PostGame Thread Official Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Texans

[Steve102]

The titans did lose to the jets last week and Pittsburgh beat Buffalo week one, same team that is now destroying everyone in their way. Weird stuff happens especially early on. Not gonna argue that we look bad right now but it’s a work in progress and hard to draw too many conclusions at this point,

These are the facts

 

[venecol]

Some O-line numbers from the Texan game:

They played great but the Texans had the #24 pressure % in the league. They're just not good at creating pressure. Texans were also allowing 137 rushing ypg, good for #28. They allowed 126 to the Pats. No surprise there.

Still, glad the scotch taped OL played well. It had the potential of being a disaster. They still have to fix OL.

DAL was #22 (thru 4 games) in pressure % but only allow 79 rushing ypg (#5). They're allowing 311 passing ypg (#31). Only the Bucs are worse. Mac needs to feast on their secondary.

 

[goheels22002]

Since Thanksgiving'19 this is a team with a 11-16 record. These are a different Patriots. The staff around BB isn't very good.

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This is what a rebuilding team looks like. Rookie QB, a year of cap hell (2020), coaches retiring and moving on to better jobs. Where they are today is all in the context of the last few years. Sure, we can debate whether it was a poor decision to pass on giving fully guaranteed money to a 43-year-old player in lieu of looking to the future.

But the coach changes? If you want to blame the coaching staff around Belichick, was it a bad thing that:
Joe Judge accepted a job as HC of the NY Giants?
Brian Flores accepted a job as HC of the Miami Dolphins?
Matt Patricia accepted a job as HC of the Detroit Lions?
Brian Daboll left to be OC at Alabama, and is now OC for Buffalo Bills?
Receivers Coach Chad Shea accepted an expanded role with the Dolphins and is now Passing Game Coordinator with the Browns?
And others left. The point is that Belichick builds careers for his assistants and helps them move onto the next level. That is a good thing. Nick Saban, Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Effin' Mangini, Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels, ,... who am I missing? These guys have had mixed success at various levels.

The devil is in the details. 2020 was restrained by Brady's cap hit along with dead money from Stephen Gostkowski and Antonio Brown leaving Belichick no options to fill holes. But so what? They're playing good football. What are your realistic expectations for 2021? I mean, seriously.

You have an interesting selection of time frame to make a point. Please don't include all of 2019. If you include all of 2019, their record was 21-17. They went 12-4 in 2019 and lost in the Wild Card round to the Titans after our hero threw a pick-six to end his Patriots career. It's not like we're some long-suffering losers up here or anything.

I guess before your time frame it was all show ponies and unicorns, to quote Zo. Well this team is far superior to the 1989 -1991 Patriots that went 12-36 at Sullivan Stadium. Those teams stunk, and it took Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick to come in here and put this franchise on track.

 

[Bill Lee]

Some food for thought...

 

[captain stone]

We drafted Cameron McGrone from Michigan and stashed him for the year. Great prospect at ILB.

Whatever you say, Steven.

 

[Sicilian]

Some food for thought...

Obligatory, "PFF is a half step above throwing darts at the wall". But a few things to piggy back off of in this tweet:

1) Damien Harris ran well, and I'm sure this grade is based on a percentage of good plays vs. bad plays. But when you fumble, it should hurt your grade more, because it's a killer (viability of that fumble not withstanding).

2) I actually do think Hightower had a decent game. He's had a slow start to the season for sure, but he was in on a number of good run stuffs yesterday, which is a step in the right direction.

 

[Patjew]

This is what a rebuilding team looks like. Rookie QB, a year of cap hell (2020), coaches retiring and moving on to better jobs. Where they are today is all in the context of the last few years. Sure, we can debate whether it was a poor decision to pass on giving fully guaranteed money to a 43-year-old player in lieu of looking to the future.

But the coach changes? If you want to blame the coaching staff around Belichick, was it a bad thing that:
Joe Judge accepted a job as HC of the NY Giants?
Brian Flores accepted a job as HC of the Miami Dolphins?
Matt Patricia accepted a job as HC of the Detroit Lions?
Brian Daboll left to be OC at Alabama, and is now OC for Buffalo Bills?
Receivers Coach Chad Shea accepted an expanded role with the Dolphins and is now Passing Game Coordinator with the Browns?
And others left. The point is that Belichick builds careers for his assistants and helps them move onto the next level. That is a good thing. Nick Saban, Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Effin' Mangini, Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels, ,... who am I missing? These guys have had mixed success at various levels.

The devil is in the details. 2020 was restrained by Brady's cap hit along with dead money from Stephen Gostkowski and Antonio Brown leaving Belichick no options to fill holes. But so what? They're playing good football. What are your realistic expectations for 2021? I mean, seriously.

You have an interesting selection of time frame to make a point. Please don't include all of 2019. If you include all of 2019, their record was 21-17. They went 12-4 in 2019 and lost in the Wild Card round to the Titans after our hero threw a pick-six to end his Patriots career. It's not like we're some long-suffering losers up here or anything.

I guess before your time frame it was all show ponies and unicorns, to quote Zo. Well this team is far superior to the 1989 -1991 Patriots that went 12-36 at Sullivan Stadium. Those teams stunk, and it took Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick to come in here and put this franchise on track.

Great post. That took some effort and was a good read!

 

[Patjew]

I don’t like those delayed handoffs. They don’t seem to work well to my untrained eyes.

I DO like when the OL pushes the RB forward for extra yardage. That’s big boy football.

 

[ashley]

Nice play by Donte here:

 

[DropKickFlutie]

This is what a rebuilding team looks like. Rookie QB, a year of cap hell (2020), coaches retiring and moving on to better jobs. Where they are today is all in the context of the last few years. Sure, we can debate whether it was a poor decision to pass on giving fully guaranteed money to a 43-year-old player in lieu of looking to the future.

But the coach changes? If you want to blame the coaching staff around Belichick, was it a bad thing that:
Joe Judge accepted a job as HC of the NY Giants?
Brian Flores accepted a job as HC of the Miami Dolphins?
Matt Patricia accepted a job as HC of the Detroit Lions?
Brian Daboll left to be OC at Alabama, and is now OC for Buffalo Bills?
Receivers Coach Chad Shea accepted an expanded role with the Dolphins and is now Passing Game Coordinator with the Browns?
And others left. The point is that Belichick builds careers for his assistants and helps them move onto the next level. That is a good thing. Nick Saban, Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Effin' Mangini, Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels, ,... who am I missing? These guys have had mixed success at various levels.

The devil is in the details. 2020 was restrained by Brady's cap hit along with dead money from Stephen Gostkowski and Antonio Brown leaving Belichick no options to fill holes. But so what? They're playing good football. What are your realistic expectations for 2021? I mean, seriously.

You have an interesting selection of time frame to make a point. Please don't include all of 2019. If you include all of 2019, their record was 21-17. They went 12-4 in 2019 and lost in the Wild Card round to the Titans after our hero threw a pick-six to end his Patriots career. It's not like we're some long-suffering losers up here or anything.

I guess before your time frame it was all show ponies and unicorns, to quote Zo. Well this team is far superior to the 1989 -1991 Patriots that went 12-36 at Sullivan Stadium. Those teams stunk, and it took Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick to come in here and put this franchise on track.

This is a really good post. Thank you.

Yeah the team has fallen off a cliff since the 2nd half of the 2019 season. And losing a lot of quality staff people is certainly a factor.

I think looking at this team which has been 11-16 since Thanksgiving'19, it shouldn't be controversial to say the staff around BB is not good.

1. front office drafting has been bad for several recent years except for the last 1-2 drafts. Ziegler is in over his head. Giving away Gilmore and spending $300M in free agency (164M guaranteed) seems like there isn't an overall strategy. Elevate Eliot Wolf and also Groh.
2. offense has averaged under 20 points per game since Thanksgiving'19. 31st in red zone offense now and 31st in run offense. 24th in scoring. This looks way too much like the Denver'10 loser offense and league-worst St Louis'11 offense. I'm all for bringing back O'Shea or O'Brien at offensive coordinator. Daboll is too hot as an oc and is a HC candidate, we can't get him now.
3. The Oline coach shouldn't even be in the NFL, going from Youngstown State to coaching the Patriot OLine? gtfo of here, who hired him? Stop with the oc's subIQ ohio/indiana connections, they make the organization way worse.

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[DropKickFlutie]

Nice play by Donte here:

Hightower is a 3-ring stud and just getting his legs back. Hightower will look amazing with Collins back playing next to him. Bench Bentley. Judon, Hightower, Collins, Van Noy at LB always and Philips/Dugger as the hybrid plug-ins. Bench Bentley.

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[Patjew]

Hightower is a 3-ring stud and just getting his legs back. Hightower will look amazing with Collins back playing next to him. Bench Bentley. Judon, Hightower, Collins, Van Noy at LB always and Philips/Dugger as the hybrid plug-ins. Bench Bentley.

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OK, but what should we do with Bentley?

 

[PScottman]

OK, but what should we do with Bentley?

I'm surprised you didn't ask twice.

But then you can just post it again...
and again...
and again...

 

[DropKickFlutie]

OK, but what should we do with Bentley?

Tough question. Trade away or bench? He has no long term future on a championship defense. I know it's not ideal as some of those draft classes look absolutely abysmal.

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[DropKickFlutie]

I'm surprised you didn't ask twice.

But then you can just post it again...
and again...
and again...

I'm happy to talk about the offense if you'd like.

=D

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[PatsWickedPissah]

Tell me again how good the 2019 offense was after October, how good the 2020 offense was, why the 2021 offense is 31st in red zone and 31st in run offense. Yes please tell me how good this crappy offense is. While you're at it tell me why the St Louis'11 Rams had the worst offense in the entire league and same with the Denver'10 offense.

Brady carried a fraud. Leftwich looks to be a way better oc honestly.

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NFW for 2020 at least. 2021 maybe. Watched almost every Bucs game last season. Leftwich's calls were not good before the bye. After the bye and Especially post season the offense changed markedly for the better. I credit TFB personally and more team familiarity.

 

[jlu52]

Why are they barely beating the Texans then? I think we can agree their roster is one of the 5 worst in the nfl. Mills had more than 300 passing yards and 3 TD. More passing yards than against Bills and panthers together

Any given Sunday, and they did come out very flat, no matter the reason. I hope and expect improvement going forward, what will be will be.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

After the bye and Especially post season the offense changed markedly for the better.

So then, fantastic game plan adustments by Byron Leftwich where they kept getting better as the season went on and then on straight fire in the playoffs. And this year averaging 34 points per game (#2 in the league) and #1 passing offense at 350 yards a game. Leftwich on the Bucs is the best OC in the league besides Daboll and probably the top HC candidate to take the Jax job. Leftwich looks to be an incredible offensive coordinator. Meanwhile the Pats have been 11-16 since Thanksgiving'19 and averaging under 20 points per game the last 2.5 years.....

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[Nehalem]

This is a really good post. Thank you.

Yeah the team has fallen off a cliff since the 2nd half of the 2019 season. And losing a lot of quality staff people is certainly a factor.

I think looking at this team which has been 11-16 since Thanksgiving'19, it shouldn't be controversial to say the staff around BB is not good.

1. front office drafting has been bad for several recent years except for the last 1-2 drafts. Ziegler is in over his head. Giving away Gilmore and spending $300M in free agency (164M guaranteed) seems like there isn't an overall strategy. Elevate Eliot Wolf and also Groh.
2. offense has averaged under 20 points per game since Thanksgiving'19. 31st in red zone offense now and 31st in run offense. 24th in scoring. This looks way too much like the Denver'10 loser offense and league-worst St Louis'11 offense. I'm all for bringing back O'Shea or O'Brien at offensive coordinator. Daboll is too hot as an oc and is a HC candidate, we can't get him now.
3. The Oline coach shouldn't even be in the NFL, going from Youngstown State to coaching the Patriot OLine? gtfo of here, who hired him? Stop with the oc's subIQ ohio/indiana connections, they make the organization way worse.

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For 3. The original OL coach was let go due to refusal to take COVID vaccine.

 

[ashley]

Great news!!