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Arguing which is more important to a team’s success, coach or QB, is like arguing which is more important to water, hydrogen or oxygen.

A lousy coach will lose games even with a great QB.

A lousy QB will lose games even with a great coach.

so, is it hydrogen or oxygen?
 
Arguing which is more important to a team’s success, coach or QB, is like arguing which is more important to water, hydrogen or oxygen.

A lousy coach will lose games even with a great QB.

A lousy QB will lose games even with a great coach.

so, is it hydrogen or oxygen?
A great coach/GM will find a good QB eventually... give me the great coach/GM every time.

The Tampa Bay superteam will fall apart under it's own weight after this season or the next... who would you rather have Arians or BB?
 
For 20 years Bill has repeated the "it's all about the PLAYERS" mantra over and over and OVER again. In fact he said it yesterday in the post game presser. Players ARE the key to every winning team, but the fact is that coaching has more effect on how a football team plays than ANY other team sport.

Wozzy rightfully points out a good example with Deshawn Watson. He had the best stats in the league in 2020 and his team won 4 games. It's NOT just the QB. If you don't think coaching matter just look at look at the QB we faced yesterday. The one TRUE "generational QB talent in the draft threw is first TD since Thanksgiving in GARBAGE time of a 40 point loss. YOU know that if Lawrence was here, He'd be playing much better.

Another great example is Lamar Jackson who is an elite ATHLETE, but only a mediocre passer due his consistent inaccuracy. But in a system that was brilliantly designed fo highlight HIS skill set, and he's an MVP. It might not have worked as well if he'd been drafted elsewhere. It should be noted that the league has started to catch up with the Ravens offense and their record has declined recently.

Note: the Ravens are my MOST hated team behind only the Colts (sorry Joker but the Jets are now 3rd) and there can't be enough bad things to happen to that franchise, so saying something nice about them is a bitter pill to swallow.

Good coaching elevates a player's talent, and bad coaching can ****** it. Simple as that. All players want to feel is that THEIR coaches are giving them the best opportunity to win a game on Sunday. If the coach tells them that A, B, C, and D will happen and it does, they will gain credibility. If they tell them if they DO A, B , C and. D to win and that's what happens, They gain credibility. It works the same in a loss. Coaches gain even MORE credibility based on how fast and how good game day and halftime adjustments are made.

Bill never had to be the most personable of coaches, or to have played in the NFL to gain the respect of players. He got it because players quickly learned that if the did what this coach was saying, they would win more games. For many more times than not, what he told them ended up happening. He has EARNED that respect.

BTW I remember how after the 2020 season, then big take was that now that Brady is gone, NO FA's will; want to come to NE. Sure the money was good, but if you heard the Bourne presser yesterday, he basically said, he liked the money but BUT he came for the coaching,

OT. I need a question answered and the locked the relative thread. In AB's melt down, Ariens claims to have asked him to enter the game 3 times before he sent him off and AB imploded. So far I haven't seen anyone report on WHY he didn't want to enter the game in the first place. Anyone have any idea. Just very curious about that.
 
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OT. I need a question answered and the locked the relative thread. In AB's melt down, Ariens claims to have asked him to enter the game 3 times before he sent him off and AB imploded. So far I haven't seen anyone report on WHY he didn't want to enter the game in the first place. Anyone have any idea. Just very curious about that.

Peter King reported he has an ankle problem and wouldn't go in because of that.
 
Arguing which is more important to a team’s success, coach or QB, is like arguing which is more important to water, hydrogen or oxygen.

A lousy coach will lose games even with a great QB.

A lousy QB will lose games even with a great coach.

so, is it hydrogen or oxygen?
I'll just take another water please.
 
I hope that all the snowflakes don't melt when I point this out, but Bill is 4 games under .500 without TB. Like I said, it's about the players, not the coaches. Is Matt LaFleur the new GOAT because he has a .809 winning %?

Now to the uninitiated it may appear that BB's ex-Brady record is less than 50% while Brady's win record is more than 75%, we have to make some adjustments.

Yeah but if you exclude the Browns tenure (36-44) (since Art wasn't fair to him) and you exclude 2000 (5-11), and first 2 games of 2001
(0-2) since it was his first year and a bit at Pats and he was rebuilding and was still warming up. And you exclude games 3 and 4 of 2017 (1-1) since poor guy was forced to go to Brissett as 3rd QB and that's unfair. And you of course exclude 2020 (7-9), and first 6 games of 2021 (3-3), since he's rebuilding and rebuilding the team ended after 6 games of second season.

Then BB without Brady is:

2008: 11-5
2017: 2-0 (you exclude the 3rd and 4th game with Brissett starting because come on, that's just unfair, going to 3rd QB)
2020: 8-2 (after game 6)

Equals 21 - 7. That's 21/28 = 75.0% winning record. 75.0%!! That's amazing. And I didn't manipulate any numbers to make BB look good. While Brady through his 315 career games ONLY has 242-73 a 76.8% win percentage, which may appear more than BB's win percentage, but this number needs to be adjusted. Belichick's genius defense probably contributed to at least half the wins. So Brady's ACTUAL record ex-Belichick genius is more like 121-73 (removing half the wins) and hence 121/194 = 62.3%. As you can now see, Belichick's true adjusted ex-Brady winning record is 75% while Brady's ex-BB-genius is 62.3%. The math is indisputable and 75 > 62.

So BB wins.
 
I really don't understand this agenda some posters are trying to push over here about BB's record without Brady. As far as I am concerned if you take 2008, 2020 and 2021 ( 3years without Brady ) his record is 28-20. If you take the 4 games Brady was suspended then it it 31-21. In my book that shows he is winning without Brady !!
Why this is so important right now I have no idea. True Patriot fans should be over the moon that we are back in the playoffs. I know I am. I could care less what the Bucs are doing , I am really happy that we are playing in January and the future is bright for this team. If some of you hate that idea or can't get on board with this team then stop posting over here and being Debbie downers towards people that really love this team and it's coaches !!
 
Now to the uninitiated it may appear that BB's ex-Brady record is less than 50% while Brady's win record is more than 75%, we have to make some adjustments.

Yeah but if you exclude the Browns tenure (36-44) (since Art wasn't fair to him) and you exclude 2000 (5-11), and first 2 games of 2001
(0-2) since it was his first year and a bit at Pats and he was rebuilding and was still warming up. And you exclude games 3 and 4 of 2017 (1-1) since poor guy was forced to go to Brissett as 3rd QB and that's unfair. And you of course exclude 2020 (7-9), and first 6 games of 2021 (3-3), since he's rebuilding and rebuilding the team ended after 6 games of second season.

Then BB without Brady is:

2008: 11-5
2017: 2-0 (you exclude the 3rd and 4th game with Brissett starting because come on, that's just unfair, going to 3rd QB)
2020: 8-2 (after game 6)

Equals 21 - 7. That's 21/28 = 75.0% winning record. 75.0%!! That's amazing. And I didn't manipulate any numbers to make BB look good. While Brady through his 315 career games ONLY has 242-73 a 76.8% win percentage, which may appear more than BB's win percentage, but this number needs to be adjusted. Belichick's genius defense probably contributed to at least half the wins. So Brady's ACTUAL record ex-Belichick genius is more like 121-73 (removing half the wins) and hence 121/194 = 62.3%. As you can now see, Belichick's true adjusted ex-Brady winning record is 75% while Brady's ex-BB-genius is 62.3%. The math is indisputable and 75 > 62.

So BB wins.
You remain an idiot.
 
I hope that all the snowflakes don't melt when I point this out, but Bill is 4 games under .500 without TB. Like I said, it's about the players, not the coaches. Is Matt LaFleur the new GOAT because he has a .809 winning %?
I hope the snowflakes don’t melt when I point this out, but Bill only has a winning record with Tom Brady as his starting QB. And Matt Cassel. And Jimmy Garopollo. And Mac Jones.

And I hope that the snowflakes don‘t melt when I point this out, but Bill has a 0.500 record when Jacoby Brissett is his starting QB. And Vinny Testaverde.

I hope the snowflakes don’t melt when they realize that’s a lot of QBs that he’s 0.500 or above with. And that the QBs who actually sunk his record were 1) the guys that he inherited that ownership insisted play because they were hometown heroes or face of the franchise, or 2) the 3rd string QBs that were forced to start for a full season because one of the guys on the 0.500+ list was injured and the 2nd stringer was a guy from the first list who pulled an Antonio Brown when he was benched which caused Bill to cut him.
 
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I hope that all the snowflakes don't melt when I point this out, but Bill is 4 games under .500 without TB. Like I said, it's about the players, not the coaches. Is Matt LaFleur the new GOAT because he has a .809 winning %?
Hey little man. Tommy is gone. Deal with it


 
You have to realize that the Bradyites are an insecure lot. When they are not disparaging Bill, they are disparaging Rodgers, Mahomes, Manning, Brees, etc - just peruse through the Bucs thread. Nothing can touch their Tommy.

Their Tommy yesterday proved once again why he’s the GOAT; your small, noodle-armed, former pre-teen model who had the Easiest season for a QB in College Football History and who then stepped right into an offense with which he was Already thoroughly familiar didn’t prove a ****ing thing yesterday.

See how that can work, Mrs Jones?
 
I appreciate Bill Belichick.
There, that should put this thread back on track. ;)
 
I'm fine with the Brady love. Whatever.

It's the Brady > BB crap and BB sucks w/o Brady I take issue with.

Agreed 1,000 percent. I'm sensing those pushing the latter narrative are getting nervous of late because (A) the Patriots are experiencing success and (B) the veritable all-star team constructed around Brady last year is experiencing attrition exacerbated by mediocre coaching. I still think Tom has enough weapons for postseason success, however.
 
Their Tommy yesterday proved once again why he’s the GOAT; your small, noodle-armed, former pre-teen model who had the Easiest season for a QB in College Football History and who then stepped right into an offense with which he was Already thoroughly familiar didn’t prove a ****ing thing yesterday.

See how that can work, Mrs Jones?

Why?
 
Agreed 1,000 percent. I'm sensing those pushing the latter narrative are getting nervous of late because (A) the Patriots are experiencing success and (B) the veritable all-star team constructed around Brady last year is experiencing attrition exacerbated by mediocre coaching. I still think Tom has enough weapons for postseason success, however.
I think he does as well. Until another QB in the NFC can prove they can win in the playoffs, it's TB to lose.
 
Their Tommy yesterday proved once again why he’s the GOAT; your small, noodle-armed, former pre-teen model who had the Easiest season for a QB in College Football History and who then stepped right into an offense with which he was Already thoroughly familiar didn’t prove a ****ing thing yesterday.

See how that can work, Mrs Jones?
Captain. I get the sense you love being a contrarian. In this case, I think it’s disingenuous to dismiss Jones.

Sure, he played with a highly talented team in college. But many QBs have played on stacked college teams. Some become winners in the pros, others don’t. Mac isn’t a HoFer. But he’s a rookie who has an excellent completion % (a percentage that would be higher, imo, if not for quite a few drops this season) and his team is going to the playoffs at 10-6.

I like the pick and the player. I also like the way he’s being used / brought along. Seems like a sharp kid with a good work ethic and a handle of where he fits in the Locker.

I think you like Mac more than this post suggests.
 
Their Tommy yesterday proved once again why he’s the GOAT; your small, noodle-armed, former pre-teen model who had the Easiest season for a QB in College Football History and who then stepped right into an offense with which he was Already thoroughly familiar didn’t prove a ****ing thing yesterday.

I'm confused by this post. You refer to "their Tommy" then throw tons of shade at Mac Jones, suggesting you're neither a Bucs nor Pats fan. Is there a team you support or just here for equal-opportunity spewage?
 
I don't see any way around GB for TB, not with all their missing or injured players.

If the Pats win the SB they'll probably have to beat GB with a great QB and the best active HC with a 39-9 career record and a .809 winning %.
That would be a pretty large feather in Belichick's cap
 
Their Tommy yesterday proved once again why he’s the GOAT; your small, noodle-armed, former pre-teen model who had the Easiest season for a QB in College Football History and who then stepped right into an offense with which he was Already thoroughly familiar didn’t prove a ****ing thing yesterday.

See how that can work, Mrs Jones?

LOL, Tommy threw a winning TD pass against the Jete - that's something to thump your chest about? Tell me this - why did Brady struggle for most of the game?
 
Hey little man. Tommy is gone. Deal with it




He can't deal with it - that's why he and others spend 95% of their time on the Bucs board. For some reason, Tommy is their only sense of happiness.
 


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