Drew Bledsoe: "Give Cam Newton a Full Year"

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This seems like a curious example. Mahomes sat a year and seems like he might be the most credible challenger in the future for Brady as GOAT (although I doubt he makes it).

So? The best one happened to have sat a year. What about Watson, Carr, Prescott, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Tannehill, and Stafford? And promising starts by Allen, Herbert, Mayfield, and Murray?

Luck, one of the highest ranked QB prospects ever, starts immediately, suffers a gigantic number of serious injuries and unexpectedly retires early. This example would seem a slam dunk case for sitting a year.

Slam dunk? This has a weak - at best - causal relationship. Luck started out fine, and would be an argument for starting year one, before issues with injuries/injury management cut his career short. His major, career altering injuries weren’t even suffered his rookie year. This take is so far off.

There are counter examples (P. Manning, Marino), but I still see more success stories from QBs that don’t start immediately.

It’s changed a lot in the last 10 years. I used to be in the same boat as you, but QBs are often more NFL ready. History doesn’t mean much nowadays unless you’re talking about the same type of league. Hey, if you like football history, Sammy Baugh (1937) and Bob Waterfield (1945) won championships and were likely MVPs their rookie years. Has about as much meaning as people digging into the 1980s and 1990s, considering all the changes since then.

 

[Steve102]

 

[stcjones]

"Drew Bledsoe... said that he'd like to see Newton play a full year in New England's offense after a challenging 2020 campaign for both the player and the team.

"I think they've got to let Cam go a little bit. And I would really like to see Cam get a full year," Bledsoe said. "Last year, the cupboard was kind of empty up there, and I think everybody recognizes that now. There wasn't a lot in terms of weapons for him. They went out and got some weapons, and I think it'd be great to see Cam get back out there and show why he was an NFL MVP."

Bledsoe offers interesting take on Patriots' QB competition

Drew Bledsoe offers his take on whether Cam Newton or Mac Jones should be the Patriots’ starting quarterback during the 2021 NFL season.

www.nbcsports.com

I still don’t think the guy can make the plays and is still making slow reads and taking way too long to get rid of the ball….

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I still don’t think the guy can make the plays and is still making slow reads and taking way too long to get rid of the ball….

But Bill is in love with him and you know what the adage say: love is blindness

 

[Zuma]

"Give Cam Newton a Full Year...Riding the Bench"​

 

[Lagaffe_07]

"Give Cam Newton a Full Year...Riding the Bench"​

Amen

 

[zydecochris]

Well, I don't think it would have mattered in Luck's case. They didn't protect him throughout his time there.

Well, that is hard to argue. Luck is my best example of what happens when a super promising QB prospect goes to a crappy organization, it is remarkable how an organization like the Colts went from so good during most of P. Mannings tenure under GM Polian (where in many years they were considered the most talented team in the NFL) to the Grigson GM years where the organization was remarkable only in its incompetence.

Who knows how good Luck could have been if he had gone to a good organization in 2012 like the Pats, Ravens, Steelers, or the Reid Chiefs?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

But Bill is in love with him and you know what the adage say: love is blindness

Bill Belichick is so cut throat, objective, and puts the team winning above all else. He kept a young nobody in Brady as a 4th QB which used up an extra roster spot for a year, and made the unknown guy the starting QB despite the incumbent QB being a star Pro Bowl QB on a massive contract who also the owner loved and had a great relationship with this star QB Bledsoe.

So if BB goes with Cam, would you be willing to admit Cam is the best for the team and support it ?

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Bill Belichick is so cut throat, objective, and puts the team winning above all else. He kept a young nobody in Brady as a 4th QB which used up an extra roster spot for a year, and made the unknown guy the starting QB despite the incumbent QB being a star Pro Bowl QB on a massive contract who also the owner loved and had a great relationship with this star QB Bledsoe.

So if BB goes with Cam, would you be willing to admit Cam is the best for the team and support it ?

No because not like you I think Bill makes wrong decision. I don’t drink the cool aid and say that everything Bill does is the right thing.

for 20 years Bill has been a no excuse guy and yet last year, he was an excuse machine. I never saw him makes so many excuses for a player than for Cam.

 

[NormZauchin]

Bill Belichick is so cut throat, objective, and puts the team winning above all else. He kept a young nobody in Brady as a 4th QB which used up an extra roster spot for a year, and made the unknown guy the starting QB despite the incumbent QB being a star Pro Bowl QB on a massive contract who also the owner loved and had a great relationship with this star QB Bledsoe.

So if BB goes with Cam, would you be willing to admit Cam is the best for the team and support it ?

Bill did not start Brady ahead of Bledsoe at the beginning of the 2001 season, even though Belichick subsequently admitted publicly that Tom had outperformed Drew in training camp.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Luck is my best example of what happens when a super promising QB prospect goes to a crappy organization

49ers were a laughing stock and then became good when Joe Montana arrived.
Bills were a laughing stock and then became good when Jim Kelly arrived.
Colts were a laughing stock and then became good when Peyton Manning arrived.
Saints were a laughing stock and then became good when Drew Brees arrived.
Seahawks were a laughing stock and then became good when Russell Wilson arrived.
Bucs were a laughing stock and then became good when Tom Brady arrived.

These teams were all considered to be crappy organizations with dumb GMs, idiot coaches, etc. Every one of them. Few or zero championships, huge stretches of incompetence.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Of course I will. I've rooted for them since the days of Secules and Millen. I'm fine with Cam. I just don't think he deserves to be the starter just flat out.

 

[Ring 6]

So if they had no business winning 7 games last year, seems like it's reasonable to expect Cam and the team would be even better this year with better pass catchers and no covid fog.

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There was no covid fog, he was ASYMPTOMATIC he said so himself. Stop making excuses. At least you accept he played like crap now you just need to drop the excuses.

 

[Ring 6]

49ers were a laughing stock and then became good when Joe Montana arrived.
Bills were a laughing stock and then became good when Jim Kelly arrived.
Colts were a laughing stock and then became good when Peyton Manning arrived.
Saints were a laughing stock and then became good when Drew Brees arrived.
Seahawks were a laughing stock and then became good when Russell Wilson arrived.
Bucs were a laughing stock and then became good when Tom Brady arrived.

These teams were all considered to be crappy organizations with dumb GMs, idiot coaches, etc. Every one of them. Few or zero championships, huge stretches of incompetence.

Everyone of those teams also had new coaches just before, as or just after changing QBs.

 

[Ring 6]

But Bill is in love with him and you know what the adage say: love is blindness

Belichick is in love with winning.
He is also a smart football evaluator.
Whether he loves the personality of newton or not is irrrelevant. What we do know is there is no chance in hell he loves the crappy qb play that got him a 7-9 last year and therefore surely doesn’t love newton playing qb for him.

 

[zydecochris]

49ers were a laughing stock and then became good when Joe Montana arrived.
Bills were a laughing stock and then became good when Jim Kelly arrived.
Colts were a laughing stock and then became good when Peyton Manning arrived.
Saints were a laughing stock and then became good when Drew Brees arrived.
Seahawks were a laughing stock and then became good when Russell Wilson arrived.
Bucs were a laughing stock and then became good when Tom Brady arrived.

These teams were all considered to be crappy organizations with dumb GMs, idiot coaches, etc. Every one of them. Few or zero championships, huge stretches of incompetence.

To repeat the old joke: "don't confuse me with facts!"

It is true that many of the "good organizations" probably looked better because of a superior QB, and you made an excellent case to that point. Some of the coaches or GMs probably would have been mostly successful anyway without the great QB (I feel that way about BB for example), but as you point out one never really knows for sure.

Joe Montana arrived at about the same time as Bill Walsh. Do I think the Bill Walsh organization was excellent and would have succeeded even without Montana? Yes I do, but obviously your point is well taken, he wouldn't have looked nearly as good without Montana. Similarly, Sean Payton arrived at New Orleans at about the same time as Drew Brees, and doubtlessly some of his reputation as an offensive genius was due to Brees.

The case for the Bills and the Colts are similar, in both cases Bill Polian arrived about the same time as a superior QB, Kelly for the Bills and P. Manning for the Colts. Polian managed to build a winning team in both cases, indicating that the organization he headed was effective in both cases, but certainly he wouldn't have looked like such a great GM without Kelly and Manning.

Your case with Pete Carroll is one of your stronger ones, he was coach for two years with the Seahawks with lousy records and only became successful when Wilson arrived. Plus, he got the extra bonus of having Wilson on a super-cheap 3rd round contract enabling him lots of cap space to fill other positions.

And when it comes to the Bucs being a laughing stock until Tom Brady arrived and completely turned around the culture, I agree.

Good post.

 

[Pats1971]

No because not like you I think Bill makes wrong decision. I don’t drink the cool aid and say that everything Bill does is the right thing.

for 20 years Bill has been a no excuse guy and yet last year, he was an excuse machine. I never saw him makes so many excuses for a player than for Cam.

This in spades. In fact, Bill last year did things that us as fans used to laugh at other teams for doing. Going out day one of FA and overspending, not retaining players, etc etc. Now all of the sudden after 20 years of not doing that, and that was the right thing, now what he is doing which is opposite is now the right thing? Now I will say that losing a Qb like Brady after 19 years, is pretty devistating, but people had it in their minds that Bill could just roll his whistle out there with any QB and win superbowls, and its not the case. It might take years to find the next guy, becuase frankly they do not come around much.

 

[Pats1971]

Cam gives this team the best chance to win. Despite the WRs being bad.

If the 2 TEs can stay healthy, they should take pressure off the Little Rascals WR corp.

If thats true, we made a horrible mistake at QB drafting. Cam has looked awful and did again today. I mean I am not sure how long we can use the covid excuse.

 

[Pats1971]

This seems like a curious example. Mahomes sat a year and seems like he might be the most credible challenger in the future for Brady as GOAT (although I doubt he makes it). Luck, one of the highest ranked QB prospects ever, starts immediately, suffers a gigantic number of serious injuries and unexpectedly retires early. This example would seem a slam dunk case for sitting a year. There are counter examples (P. Manning, Marino), but I still see more success stories from QBs that don’t start immediately.

I would be shocked if Cam doesn’t start the first few games. I expect BB to give Mac a chance either around early mid season or if/when Cam gets injured, whichever happens first. Next year, when he has a year experience under his belt and a year to mold his body into NFL shape (remember that Brady himself said his body wasn’t in NFL shape his first year) that I am hopeful we will see the beginning of some great things from Mac.

If Mahomes is trying to be the goat, he better hurry up, because Brady had 2 superbowls by now and didnt take half the teams salary.

I dont get the notion of oh we have to play Cam because Jones is not ready, well if he is not ready, what is Cam? Cam has looked worse. Play the guy that best fits what you do. The winning will come, but I am not sure how it helps that we spent all this money on FA's, and Cam is hitting their feet and getting TE's hurt in practice.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Everyone of those teams also had new coaches just before, as or just after changing QBs.

There’s a bag of ****s with your name on it.