's free agency period. The bad contracts/overpays given to guys like Jhonnu Smith and Agholor will make it harder to keep one of the best young CB talents developed by the team in recent years.

 

[nextsuperstar]

Bill's plan is to let JC walk and draft another SlowJuan, Duke Doubtson, Cyrus the virus, or Terrence the menace.

Chess vs checkers.

Nah. His plan is to let him walk then find a player like Butler or Jackson as UDFA, Samuel or McCourty in the draft, Talib via trade, or Revis or Gilmore via free agency.

If you’re going to criticize Belichick’s ability to find talented players at a certain position, choose a position besides corner.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

JC Jackson was our number 1 corner last season. That said the Patriots have a history of not paying top dollar to retain their own players - see Asante Samuel, Darius Butler, etc.

I expect a Tag and Trade move. The question is how much compensation can Bill get out of moving Jackson on to his next team.

My personal preference would be to keep JC Jackson, and he's just entering his prime at age 26, but I've got to be realistic -- Mr. Kraft is cheap and BB rarely pays top dollars to retain veterans.

The other factor that goes against keeping JC in New England is that we badly overpaid in last year's free agency period. The bad contracts/overpays given to guys like Jhonnu Smith and Agholor will make it harder to keep one of the best young CB talents developed by the team in recent years.

No chance they tag him. Hes gone.

 

[RxJock1120]

JC Jackson was our number 1 corner last season. That said the Patriots have a history of not paying top dollar to retain their own players - see Asante Samuel, Darius Butler, etc.

I expect a Tag and Trade move. The question is how much compensation can Bill get out of moving Jackson on to his next team.

My personal preference would be to keep JC Jackson, and he's just entering his prime at age 26, but I've got to be realistic -- Mr. Kraft is cheap and BB rarely pays top dollars to retain veterans.

The other factor that goes against keeping JC in New England is that we badly overpaid in last year's free agency period. The bad contracts/overpays given to guys like Jhonnu Smith and Agholor will make it harder to keep one of the best young CB talents developed by the team in recent years.

For some reason that still remains a mystery to me, the Pats have been reluctant to tag and trade players over the last decade, which is contrary to how they used to act back in the early 2000's

 

[resdubwhite]

not looking good is it. Its a shame if he's not on the team. Not even sure what the plan is but lets see.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

All of JC's bluster seems to be driven by his agent in an attempt to market himself. The message is much different than what he was saying mid season when he stated that he wanted to stay with the Pats mid season. There is a high likelihood, not a guarantee that another team will overpay him as an elite corner. Hopefully he will give the team a chance to match if the money is reasonable as part of the larger rebuild. If not it is best to move on because JC is not the difference between the Pats winning the super bowl next season or not. Tying up money during the next couple of years will limit investments that will mature in a couple of years when the is hopefully ready to compete for the championship.

 

[sb1]

It's official. Deadline passed and no tag for JCJ.

 

[venecol]

Nah. His plan is to let him walk then find a player like Butler or Jackson as UDFA, Samuel or McCourty in the draft, Talib via trade, or Revis or Gilmore via free agency.

If you’re going to criticize Belichick’s ability to find talented players at a certain position, choose a position besides corner.

We'll see. He's got no choice but to draft a CB now, maybe two. Doubt he does much in FAcy.

 

[Brotherblues]

For some reason that still remains a mystery to me, the Pats have been reluctant to tag and trade players over the last decade, which is contrary to how they used to act back in the early 2000's

It's league wide, I think. My understanding is that teams aren't as willing to pony up for tagged guys as they used to be.

If you tag and then can't trade the guy, you're stuck with a player you didn't want at the price, or become forced to trade him for less than the 3rd pick you'd have gotten just by letting him walk. Not sure if I recall correctly but something like that happened to the Dolphins with Landry (tagged then traded him for a 4th).

Frank Clark comes to mind as an exception. He netted a bounty, but, again, it seems that's more of an outlier these days.

 

[gobesmug]

Nah. His plan is to let him walk then find a player like Butler or Jackson as UDFA, Samuel or McCourty in the draft, Talib via trade, or Revis or Gilmore via free agency.

If you’re going to criticize Belichick’s ability to find talented players at a certain position, choose a position besides corner.

Which is crazy given how many 2nd rd picks he has wasted on the position.

DB is the position he nails late round and UDFAs

 

[sb1]

With (likely) no JCJ - the secondary has gone from a strength to a major liability.

Unless BB plans to completely reinvent this defense like he did in 2003. Which might be the plan.

 

[zimmy]

The failure to sign Jackson go back to the spending spree last year, which has seen a few players on the roster that are not living up to their contracts but aren't really cut-able right now. We know that Bill would like to re-sign JC and they tried during the season. Jackson understandably is interested in maximising his earnings as a UDFA. We know that carrying him on the tag number is problematic due to the cap situation - if we want to re-sign Brown, Karras, Bentley, Slater, McCourty etc and bring in a few free agents to improve the team, then it's difficult to have a $17m cap hit.

For context we currently have $9m in cap room. We'd have to restructure a number of players and cut a few others (Agholor, Godchaux maybe) to just have enough space to franchise JC and bring back the same team from last year. There would be very little left over to actually improve the team. The only way is to sign JC to a long term deal to have a manageable cap hit this year but someone is going to blow him away in free agency. Some poor long term roster management really.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The failure to sign Jackson go back to the spending spree last year, which has seen a few players on the roster that are not living up to their contracts but aren't really cut-able right now.

This is a great point. Bill knew JC was an UFA soon and the spending spree told us he doesn't plan on signing him.

Agholor, Godsmack, Wise, Smith and Mills were awful signings.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If you tag and then can't trade the guy, you're stuck with a player you didn't want at the price, or become forced to trade him for less than the 3rd pick you'd have gotten just by letting him walk. Not sure if I recall correctly but something like that happened to the Dolphins with Landry (tagged then traded him for a 4th).

Not exactly. You can remove the tag and let him walk.

 

[Toofy]

Every team gets burnt by poor trades and poor drafts . Last year we got a bit burnt by FA signings . Let's just get the best possible draft pickings and see how we can milk our existing talent. If our edge rushers improve we can make up for the lack of DB talent . If Davis falls to us, just draft him and then we can worry about others. Most likely Calvin Austin is our slot guy in 3rd or 4th round . We could really use an additional second and 3rd round pick .

So many holes on roster - CB,DI,ED,LB, WR, OT

We just have 3 picks in top 100 . Looks like we will not draft WR before 4th round .

 

[zimmy]

This is a great point. Bill knew JC was an UFA soon and the spending spree told us he doesn't plan on signing him.

Agholor, Godsmack, Wise, Smith and Mills were awful signings.

I personally didn't mind them as signings but we were far too aggressive with the contracts, particularly for Agholor, Godchaux and Wise. All we heard was that we were only competing with a small handful of teams for these players due to the drop in the cap yet we offered contracts as if it was a crowded market place. $11m a year for Agholor and $9m a year for Godchaux were immediate overpays. A few days later JuJu and Will Fuller were signing one year prove it deals.

Add in the fact we should have traded Gilmore the year before, shouldn't have franchised Thuney, shouldn't have re-signed Collins and Van Noy, should have let Hightower go, and we've made a lot of roster building errors that have cost us valuable cap space and draft picks.

 

[Since1960]

Two words come to mind that before I’d be willing to pay “Mr INT” and they are Stefan Diggs. When you pay a CB over $17m/year he’d best be able to defend your biggest rival’s best WR especially when you’re going to play them 2-3 games a year with the third game a Ticket home from the Playoffs….

 

[TheRainMaker]

Two words come to mind that before I’d be willing to pay “Mr INT” and they are Stefan Diggs. When you pay a CB over $17m/year he’d best be able to defend your biggest rival’s best WR especially when you’re going to play them 2-3 games a year with the third game a Ticket home from the Playoffs….

True, but Ty Law couldn't defend anyone in the AFC East during the Carrol years and had some bad years with Bill in 2000 and 2002.

 

[Mack Herron]

A defense that hasn’t stopped the Bills since electric can openers is even worse today. I remember thinking I didn’t have to worry about the increasingly important CB position with Gilmore and Jackson.