Kraft acknowledges drafting woes, says approach is changing

[VectorPrime]

The problem with Pollard isn’t that any of his plays against the Pats were particularly dirty. Even the Brady one. The problem is that he’s openly proud of being known as a Patriot Killer and wears it on his sleeve.

 

[VectorPrime]

Bledsoe coming in relief and leading them to the Super Bowl berth at Heinz Field was such beautiful poetry. I’m really happy he got a chance to contribute to that run, even for just a game.

Besides that first drive and the TD throw to Patton he was actually scary bad and the Steelers really blew it by not picking off some easy balls.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Bledsoe coming in relief and leading them to the Super Bowl berth at Heinz Field was such beautiful poetry. I’m really happy he got a chance to contribute to that run, even for just a game.

Bledsoe bounced a pass off the chest of a Squealer LB. He also threw the ball backwards over his head while facing away from the LOS.
Either bonehead play could have changed the outcome.
He did finish the drive Brady started but that's it for his notable positive contributions that game.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Kraft can blather all he wants about the Patriots draft approach.
Bottom Line: He and his video morons cost us a valuable 3rd round trade up or draft pick around 79th. Where's Bobby on THAT aspect of the draft?

 

[sb1]

Bledsoe bounced a pass off the chest of a Squealer LB. He also threw the ball backwards over his head while facing away from the LOS.
Either bonehead play could have changed the outcome.
He did finish the drive Brady started but that's it for his notable positive contributions that game.

That was Joey Porter. The very last Steeler who we want to see beat us.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I don’t disagree with that, I just give Belichick tremendous credit for that situation. Truth is that he never even gets that opportunity if Hightower doesn’t save them on the play before it. But Belichick had actually prepared them for exactly the situation he provoked by not calling that timeout. Patricia even comes up to him and asks fof he wants the timeout called and Belichick was staring right at Pete Carroll and new what he would call if he went with 8 big and 3 cornerbacks, and he said “ I got this.” If they score Belichick gets big time blame for not calling the time out, so when he makes a call like that he deserves big time credit for it.

I love BB and there is no other coach with massive balls of steel to do what he did. It's why he's done so many other unique things like find a goat QB everybody else passed on, or the best ever at developing UDFA guys.
I'm just saying even with perfect decision making, what Malcom Butler did was historically special.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I love BB and there is no other coach will massive balls of steel to do what he did. It's why he's done so many other unique things like find a goat QB everybody else passed on, or the best ever at developing UDFA guys.
I'm just saying even with perfect decision making, what Malcom Butler did was historically special.

I don’t disagree with this, Butler made the greatest play in SB history.

 

[1960Pats]

Palmer got taken out first. The Rule is his. It was the additional portion that was put in after Brady. And, because the second hit was on Brady, the addition eventually subsumed the rule, and idiots around the world (I mean you, T. Suggs,) made it seem as if the NFL was all about coddling Tom.








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Palmer did suffer a second ACL injury, but that came much later in his career, in 2014, in a Cardinals v. Rams game.

I was comparing the Steelers hit on Palmer to their hit on Brady in 2001. Yes, the league didn't decide to do something about it until the KC hit in 2008 but it was all about the Steelers to me.

One of the links you posted about 6 Steelers who changed the rules stated that the rule was called the Carson Palmer rule after the playoff hit in 2004/5.

As for Suggs, wasn't he the one who posed with a life-sized cutout of Brady in which he was pointing at Brady's injured knee and laughing?

 

[1960Pats]

The problem with Pollard isn’t that any of his plays against the Pats were particularly dirty. Even the Brady one. The problem is that he’s openly proud of being known as a Patriot Killer and wears it on his sleeve.

The Pats went on to win 3 more of their 6 Lombardis after Pollard took out Brady in 2008. That doesn't sound like he killed anything.

 

[sb1]

I was comparing the Steelers hit on Palmer to their hit on Brady in 2001. Yes, the league didn't decide to do something about it until the KC hit in 2008 but it was all about the Steelers to me.

One of the links you posted about 6 Steelers who changed the rules stated that the rule was called the Carson Palmer rule after the playoff hit in 2004/5.

As for Suggs, wasn't he the one who posed with a life-sized cutout of Brady in which he was pointing at Brady's injured knee and laughing?

Rodney Harrison was mocking Brady too after Brady rightfully was angry about Suggs launching himself at his knee. A lot of us Pats fans forget that.

 

[sb1]

The problem with Pollard isn’t that any of his plays against the Pats were particularly dirty. Even the Brady one. The problem is that he’s openly proud of being known as a Patriot Killer and wears it on his sleeve.

I remember Pollard was very apologetic at first about the hit that took Brady out for the season. After that though not so much.

 

[sb1]

Kraft can blather all he wants about the Patriots draft approach.
Bottom Line: He and his video morons cost us a valuable 3rd round trade up or draft pick around 79th. Where's Bobby on THAT aspect of the draft?

Yeah I was going to say that sounds like a great approach to change. How about Kraft hiring a video crew who is smart enough to understand why you can’t point a f-ing camera at another team’s sideline for any reason especially if you work for this team.

 

[PScottman]

not going to the trash heap for a receiver.

Another in the "if we don't have five #1 'big name' receivers the Pats will lose every game" camp.

The WR corps is not, and never will be, the sole reason the Patriots either struggle or conversely win. Even before Belichick, this franchise didn't bet the farm on the WR position in building their team. What current winning teams in the NFL do (yes, I know the Bucs had a plethora this year, but that was WITHOUT the most expensive position of QB taking up all their cap room giving them ability to get Brady) especially over a 3-4 year span when those assets want to be paid like a #1?

In fact, it would be extremely rare to have a top 5 paid QB and a top 5 paid WR on the same team and not have huge holes across the rest of the roster (highly exploitable holes). Even Mahomes/Kelce/Hill are not immune with Hill a FA in 22 and Mahomes and Kelce having to restructure (Hill refused) to try and fill not one but BOTH tackle positions...is T not a significant concern for a team that relies on offense to win?

There's no disagreement on the draft - that's where you can get something 'cheap' (versus veteran prices) for four to five years. I'm not sure anyone disagrees that hitting on a #1 WR in the draft is a massive "cap enhancer" allowing huge ability to create depth across the entire roster across a swath of years. Where the disagreement lies is in the Monday Morning QBs unequivocally stating that they knew draftee XYZ was going to be a star AND be a star for the Patriots as well (because all franchises, coaches, systems, QBs, OLs, injuries, personalities and every other variable are exactly the same dontcha know) - revisionist history at its finest.

 

[mgteich]

Another in the "if we don't have five #1 'big name' receivers the Pats will lose every game" camp.

The WR corps is not, and never will be, the sole reason the Patriots either struggle or conversely win. Even before Belichick, this franchise didn't bet the farm on the WR position in building their team. What current winning teams in the NFL do (yes, I know the Bucs had a plethora this year, but that was WITHOUT the most expensive position of QB taking up all their cap room giving them ability to get Brady) especially over a 3-4 year span when those assets want to be paid like a #1?

In fact, it would be extremely rare to have a top 5 paid QB and a top 5 paid WR on the same team and not have huge holes across the rest of the roster (highly exploitable holes). Even Mahomes/Kelce/Hill are not immune with Hill a FA in 22 and Mahomes and Kelce having to restructure (Hill refused) to try and fill not one but BOTH tackle positions...is T not a significant concern for a team that relies on offense to win?

There's no disagreement on the draft - that's where you can get something 'cheap' (versus veteran prices) for four to five years. I'm not sure anyone disagrees that hitting on a #1 WR in the draft is a massive "cap enhancer" allowing huge ability to create depth across the entire roster across a swath of years. Where the disagreement lies is in the Monday Morning QBs unequivocally stating that they knew draftee XYZ was going to be a star AND be a star for the Patriots as well (because all franchises, coaches, systems, QBs, OLs, injuries, personalities and every other variable are exactly the same dontcha know) - revisionist history at its finest.

WR's will rarely be a significant reason the Patriots struggle or conversely win. Obviously, the extreme was last year (especially when you include TE)

 

[PScottman]

WR's will rarely be a significant reason the Patriots struggle or conversely win. Obviously, the extreme was last year (especially when you include TE)

Ken always says it best - football is a team game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Another in the "if we don't have five #1 'big name' receivers the Pats will lose every game" camp.

The WR corps is not, and never will be, the sole reason the Patriots either struggle or conversely win. Even before Belichick, this franchise didn't bet the farm on the WR position in building their team. What current winning teams in the NFL do (yes, I know the Bucs had a plethora this year, but that was WITHOUT the most expensive position of QB taking up all their cap room giving them ability to get Brady) especially over a 3-4 year span when those assets want to be paid like a #1?

"Not, and never will be, the sole reason", is meaningless in a team sport with 22 starters plus special teams. And trying to dismiss the Bucs this year because the QB got $25m instead of $35m is just silly.

 

[captain stone]

This is where we point out the difference between 18-1 and 19-0, and hope you can figure out the rest from there.

Stomper Meriweather allows a Perfection-clinching INT to fall right between his forearms during a subsequent play (betcha Eric Weddle makes that catch)...So the defense had at least one more opportunity to win the game; Malcolm Butler's INT ended the game. Period. Vive la difference!


Edit: Sorry didn't mean to regurgitate this topic, as I posted this at the end of the previous page...Carry on...

 

[captain stone]

The Pats went on to win 3 more of their 6 Lombardis after Pollard took out Brady in 2008. That doesn't sound like he killed anything.

He killed our chances of returning to the SB in the '08 season...and he killed our chances of winning the 2011 SB during the AFCCG...

 

[patsfanincleveland]

The Pats went on to win 3 more of their 6 Lombardis after Pollard took out Brady in 2008. That doesn't sound like he killed anything.

The 2008 season was a wash.

Granted, he didn't hit Welker in 2009, but the week before, we beat Carolina 35-0 and looked to be putting it together.

ZERO way the Giants beat us 2011 with a healthy Gronk.

2012 helmet hit on Ridley was mat'l

 

[VectorPrime]

Stomper Meriweather allows a Perfection-clinching INT to fall right between his forearms during a subsequent play (betcha Eric Weddle makes that catch)...So the defense had at least one more opportunity to win the game; Malcolm Butler's INT ended the game. Period. Vive la difference!


Edit: Sorry didn't mean to regurgitate this topic, as I posted this at the end of the previous page...Carry on...

I thought I was the only one in the world who remembers Merriwether missing out on an interception. No one EVER mentions it.