Why the hell did we not try harder to keep TB12?

[JarOfMayo51]

we could have drafted his Far better college teammate who would have done just as well in 2018 postseason behind that leagues best o line along with giving us another 5-7 years of all pro play instead of a guy who will be out of nfl in a couple years

later years of a RB don't matter much.. really just want them for those first 4-5 years and grind them to dust, then draft someone younger. There are some exceptions, like James White, who are more of a 3rd down specialist type that has more longevity but most RBs wear down fast overtime and its almost never a good idea to pay highly for one, so you pretty much want to hit on draft picks exclusively at the RB position.. at least in my humble opinion

Chubb would have been better than Michel in hindsight, but i dont think the Michel pick was a bad one like some seem to. Harris and Michel will give us a great 1-2 tandem for the next couple years, so i don't look at that as a failure in drafting

Harry on the other hand....

 

[bresna]

Oh please. Brady never took the money he could have and that 3 year/27mil extension was the biggest gift any GM has ever got or ever will.

BTW - could you show me this "3 year/27 mil" extension? From: Tom Brady Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Team	Contract Type	Status	Year Signed	Yrs	Total	APY	Guarantees	Amount Earned	% Earned	Effective APY
Patriots	Drafted	Renegotiated	2000​	3​	$864,500​	$288,167​	$38,500​	$559,500​	64.70%​	$279,750​
Patriots	Extension	Renegotiated	2002​	4​	$29,625,000​	$7,406,250​	$9,500,000​	$18,500,000​	62.40%​	$6,166,667​
Patriots	Extension	Renegotiated	2005​	4​	$48,000,000​	$12,000,000​	$26,500,000​	$54,000,000​	112.50%​	$10,800,000​
Patriots	Extension	Renegotiated	2010​	4​	$72,000,000​	$18,000,000​	$18,300,000​	$48,500,000​	67.40%​	$16,166,667​
Patriots	Other	Renegotiated	2013​	5​	$57,000,000​	$11,400,000​	$33,000,000​	$41,000,000​	71.90%​	$13,666,667​
Patriots	Extension	Renegotiated	2016​	2​	$41,000,000​	$20,500,000​	$28,000,000​	$44,764,706​	109.20%​	$14,921,569​
Patriots	Other	Expired	2019​	1​	$23,000,000​	$23,000,000​	$22,000,000​	$23,000,000​	100.00%​	$23,000,000​
Buccaneers	UFA	Active	2020​	2​	$50,000,000​	$25,000,000​	$50,000,000​	$26,625,000​	53.30%​	$26,625,000​

 

[bresna]

Tom Brady sacrificed at least $60 million in his career helping the Patriots build Super Bowl-winning rosters

Tom Brady has taken contract extensions and restructured his contracts over the course of his career to help the Patriots. If he hadn't, he might have made more money than anybody else in NFL history.

www.businessinsider.com

That is such a dumb analysis. To wit:

• We conservatively calculated what Brady might have earned in his career if he had signed a new deal equal to the going rate for top quarterback contracts throughout his career

Name us a QB who signed a max contract every 4 years FOR 20 YEARS. This is close to what I mention above... no team ever slaps a max contract on their QB every time some other team ups the ante.

I am sure that when Brady's contract was up for renegotiation, there was give & take. And I'm sure part of the give on Brady's part was not max'ing out his contract to keep his cap hit down. For their part, the Patriots included way more guaranteed money (by way of large bonuses) in Brady's deals than most QBs were getting. Unfortunately, that move caused this large dead money hit in 2020. If the Patriots hadn't given Tom that large signing bonus and instead gave it to him as salary, his dead money wouldn't have been as bad.

 

[Tottie]

That is such a dumb analysis. To wit:

• We conservatively calculated what Brady might have earned in his career if he had signed a new deal equal to the going rate for top quarterback contracts throughout his career

Name us a QB who signed a max contract every 4 years FOR 20 YEARS. This is close to what I mention above... no team ever slaps a max contract on their QB every time some other team ups the ante.

I am sure that when Brady's contract was up for renegotiation, there was give & take. And I'm sure part of the give on Brady's part was not max'ing out his contract to keep his cap hit down. For their part, the Patriots included way more guaranteed money (by way of large bonuses) in Brady's deals than most QBs were getting. Unfortunately, that move caused this large dead money hit in 2020. If the Patriots hadn't given Tom that large signing bonus and instead gave it to him as salary, his dead money wouldn't have been as bad.

Compare him to the other top quarterbacks of his era: Manning, Rodgers and Brees.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The narrative that, "Tom Sacrificed" is such ********. Drives me insane.

No one held a gun to his head when he sign his deals.

Anyone here get offered a job at another company for more money but for many reasons stayed where you were because you were happy and it was rewarding?

 

[amfootball]

That is such a dumb analysis. To wit:

• We conservatively calculated what Brady might have earned in his career if he had signed a new deal equal to the going rate for top quarterback contracts throughout his career

Name us a QB who signed a max contract every 4 years FOR 20 YEARS. This is close to what I mention above... no team ever slaps a max contract on their QB every time some other team ups the ante.

I am sure that when Brady's contract was up for renegotiation, there was give & take. And I'm sure part of the give on Brady's part was not max'ing out his contract to keep his cap hit down. For their part, the Patriots included way more guaranteed money (by way of large bonuses) in Brady's deals than most QBs were getting. Unfortunately, that move caused this large dead money hit in 2020. If the Patriots hadn't given Tom that large signing bonus and instead gave it to him as salary, his dead money wouldn't have been as bad.

Yet for 15 years we were always in contentention going deep into the playoffs every year then the bottom drops out in 2020 coincidentally the year after Brady is gone and all of a sudden it was because we went all in those years? It is a completely false statement when you look at the team building. There was no departure from 2014-2019. What did happen is we whiffed on every draft and did not do anything at the Qb position for 3 years when we traded Jimmy. That is the mismanagement that many of us are not giving Bill a pass. It also does not mean we are not thankfully for an unprecedented run of excellence but as this season has played out both for us and Brady, it absolutely stings to know the run could have and should have continued if Bill managed the roster better.

 

[Tottie]

The narrative that, "Tom Sacrificed" is such ********. Drives me insane.

No one held a gun to his head when he sign his deals.

Anyone here get offered a job at another company for more money but for many reasons stayed where you were because you were happy and it was rewarding?

I agree that the narrative is pushed way too far and that he benefited from it himself. But (60MIL if you like that number) out of about 250MIL salary up to that point is a high %. I think it's overblown but it also helped the team tremendously which in turn helped him as well since we know all he cares about is championships.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

later years of a RB don't matter much.. really just want them for those first 4-5 years and grind them to dust, then draft someone younger. There are some exceptions, like James White, who are more of a 3rd down specialist type that has more longevity but most RBs wear down fast overtime and its almost never a good idea to pay highly for one, so you pretty much want to hit on draft picks exclusively at the RB position.. at least in my humble opinion

Chubb would have been better than Michel in hindsight, but i dont think the Michel pick was a bad one like some seem to. Harris and Michel will give us a great 1-2 tandem for the next couple years, so i don't look at that as a failure in drafting

Harry on the other hand....

michel? He may be out of the nfl in another year. Guy stinks!

 

[amfootball]

The narrative that, "Tom Sacrificed" is such ********. Drives me insane.

No one held a gun to his head when he sign his deals.

Anyone here get offered a job at another company for more money but for many reasons stayed where you were because you were happy and it was rewarding?

It's not about Brady being a sacraficial lamb at all. It is about the benefit to Bill the GM having the GOAT Qb not take the most money he could from 2013 on. No other GM in the modern era has ever had that benefit when team building.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree that the narrative is pushed way too far and that he benefited from it himself. But (60MIL if you like that number) out of about 250MIL salary up to that point is a high %. I think it's overblown but it also helped the team tremendously which in turn helped him as well since we know all he cares about is championships.

Of course it helped the team. No question.

It's the term "sacrificed" that is crap.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Nick Chubb was a terrible pass blocker leaving college, when you have a 41 year old QB who wants to "win now" and a team that needs a starting RB that's pretty important.

Sony understood complex blocking schemes, that's the first thing Nick Caserio said about him in his post draft conversation... this isn't fantasy football. In the real world a lack of blocking by a RB gets Alex Smith's leg mangled into a pretzel.

“blocker”

who cares. He was a far far better runner and wayyyyy more athletic. Sony did Not have the speed, athleticism, or second gear to be drafted in the first round

”caserio”

hasnt had a good draft in 7 years. His opinion holds little value these days

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Sony defenders are laughable. Chubb is a 1500 yard 15 TD a year guy who drools elite athleticism

Sony is a slow plodder who is lucky to make any nfl roster as a backup at this point

 

[RobertWeathers]

It's not about Brady being a sacraficial lamb at all. It is about the benefit to Bill the GM having the GOAT Qb not take the most money he could from 2013 on. No other GM in the modern era has ever had that benefit when team building.

Yep and that was Tom's choice.

 

[Tottie]

Of course it helped the team. No question.

It's the term "sacrificed" that is crap.

Ya it's a bit strong. I don't think Brady wants praise for it nor do I care if these hyper rich athletes miss out on millions when they can already buy whatever they want. I'm glad he did it though as opposed to the other 3 elite QBs of his era who maxed out almost all their deals and have less SBs combined to show for it. It's a small part of the equation but it's a valid part. This formula BB has found to spend most of the cap on the middle of the roster SO LONG as he has an elite QB has been extremely fruitful and this has helped that.

 

[203Pat]

Lol @ Brady getting no credit for taking less because it was "his choice". Just pathetic.

 

[amfootball]

Yep and that was Tom's choice.

And it directly benefited Bill the GM. That is why him crying about the cap and trying to cite the last 5 yrs as him going all in is total hogwash and I am glad the media called him out on that all year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ya it's a bit strong. I don't think Brady wants praise for it nor do I care if these hyper rich athletes miss out on millions when they can already buy whatever they want. I'm glad he did it though as opposed to the other 3 elite QBs of his era who maxed out almost all their deals and have less SBs combined to show for it. It's a small part of the equation but it's a valid part. This formula BB has found to spend most of the cap on the middle of the roster SO LONG as he has an elite QB has been extremely fruitful and this has helped that.

It was monumental.

TB the player and TB the cap hit gave BB so much latitude to build a strong roster from top-to-bottom and commit to a style of play which didn't require pro-bowlers all on offense to score points.

 

[RobertWeathers]

And it directly benefited Bill the GM. That is why him crying about the cap and trying to cite the last 5 yrs as him going all in is total hogwash and I am glad the media called him out on that all year.

Helped Tom as well. Let's not gloss over that. We see what happens to good QBs do on bad teams. They play from behind. Throw more picks because they take chances. They get hurt more often because their line sucks and they don't win.

It's a fact the Pats spent to the cap every year (except 2019). Bill is not wrong.

 

[Tottie]

It was monumental.

TB the player and TB the cap hit gave BB so much latitude to build a strong roster from top-to-bottom and commit to a style of play which didn't require pro-bowlers all on offense to score points.

No top market salaries basically anywhere also, it's not just Brady that took deals. We hardly ever paid anyone the highest price tag at their position. Maybe Revis? Paying pass rushers and receivers max contracts has also been something that we have avoided which was a great part of the success.

 

[amfootball]

Helped Tom as well. Let's not gloss over that. We see what happens to good QBs do on bad teams. They play from behind. Throw more picks because they take chances. They get hurt more often because their line sucks and they don't win.

It's a fact the Pats spent to the cap every year (except 2019). Bill is not wrong.

I am not arguing any of that. I am talking about this supposed departure from team building that happened in 2014-2019 according to Bill as the reason for the cap issues and poor roster in 2020. It is a complete fabrication by him to cover his mismanagement of the roster during that time.