Brady: I wouldn't have had the success I've had without Bill

[SHOWTIME15]

This is a football forum. As long as people are discussing football, who are you to dictate what people choose to believe and discuss. Maybe you should leave since you follow the Washington Nationals, Capitals, Wizards and DC United.

Nobody listens to you anyway so fv&k the fv&k off assh0!e

No one listens to me except you and your goon squad of Ice Ice Brady, Tony, WB7676, and a few others. You guys seem to respond to EVERYTHING that I write. And as I mentioned before, it's basically the same group that targeted me on the covid threads.

Where's that poll?

 

[Vindicate]

This place has been insufferable as of lately.

 

[203Pat]

It is good to see both of them taking the high road and publicly praising the other. I hope they hug it out tonight and help end this side show.

 

[dtbrks]

This place has been insufferable as of lately.

I come here less and less now. I leave here frustrated every time I read something on here.

 

[DaBruinz]

Oh ok.

Yeah. OK.. Lying turd. You made up the claim that Belichick told the Herman he had put his house on the market. You've since tripled down on it and you're still wrong and you continue to lie about what others are saying. That's the sign of someone with mythomania. Otherwise known as being a pathological liar.

 

[DaBruinz]

I have no way of knowing who or what a Mike Westhoff is before I read the article.

Geez.

Uh huh.. Sure.. And I have Ocean front property in New Mexico. SMH. What's laughable is that you kept defending yourself and LYING about what was said.

 

[DaBruinz]

You’re on the right track. Assistant Coaches with the Pats were panicking and thought the entire Coaching staff (including Bill) were going to get canned after the 0-2 start.

The problem with this claim is that @MahomestoHill claims this was said PRIOR to the Jets game. Which is false. The quote from Westhoff mentions nothing about Belichick telling Herman he was putting his house on the market. That's a complete fabrication.

I'd love to see YOUR link to this claim that Asst. Coaches on the Pats were "panicking". It goes against everything Belichick told the PLAYERS in 2000 and 2001. That it was going to be a long haul to get things turned around. That they needed to follow the plan and change the culture of the team and that would take time.. It flies against the idea that Pats Coaches were panicking..

OH. BTW, Westhoff has never worked for Belichick. Westhoff was with the DOLPHINS from 1996-2000. So why would he have "come with Belichick from the Jets"??

 

[sb1]

It is good to see both of them taking the high road and publicly praising the other. I hope they hug it out tonight and help end this side show.

Yup. And I think they will.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

The reason why I say that is Im not doubting he is a great coach but his temperament and the way he deals with people in the org and the media. Playing the political game. That’s what got him run from Cleveland not his W-L record. They never forgave him for Kosar and Bill didn’t care about that. The media despised him and they kind of do here too.

Say he was hired by someone like Jerruh. No way he lasts long if Bill is Bill and they don’t win.

We also know now how Kraft felt about him. That doesn’t bode well for a long career in NE if he didn’t start winning soon.

To your last point Kraft had BB in the building a few years earlier and decided to offer up draft compensation to bring him back. Even if you believe wickersham that leak tells us nothing of the relationship circa 2000.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I'd love to see YOUR link to this claim that Asst. Coaches on the Pats were "panicking". It goes against everything Belichick told the PLAYERS in 2000 and 2001. That it was going to be a long haul to get things turned around. That they needed to follow the plan and change the culture of the team and that would take time.. It flies against the idea that Pats Coaches were panicking..

I didn’t provide it for a reason because the board will dismiss it and it was on a national sports show. Not ESPN. Host was friends with one of the assistants on the Pats staff that told him.

OH. BTW, Westhoff has never worked for Belichick. Westhoff was with the DOLPHINS from 1996-2000. So why would he have "come with Belichick from the Jets"??

My mistake.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

No one l

This guy changed his username, who used to be this poster ??? Curious

 

[Guts]

This guy changed his username, who used to be this poster ??? Curious

Tommybrady12

 

[mikey m]

That poster is a maniac

Yes, but he's our maniac.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

To your last point Kraft had BB in the building a few years earlier and decided to offer up draft compensation to bring him back. Even if you believe wickersham that leak tells us nothing of the relationship circa 2000.

No way Kraft would have taken out bb after he gave up so many picks to get BB.

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[cmasspatsfan]

No way Kraft would have taken out bb after he gave up so many picks to get BB.

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I thought BB and RK had a five year plan to get to the super bowl. I don't buy that he would have been fired after year 2.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

This forum will be better when 28 year old mods aren’t allowed to have so much power

and this forum will be better when brady and Belichick retire. Both sides too divided

 

[carmelo15]

Stop being foolish. The guy was a sixth round pick. He wasn’t a second or third rounder. If the Pats didn’t draft him, he might not have been drafted at all. What sixth or seventh round QB pick or undrafted free agent even gets much of a shot to prove himself before he is sent packing. Belichick saw enough potential to make him the fourth QB on the roster, but how many teams would carry four QBs?

Let’s not pretend Brady came into the league as the GOAT. Few teams felt he could make it in the NFL and a lot of head coaches wouldn’t have even given him a shot. And who knows if anyone would have picked him up after being cut?

Romo, Warner, Warren Moon, Jeff Garcia, Delhomme, Hoyer, and Case Keenan all were undrafted and made it in the league. But no the GOAT had no chance if he wasn’t drafted here

 

[catent]

You cannot find a quote from anyone saying anything close to that bunch of BS so you'd rather elaborate.

Actually it's you, the Belichick-ite, that bashes Brady like a princess left at the alter.

There are plenty of people with a clear preference for one or the other and the confirmation bias comes out. I assume it's because the cognitive dissonance of watching Brady succeed elsewhere combined with the Pats' recent struggles is uncomfortable, so instead of being OK with the fact that sometimes things happen in life that aren't ideal, folks direct those negative emotions towards either Brady or Belichick.

My gut-reaction last season was to be anti-Brady, because it viscerally hurt seeing him succeed elsewhere. I've tried my best to check those emotions and be objective, and I still love Tom, he's the GOAT, but it's been hard.

I'm a Patriots' fan first and foremost, and therefore my inclination is to support Belichick as the coach of this team. Is he perfect? No. Do I think he deserves a tremendous amount of credit for the team's sustained success over the past two decades? Absolutely. Is there any other coach I'd rather have? Absolutely not.

This week has been good. Besides the fact that it sucks to lose, I was really happy to see how Belichick and Brady handled themselves. My gut feeling is that Belichick may have issued a bit of a mea culpa to Brady postgame, basically something along the lines of, "hey, look, I was wrong to not guarantee you a contract beyond 'x' year -- you clearly still have it, you earned that right, and you deserved that opportunity and commitment from us". I have no idea what was said, though, just speculating ... and regardless of Brady, it's hard not to feel very excited about Mac moving into the future.

My final thought in this post:

If you have to pick one quarterback to win you the biggest game of your life, who are you going to pick? Tom Brady.
If you have to pick one coach to win you the biggest game of your life, who are you going to pick. Bill Belichick.

They're both the GOAT at their respective positions.

 

[catent]

Romo, Warner, Warren Moon, Jeff Garcia, Delhomme, Hoyer, and Case Keenan all were undrafted and made it in the league. But no the GOAT had no chance if he wasn’t drafted here

There are countless late draft pick/UDFA washouts, practice squad players, etc. So much of success comes down to opportunity, and Brady would tell you that.

No one is arguing that Brady didn't maximize his opportunity in every sense, nor is anyone arguing that had Brady been drafted elsewhere that he wouldn't have worked his tail off and potentially found success, but there's no guarantee that he, a.) gets the opportunity to play meaningful snaps, and/or, b.) is coached well enough to elevate his game to an elite level. Again, Brady gets the overwhelming majority of the credit for his on-field play and accomplishments, but his success (and development into the player he has become) is absolutely due in some part to the coaching he has received.

And even with all of that said, I don't think Belichick had some masterplan that ended up with Brady being the GOAT all mapped out. Belichick deserves credit for drafting Brady and carrying him on the roster, but who knows how things go if Bledsoe doesn't get knocked out. Is it still likely Brady soon becomes the starter? Yes. But as with everything in life, so many things are mutually dependent and deterministic; that's what makes the Patriots run over two decades so breathtaking and awesome (in the true sense of the word) - it took exceptional coaching, playing, management, a lot of good fortune and the universe aligning itself for that run to happen.

 

[catent]

I come here less and less now. I leave here frustrated every time I read something on here.

This place has been insufferable as of lately.

Ditto, and I regret the role I've played in it, I definitely have my fair share of bad posts but I've been trying to actively remind myself to give others the benefit of the doubt, check my assumptions, and be less cynical/mean-spirited.

I was off the forum the entire week leading up to the Tampa game - this is my first time back on it since the Sunday morning before the New Orleans game. I feel like the forum's discourse reflects the modern political sphere, where narratives are driven based on headlines/talking points that aren't particularly thoughtful, nuanced, nor a detailed reflection of reality. A sort of binary, catchphrase, "gotcha" atmosphere, and it's been tiresome, to be sure.

I hope that - having this game behind everyone, seeing both men handle the week very well, being treated to a fantastic game of football that in many ways highlighted the best in both Brady and Belichick, and seeing great reason for optimism in the future with Mac at quarterback - will help to ease intraforum acrimony over the Brady situation. I love Tom Brady and I'm very excited about the Patriots' future with Mac Jones.