J.C. Jackson - "It's time to get Mr. INT paid."

[PatsFan2]

I hope JC doesn’t fall into the trap in only considering the money and ignoring the organization, Coaches and what scheme they play. Revis talked about this in a video that he knew he was going to a bad situation for his playing style in TB, but he wanted to get paid. He admitted he had wasted years there.

With JC, if he goes to a bad team, he will expected to make an enormous impact and will get heavily criticized if he doesn’t. This happened to Trey Flowers recently.

Original UDFA play for peanutsu early on can't fault them for going for the money nine out of ten times. They have to feed their families. P.s. Fat Matt made Flowers rich we all know he wasn't worth near what he got.

 

[TheRainMaker]

JC Jackson is a good player, but part of his greatness is due to playing on very good defenses every season except 2020.

They are good because of their ranking. But their D has had weaknesses in the front 7 for years now who continuuely get pushed around by good teams. In fact, the talent of the D shows up when they don’t play any incompetent offense like the Jets and get heavy wind or rain.

And if your theory was true that “his greatness was because of this defense“, then why isn’t Williams any good? What about Mills?

 

[venecol]

Bill's plan is to let JC walk and draft another SlowJuan, Duke Doubtson, Cyrus the virus, or Terrence the menace.

Chess vs checkers.

 

[Wozzy]

They are good because of their ranking. But their D has had weaknesses in the front 7 for years now who continuuely get pushed around by good teams. In fact, the talent of the D shows up when they don’t play any incompetent offense like the Jets and get heavy wind or rain.

And if your theory was true that “his greatness was because of this defense“, why isn’t Williams any good? Then what about Mills?

I didn’t say he was good solely because of scheme, but partially. And teams go at him because he takes chances. Jackson has struggled as well, or are we just picking and choosing?

He’s a good player, he’s not Stephon Gilmore. You don’t overpay, that’s what dumb teams do or teams not concerned with the big picture.

 

[venecol]

In BB's head no former UDFA who turned himself into a very good player is worth even that. C'mon venecol rework those second and third years we want the hometown discount.

It's just an example of a hefty contract that can be manipulated to lower cap space. Of course it requires Early Bird to open up his check book. I'd be curious to see what they offered JC in 2021.

 

[venecol]

Clearly nobody was offering a 1st (or 2nd rounder) for him like Robo erroneously predicted.

How Can Patriots Replace J.C. Jackson If Corner Leaves In Free Agency?

One of the New England Patriots' best and most important defensive players seems destined to sign elsewhere this offseason.

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[PatsFan2]

It's just an example of a hefty contract that can be manipulated to lower cap space. Of course it requires Early Bird to open up his check book. I'd be curious to see what they offered JC in 2021.

It's just an example of a hefty contract that can be manipulated to lower cap space. Of course it requires Early Bird to open up his check book. I'd be curious to see what they offered JC in 2021.

I'm sure Krusty the clown couldn't laugh any harder.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I didn’t say he was good solely because of scheme, but partially. And teams go at him because he takes chances. Jackson has struggled as well, or are we just picking and choosing?

He’s a good player, he’s not Stephon Gilmore. You don’t overpay, that’s what dumb teams do or teams not concerned with the big picture.

What CB does not struggle? Ty Law regularly got abused by Keyshawn Johnson (his Daddy), Eric Moulds and Marvin Harrison between the years of 1998-2000 when he was considered among the best. In fact, Law came up pretty small in these big divisional games that this board wants to forget.

Aqib Talib couldn’t defend Steve Smith if his life depended on it. He struggled against small quick guys.

Revis had lost a step and got roasted by Jordy Nelson and Josh Gordon off the top of my head.

JC struggles against ONE WR and that’s unacceptable...lol.

 

[venecol]

So my 4 year at $80M w/ $48M guaranteed isn't so far fetched.

 

[Triumph]

Clearly nobody was offering a 1st (or 2nd rounder) for him like Robo erroneously predicted.

How Can Patriots Replace J.C. Jackson If Corner Leaves In Free Agency?

One of the New England Patriots' best and most important defensive players seems destined to sign elsewhere this offseason.

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3rd round compensatory pick is a maybe yes and maybe no.

 

[ralmat55]

They played zone cause Jackson was the only corner on the roster who can hold up in man coverage. BB would rather be a predominantly man defense rather than a zone, history has shown us that.

Not pre-2012 history. Times change, and the usage of more zone might have been an attempt to better play the run on early downs which is when zone was used more. They were still a predominantly man team on 3rd down.

The Patriots defensive Achilles heel is their inability to adequately play the run with the personnel needed to also play man pass defense on early downs. Playing zone allowed them to play 3 bigs and 4 LBs to stop the run without those LBers being burned alive covering RBs and TEs man to man.

Of course, it’s as predictable as hell which might explain why it was less effective at the end of the year.

 

[Triumph]

What CB does not struggle? Ty Law regularly got abused by Keyshawn Johnson (his Daddy), Eric Moulds and Marvin Harrison between the years of 1998-2000 when he was considered among the best. In fact, Law came up pretty small in these big divisional games that this board wants to forget.

Aqib Talib couldn’t defend Steve Smith if his life depended on it. He struggled against small quick guys.

Revis had lost a step and got roasted by Jordy Nelson and Josh Gordon off the top of my head.

JC struggles against ONE WR and that’s unacceptable...lol.

Goodbye JC. He got burned by the Texans Moore.

An obscure player making a big play. Sounds like Brandon Bolden or the litany of other NE players over the last 21 years who opposing defenses forgot about.

 

[ralmat55]

J.C. Jackson wants Jalen Ramsey money

As Patriots cornerback J.C.

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I’m not Bill Belichick‘a biggest fan. Unlike some on this board, I don’t think that every decision he makes is a good one or that all credit accrues to him and no blame should ever be cast his way.

But, the question that has to be asked before franchising a player or signing them to a big contract is how will that player react to the tag or suddenly being rich.

I’m with Bill on this one. I saw Jackson playing not to get hurt late in the season to protect his pay day. I don’t condemn him for that, but I don’t excuse it either. You’d probably get more of the same if you tagged him, and no team is going to give you a high draft pick just for the privilege of signing Jackson to a huge contract.

Let it play out. Perhaps, a mega offer doesn’t materialize and you can resign him. I’m a Jackson fan, but he’s not a player you can carry on your cap at $17 million for just a one year rental.

I’d rather trade a 4th this year and a conditional 2023 pick to the Giants for Bradberry (pushing some of his cap hit into his already existing voidable year). Then, draft a corner on day 1 or 2 out of a deep CB draft class and look for the next Jackson, Jones, Moore, or Butler among the UDFAs.

 

[Wozzy]

What CB does not struggle? Ty Law regularly got abused by Keyshawn Johnson (his Daddy), Eric Moulds and Marvin Harrison between the years of 1998-2000 when he was considered among the best. In fact, Law came up pretty small in these big divisional games that this board wants to forget.

Aqib Talib couldn’t defend Steve Smith if his life depended on it. He struggled against small quick guys.

Revis had lost a step and got roasted by Jordy Nelson and Josh Gordon off the top of my head.

JC struggles against ONE WR and that’s unacceptable...lol.

When does a defense not struggle, or an offense for that matter?

JC Jackson couldn’t hold Ty Law’s jock, and he’s not worth Jalen Ramsey money.

J.C. Jackson wants Jalen Ramsey money

As Patriots cornerback J.C.

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If you think Jackson (or anyone) is then I’m glad you’re not holding the purse strings.

This team stayed relevant and consistently competitive for two decades straight because they paid, but didn’t overpay. The key to being a great negotiator is you have to be willing to walk away.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This team stayed relevant and consistently competitive for two decades straight because they paid, but didn’t overpay.

They stayed relevant for two decades because they had the GOAT QB.

JC Jackson couldn’t hold Ty Law’s jock, and he’s not worth Jalen Ramsey money.

Stats say otherwise, but keep ignoring Ty Law’s struggles against the best. He also had many days where JAG’s had career days. He had two good years under Bill out of 4 1/2 years until he got injured in 2004. Had frequent no shows during the Carroll years.

Jalen Ramsey isn’t even worth Jalen Ramsey money. He got roasted in 4 out their 5 last games which includes the playoffs. JC was better than him this year.

CB’s are overpaid, but the market is the market and that’s why he’s asking for that ridiculous amount.

 

[Rob0729]

Clearly nobody was offering a 1st (or 2nd rounder) for him like Robo erroneously predicted.

How Can Patriots Replace J.C. Jackson If Corner Leaves In Free Agency?

One of the New England Patriots' best and most important defensive players seems destined to sign elsewhere this offseason.

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Thanks buddy! This is why we are besties! You are always looking out for me. I don’t know about you, but our little bromance lightens my day. Love you, bro.

 

[Rob0729]

Jackson could very well get Ramsey money. With the cap exploding next year, there will be teams who could spend ridiculous money this free agency.

 

[mgteich]

His agent will offer the Pats a chance to match it if he wants to stay in New England or beat it if he's indifferent. A bidding war is the best case scenario for agent and player.

Chances are some team will offer too much and he'll be gone.

2 bidding wars

ONE
between Jackson and the patriots

TWO
among other teams

there is no three, unless Jackson fails to get a decent/acceptable deal. Otherwise, there is no reason to come crawling back.

 

[mgteich]

Jackson could very well get Ramsey money. With the cap exploding next year, there will be teams who could spend ridiculous money this free agency.

Does ridiculous money simply mean higher than in the past.

Consider these contract AAV's should be considered in comparisons with those over the same period, say 2022-2025. A Ramsey with its AAV will be acceptable to lots of teams over 2022-2025.

If teams like the patriots choose to spend their cap money on other positions, then fine. That only means that Jackson is "worth less" to a team like the patriots, who have other plans to replenish their secondary. Or do they?

 

[Rob0729]

Doe ridiculous money simply mean higher than in the past.

Consider these contract AAV's should be considered in comparisons with those over the same period, say 2022-2025. A Ramsey with its AAV will be acceptable to lots of teams over 2022-2025.

If teams like the patriots choose to spend their cap money on other positions, then fine. That only means that Jackson is "worth less" to a team like the patriots, who have other plans to replenish their secondary. Or do they?

Every year teams spend ridiculous money on many or most of the top free agents. This year won’t be any different except the ridiculous will be a lot higher because of the cap explosion next year.

And it is ridiculous money because no one is sure exactly how much the cap will increase especially since the Sunday Ticket deal isn’t even close to being done. I am sure there will be teams that will gamble that the cap will be higher than it ends up being. A lot of teams have already gambled with the QB contracts with cap hits of upwards to $50 million a season for 2023. Some of them might get bitten in the arse.