OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[skinnydog]

I totally believe the Bucs effect.

I think the Pats effect is not just having Brady leave but replacing him with absolutely nothing at the QB position. Once the Pats find a good QB, which hopefully will be soon - things will be better. Also the defense in 2020 is quite a lot worse than it was in 2019.

Good QB is a requirement, but there are a lot more problems on the Pats than poor QB play.

 

[skinnydog]

Brady was hit 7 times and sacked 3 times by WFT, so it's a bit of a concern, especially against NO who has a good pass rush and 2 lock down corners.

WFT might have the league's best front 4 on defense. As good or better than NO. So if those stats repeat on Sunday, the Bucs offense will roll.

 

[carmelo15]

everyone and there momma knows Tampa should press and go man hell they built the secondary to do that and it worked week 1. So expect Bowles to go zone

 

[carmelo15]

WFT might have the league's best front 4 on defense. As good or better than NO. So if those stats repeat on Sunday, the Bucs offense will roll.

NO has a better secondary but if Tom has time he’ll shred them

 

[JMC00]

But there are a lot more problems on the Pats than poor QB play.

Nope

 

[Kontradiction]

Nope

Team’s Super Bowl ready, then, and all we need to find is a QB? Sweet. Let’s trade our entire draft for Watson.

 

[sb1]

Good QB is a requirement, but there are a lot more problems on the Pats than poor QB play.

Agreed but QB is a must. If we get the same QB play as we had last year, I don't think we'll even get to 7-9 in 2021.

 

[skinnydog]

Agreed but QB is a must. If we get the same QB play as we had last year, I don't think we'll even get to 7-9 in 2021.

Even with better QB play this team is still behind Buffalo and Miami

 

[libra957]

Brady 2-5 vs Brees

Brady won the last 2 match-up as a patriot, the last one convincingly.

 

[Uptown]

 

[libra957]

Of course if he was wearing a patriots jersey, he would be favorite.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Bucs signed some guy named Earl Watford to replace Alex Cappa...

 

[Guts]

Bucs signed some guy named Earl Watford to replace Alex Cappa...

That Cappa injury could be a big one...best way to beat Tom Brady led offenses is pressure up the middle, not necessarily the edge rushers since TB has great pocket awareness

 

[Biffins]

Actually that wouldn't be wise at all.

Firstly, Brady's not the GM in Tampa Bay so the global construction of the team isn't his call. Sure he can bring in Gronk and AB, which will help him in the passing game but he has nothing to do with the roster building on the defensive side of the ball.

Secondly, Brady probably doesn't have enough seasons left to wait for Tampa Bay's defense to become "elite." Their secondary sucks.

Thirdly, and most importantly, BRADY DOESN'T NEED TO BE PROTECTED WITH BY A DEFENSE OR RUNNING GAME.

This drives me crazy... did people watch Brady play this season? Once he had a full compliment of skill position players and he had settled into the Bucs offense, he was red hot in December... 3-0, 72% completions, 311 Y/G, 8 TD's, 0 INT's, 131 QB rating. Then he shredded a WFT defense that ranked 2nd in passing and overall defense for the season. Hello! Brady's still elite, he's still a killer in the postseason.

It's the same damn mistake 'the genius' Belichick made, starting prior to the 2014 season when he commented on Brady's age as though he was anticipating an imminent decline in Brady's play. It never happened. Only the team around Brady declined thanks to Belichick's many whiffs as a GM. And the argument that well no other quarterback has been able to do what Brady's doing doesn't fly. If Belichick's a genius, especially with the firsthand exposure to Brady, then he should have been able to effectively measure Brady's capacity to go on playing at an elite level. He egregiously miscalculated. As well some fans continue to do the same. Brady just needed a representative offense around him which Tampa Bay has given him. A stout defense obviously would be helpful but Brady doesn't need that for protection. Jones is a good RB and he had a good season (Fournette maybe not so much), but Brady had enough of the run-first approach last season when he was handing off to Michel for 3.7 per carry.

Also, the Peyton Manning comp is ridiculous. Manning was totally spent in his last season and his play/numbers reflected it (9 TD's & 17 INT's... that's worse than Cam!). The Broncos did him a huge favor by reinstating him as the starter... he was easily outplayed by Osweiler but Elway & Co. wanted to give Manning a chance to go out a winner. It only worked thanks to Belichick gagging away weeks 16 & 17 which made the Broncos the #1 seed. Had the Patriots held onto the #1 seed like they should have then Manning's last game would have been another beatdown in Foxboro. Instead the Broncos defense (coupled with a Cam no-show) carried Manning to that second ring that he desperately needed to cement his legacy (even though he was brutally bad in the Super Bowl).

As for Elway and Denver, unless Tampa Bay is trading for Derrick Henry, they're not getting anywhere close to the production of Terrell Davis from 1997 & 1998.

This post rings so true and gets me so upset. BB really mismanaged last few years of Brady here.

Also the Pats defense that he was bolstering got shredded vs the Eagles in the superbowl. And next year by the Chiefs in AFC and both times Brady had to work with meagre personnel around him to try and claw back.

Why not ride Brady’s arm. The best QB to ever play. Instead of Michel quasi-bust!

 

[Tunescribe]

I hope for a Saints win and am ready to see "Florida boys" Brady and Gronk ride off into the sunset. These two have no love lost for the Patriots/New England and don't deserve our loyalty. While I always will cherish memories of what they did here, that chapter closed in 2020.

 

[RIpats88]

This post rings so true and gets me so upset. BB really mismanaged last few years of Brady here.

Also the Pats defense that he was bolstering got shredded vs the Eagles in the superbowl. And next year by the Chiefs in AFC and both times Brady had to work with meagre personnel around him to try and claw back.

Why not ride Brady’s arm. The best QB to ever play. Instead of Michel quasi-bust!

We won a superbowl in 2018 and Michel was a big part of that. It wasn't until after the Steelers game when they changed to more of a running team and ran that all the way to a superbowl.

If we had gone on brady's arm that year we would've been done due to the mediocre receiving options. This is revisionist history at its best.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I hope for a Saints win and am ready to see "Florida boys" Brady and Gronk ride off into the sunset. These two have no love lost for the Patriots/New England and don't deserve our loyalty. While I always will cherish memories of what they did here, that chapter closed in 2020.

wouldnt mind seeing Brees go out with another ring. it’s hard to dislike him...

 

[Biffins]

We won a superbowl in 2018 and Michel was a big part of that. It wasn't until after the Steelers game when they changed to more of a running team and ran that all the way to a superbowl.

If we had gone on brady's arm that year we would've been done due to the mediocre receiving options. This is revisionist history at its best.

The point was that we should have equipped Brady better. He could have carried us.

 

[PatsWSB47]

wouldnt mind seeing Brees go out with another ring. it’s hard to dislike him...

You guys, what's up with all the Brees fandom? I thought you only root for the Patriots and everyone else is the enemy? Seriously your Super Duper Pats fan card might get revoked......or can you all finally admit you just want Brady to fail.

 

[Kontradiction]

I hope for a Saints win and am ready to see "Florida boys" Brady and Gronk ride off into the sunset. These two have no love lost for the Patriots/New England and don't deserve our loyalty. While I always will cherish memories of what they did here, that chapter closed in 2020.

What, exactly, are you basing the bold part on?