Joe Montana: Niners should've taken Mac Jones

[Wozzy]

Its already here. brady was drafted in 2000. Show me the list of QB's that played longer than any QB from the 80's and 90's. Brady is getting teh excuse, he was drafted in 2000 so show me all the others.

I just did, Drew Brees is #4 on the all-time list of games started, he also benefitted from the rule changes despite getting seriously injured early in his career when the rules were not so favorable to the QB.

 

[Pats1971]

My honest feeling is they didn't want to move on from Jimmy so they took a developmental guy. They really are a strange org.

Jimmy would be fine if he could stay healthy. He just cant. He does not have a huge ceiling but he would have been fine with the right players around him, but he just cant stay on the field. Its possible that fields will be fine, but at this point he is very raw.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Yes, and there’s a reason why Brady’s numbers have skyrocketed in the past 10 years compared to 2000-2006. It’s a different league today than it was back then and certainly compared to the 80s/90s. I mean throwing for 35 TDs was considered MVP like in 2000. Today, it’s routine.

I think these days the average NFL QB passer rating is something ridiculous like 95. So even though Mac is playing well they have him ranked maybe around 20th even though he's a 71% passer. All the QB stats have been inflated since 2005. And QBs are protected more, it was rare for QBs pre-2005 to play past age35 , now it's not uncommon.

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[Pats1971]

I just did, Drew Brees is #4 on the all-time list of games started, he also benefitted from the rule changes despite getting seriously injured early in his career when the rules were not so favorable to the QB.

So in the last 21 years, you could come up with 1 QB....how many QB's played to 40 in the 80's and 90's? I bet it was more than 1.

 

[Pats1971]

I think these days the average NFL QB passer rating is something ridiculous like 95. So even though Mac is playing well they have him ranked maybe around 20th even though he's a 71% passer. All the QB stats have been inflated since 2005. And QBs are protected more, it was rare for QBs pre-2005 to play past age35 , now it's not uncommon.

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Most all good Qb's played to 35 before 2005. There is no higher amount that do now. Again there is literal data out there and none of you can show it. lol

 

[Wozzy]

Mac was higher on the board than any QB left. lol He drafted chalk. He didnt take a projected 6th rounder or anything, he took the guy that was slated at that spot. I mean was there any pats fans in the world or hell a media member who did not think Bill woudl take him at 15 if he was there? you act like it was some great shock or something. OMG Bill took the Qb that would fit best with the team's offense at the spot they had a draft pick. Who else was a first round projected QB that was left?

Thats a load of crap. He took the best player on the board. If Mac was gone he wasn't just taking any QB available at 15, he simply wouldn't. He would have taken the best player available, likely Barmore and would have taken the next best QB available later Davis Mills at a position of value. Luck had nothing to do with it.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Most all good Qb's played to 35 before 2005. There is no higher amount that do now. Again there is literal data out there and none of you can show it. lol

A lot more QBs now play past age35 compared to pre-2005. I'm not going to waste my time finding the info when I know you aren't going to be evidence based anyways.

 

[Pats1971]

here is a list of the oldest QB's to play in the nfl.

1. george Blanda 1976 48
2. John Nessar 1921 45
3, Steve Deberg 1998 45
4. Tom Brady Present 44
5. Vinny T 2007 44
6. Waren Moon 43
7. Doug Flutie 43
8. Earl Morral 42
9. Drew brees 42
10. Bret Favre 41.

 

[Pats1971]

Thats a load of crap. He took the best player on the board. If Mac was gone he wasn't just taking any QB available at 15, he simply wouldn't. He would have taken the best player available, likely Barmore and would have taken the next best QB available later Davis Mills at a position of value. Luck had nothing to do with it.

I didnt say that. lol. I said he took the best Qb on the board. Did you even read my post? People are saying he was a genius for taking Mac at 15. Dude keep up with the subject. I said I dont know if he would have taken a different QB if mac was gone. He might have.

 

[Wozzy]

So in the last 21 years, you could come up with 1 QB....how many QB's played to 40 in the 80's and 90's? I bet it was more than 1.

I've lived long enough to see the difference in the way Troy Aikmen, Joe Montana, Dan Marino and others got destroyed versus QB's now. If you haven't lived long enough to witness it, that's a "you" problem.

That you think QB's get blown up now the way they used to back in the 90's and prior is a clownish take on a grand scale. Mac got hit by Randy Gregory on a whiffed block against the Cowboys, that was the rarest of hits nowadays, it used to happen multiple times in one weekend in the old days. Go watch the movie Concussion or ask your dad how it used to be... good grief.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Bill could have taken any QB available to him after Mac, he could have taken any player... he took Mac. A player many teams didn't think worthy of a first round grade. Now in hindsight it all seems so logical though.

It took brass balls for BB to sit at 15 and wait for Mac to come to them. Their intelligence and insight into the priorities of the teams picking in front and behind them justified their position. Talk about being patient and not going into a panic and overpaying to move up.

 

[Pats1971]

A lot more QBs now play past age35 compared to pre-2005. I'm not going to waste my time finding the info when I know you aren't going to be evidence based anyways.

False. If you are not going to bother to look it up then dont say it, because you are wrong.

 

[Wozzy]

here is a list of the oldest QB's to play in the nfl.

1. george Blanda 1976 48
2. John Nessar 1921 45
3, Steve Deberg 1998 45
4. Tom Brady Present 44
5. Vinny T 2007 44
6. Waren Moon 43
7. Doug Flutie 43
8. Earl Morral 42
9. Drew brees 42
10. Bret Favre 41.

Most of those guys sat on benches for long stretches at the end as backups, Blanda was a kicker. Also most of those guys are cripples now.

Brady could play until he's 50 or longer, he also played on the best team and behind the best O-Lines his two decades... but good examples.

 

[Wozzy]

It took brass balls for BB to sit at 15 and wait for Mac to come to them. Their intelligence and insight into the priorities of the teams picking in front and behind them justified their position. Talk about being patience and not going into a panic and overpaying to move up.

Like the guy who sat and watched the Seattle sideline panic in the Super Bowl without calling a timeout... luck I guess

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It took brass balls for BB to sit at 15 and wait for Mac to come to them. Their intelligence and insight into the priorities of the teams picking in front and behind them justified their position. Talk about being patience and not going into a panic and overpaying to move up.

Knowing how good Mac is, I would have traded up into the top 5 to get him in retrospect.

 

[Wozzy]

Knowing how good Mac is, I would have traded up into the top 5 to get him in retrospect.

Hindsight makes geniuses of us all.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Most of those guys sat on benches for long stretches at the end as backups, Blanda was a kicker. Also most of those guys are cripples now.

Brady could play until he's 50 or longer, he also played on the best team and behind the best O-Lines his two decades... but good examples.

Yeah his examples are some backups who did nothing. Meanwhile this decade was filled with starters well past age35.

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[DropKickFlutie]

Knowing how good Mac is, I would have traded up into the top 5 to get him in retrospect.

It worked out perfectly. I was ecstatic on draft day. Didn't have to trade extra and got our guy. If Mac wasn't there I would have gone defense with the pick.

 

[Pats1971]

I just did, Drew Brees is #4 on the all-time list of games started, he also benefitted from the rule changes despite getting seriously injured early in his career when the rules were not so favorable to the QB.

You named 1 player, if it affected all players, then why are there not a ton more? There are players from the 60's that played into their late 40's at QB.

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah his examples are some backups who did nothing. Meanwhile this decade was filled with starters well past age35.

Brett Farve, Dan Marino... anyone remember how hobbled they were at 40 years old? How many surgeries they went through... it's either millennial take or a Brady is magic take, not sure which?