Man in the Arena Discussion

[sb1]

LOL. It did more for his legacy than any other win in his career because he did it away from Bill in year one. Only him and Peyton Manning have done it in the SB era and only Brady has been SB MVP of 2 teams and of course he did it in another conference.

And proved it was his talent and not Bill’s so called magical “system” that was the real prime ingredient for the dynasty. Brady won the Super bowl dominating a team and QB that has never been dominated in his career like that. While Bill’s team and that “system” not only missed the playoffs they were not competitive for much of the season.

Bill is one of the all time greats possibly the greatest- but Brady proved there was never any system here that can win with anyone.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This is what Manning said:
"That was interesting," Manning said Sunday on SportsCenter. "I've talked to Tom at different times, but never really about that actual decision. He seems happy, he seems excited. I'm a little surprised he jumped over to the NFC. I always see Tom Brady as an AFC guy, so he's going to have to go through initiation to learn the ropes of the NFC."

What Manning is saying is Brady played 20 years in the AFC with an unbelievable amount of intel on the AFC teams given how often he played them. To go over to the NFC to teams he only saw once every four years represented a huge learning curve, not to mention the Covid restrictions which cancelled the off-season. That is what made his run to title #7 truly historic - he left Bill, left the AFC, went to a new system, an offensive-minded HC, no off-season, year one, a team that was 7-9 and had not made the playoffs in 13 years, torn MCL ... and he won the whole DAMN thing beating Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes. MIC DROP.

His path to the Super Bowl last year included Taylor Heinicke, an obviously gimpy Drew Brees, and Mahomes who had turf toe. You're making out last year's SB run to be bigger than it really was.

His greatest moment as a player was SB 51. There is no debating that. And as "patriots fan," you should agree.

 

[amfootball]

His path to the Super Bowl last year included Taylor Heinicke, an obviously gimpy Drew Brees, and Mahomes who had turf toe. You're making out last year's SB win to be bigger than it really was.

LOL. You really look ridiculous now.

 

[sb1]

I don’t know if anyone mentioned it but there was a nod to spygate where we found out Bill told the team it had nothing to do with them it was all on him to deal with.

 

[TheRainMaker]

But then I hear these stories about how BB reached out to Tom about Moss and LaFell (not sure about Sanu or Brown) so not sure if Tom wanted more out of the partnership or if the partnership had deteriorated and he didn't want to be just a spoke in the wheel.

Makes you wonder if he really was mad when Branch was traded. Branch was holding out, so that wasn’t a surprise to Tom. I’m starting doubt that Bill didn’t consult Tom on possibly trading his most trusted WR if they couldn’t come to terms.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

but Brady proved there was never any system here that can win with anyone.

The fact that Mac is playing so well here proves you wrong. Not only that, the Pats played winning football with Cassel, Brissett, and Jimmy G.

 

[sb1]

The fact that Mac is playing so well here proves you wrong. Not only that, the Pats played winning football with Cassel, Brissett, and Jimmy G.

No I don’t think so. The coach simply needs talented players to win like any other coach and he’s got them now. He didn’t last year and they weren’t winners. There’s no Belichick winning system that can turn crap into gold it’s a fabrication.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

LOL. You really look ridiculous now.

Prove me wrong - the Bucs barely beat Taylor Heinicke (and this year's loss to WFT proves that it was no fluke). And Drew Brees was coming off of what, 11 rib fractures and a collapsed lung? A healthy Brees dominates the Bucs, as he did twice in regular season.

 

[TheRainMaker]

His path to the Super Bowl last year included Taylor Heinicke, an obviously gimpy Drew Brees, and Mahomes who had turf toe. You're making out last year's SB run to be bigger than it really was.

Fans downplay the path the Pats have had over the years with zero resistance in their division, HFA and only needing two wins routinely to get to the Super Bowl.

 

[amfootball]

Prove me wrong - the Bucs barely beat Taylor Heinicke (and this year's loss to WFT proves that it was no fluke). And Drew Brees was coming off of what, 11 rib fractures and a collapsed lung? A healthy Brees dominates the Bucs, as he did twice in regular season.

Brady proved you wrong. Brady shredded the WFT defense which was the second ranked pass defense. The Bucs D was horrible in that game. They won because of Brady. Brees was healthy for the divisional game. He had come back from injury during the regular season and again, Brady was playing the Saints D who had gotten the best of him in the regular season but not that night, he was flawless.

I mean I have no idea where you are going with this. Brady put up 30+ in every single post-season game which is a NFL record for the post-season and he was named SB MVP to boot AND he had a torn MCL.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady proved you wrong. Brady shredded the WFT defense which was the second ranked pass defense. The Bucs D was horrible in that game. They won because of Brady. Brees was healthy for the divisional game. He had come back from injury during the regular season and again, Brady was playing the Saints D who had gotten the best of him in the regular season but not that night, he was flawless.

I mean I have no idea where you are going with this. Brady put up 30+ in every single post-season game which is a NFL record for the post-season and he was named SB MVP to boot AND he had a torn MCL.

OMG, first you said it was impressive that Brady beat Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes. Then when I mention one of his playoff wins was against Taylor Heinicke and a clearly injured Drew Brees, you start talking about their defenses. Gimme a break.

No one is saying what he did wasn't impressive. However, it wasn't his most impressive season and adds just a little bit to his legacy. Most impressive game was SB 51 and most impressive season was 2001 when he won his first year as a starter.

WHile Brady is having an MVP year, he has a grand total of 6 TDs and 3 picks vs the very best teams on their schedule, including Dallas, Rams, NE, and Indy. Hopefully, he'll step up tomorrow since we need him to.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

And proved it was his talent and not Bill’s so called magical “system” that was the real prime ingredient for the dynasty. Brady won the Super bowl dominating a team and QB that has never been dominated in his career like that. While Bill’s team and that “system” not only missed the playoffs they were not competitive for much of the season.

Bill is one of the all time greats possibly the greatest- but Brady proved there was never any system here that can win with anyone.

No that isn't what it proved. Yes we know he's one of a kind, but he joined the most talent-laden team in the league. If he joined a team with comparable weapons and OL as he had with the Pats, he ends up losing in the 1st round like he did with us his last year.

 

[amfootball]

No one is saying what he did wasn't impressive.

LOL. That is exactly what you have been saying.

 

[amfootball]

No that isn't what it proved. Yes we know he's one of a kind, but he joined the most talent-laden team in the league. If he joined a team with comparable weapons and OL as he had with the Pats, he ends up losing in the 1st round like he did with us his last year.

Not even remotely true.

Bucs' owner: Brady changed our culture

TAMPA, Fla. — The latest viral Tom Brady tweet featured the seven-time Super Bowl champion brandishing a tattoo of Bucs coach Bruce Arians on his outer left knee.

www.eagletribune.com

 

[40yrpatsfan]

This is what Manning said:
"That was interesting," Manning said Sunday on SportsCenter. "I've talked to Tom at different times, but never really about that actual decision. He seems happy, he seems excited. I'm a little surprised he jumped over to the NFC. I always see Tom Brady as an AFC guy, so he's going to have to go through initiation to learn the ropes of the NFC."

What Manning is saying is Brady played 20 years in the AFC with an unbelievable amount of intel on the AFC teams given how often he played them. To go over to the NFC to teams he only saw once every four years represented a huge learning curve, not to mention the Covid restrictions which cancelled the off-season. That is what made his run to title #7 truly historic - he left Bill, left the AFC, went to a new system, an offensive-minded HC, no off-season, year one, a team that was 7-9 and had not made the playoffs in 13 years, torn MCL ... and he won the whole DAMN thing beating Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes. MIC DROP.

Pretty amazing. I don't think many people thought he & the Bucs were much of a threat till that 40-yd td pass that closed the 1st half of the GB game. Then they beat NO who had pummeled them twice in the RS. Then to crush the favored Chiefs in the SB (which tbh he did have a lot of experience doing that).

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Not even remotely true.

Bucs' owner: Brady changed our culture

TAMPA, Fla. — The latest viral Tom Brady tweet featured the seven-time Super Bowl champion brandishing a tattoo of Bucs coach Bruce Arians on his outer left knee.

www.eagletribune.com

Yes he brought a lot of intangibles, but the Bucs have a SB level roster with a veteran coach and excellent GM. Brady brought the same intangibles to the Pats 2 years ago and we lost in the 1st round and were going downhill for weeks. So him winning in TB doesn't prove in any way that it was just him and not BB as well that drove the dynasty.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

LOL. That is exactly what you have been saying.

When did I say that? All I said it didn't add "much" to his legacy, meaning his legacy is already high and the TB super bowl only adds to it by an incremental margin.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

His path to the Super Bowl last year included Taylor Heinicke, an obviously gimpy Drew Brees, and Mahomes who had turf toe. You're making out last year's SB run to be bigger than it really was.

His greatest moment as a player was SB 51. There is no debating that. And as "patriots fan," you should agree.

Why are you so obsessed with trying to diss tb12? Deal with it, the Bucs superbowl was surreal and catapulted him beyond any shadow of a doubt as being his own man outside of the patriot way

 

[RobertWeathers]

I dunno.

In terms of legacy building I put SB49 and 51 ahead of what he did in Tampa.

Yea he won w/o BB in Tampa but he officially became The GOAT with those two wins.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

No that isn't what it proved. Yes we know he's one of a kind, but he joined the most talent-laden team in the league. If he joined a team with comparable weapons and OL as he had with the Pats, he ends up losing in the 1st round like he did with us his last year.

Absolutely. People here keep referring to the fact that the Bucs were a 7-9 team without Brady, but they just conveniently leave off the fact that that team had Evans, Godwin, JPP, Suh, White, David, and a few other talented players already. Truth is Tampa in 2019 was 2 wins from getting a 7 seed had the NFL changed to the 7 team playoff format back then.