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Well we all tried. You are either trolling or completely lost.

I'll cut you some slack since you are new to this thread, but your arguments have nothing to do with what I'm arguing. So to recap, I'm not arguing about Tom's legacy overall with respect to how he is perceived by other NFL fans. My points have to do with how he is perceived in the Brady vs Belichick argument and that is they need each other.
 
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There are maybe three people left in the world who think Brady has anything to lose...one of them lives in this thread.

You do realize that if Brady goes 6-4 in Super Bowls, he'd be one Malcolm Butler INT from being a .500 QB in the biggest game, right? Food for thought
 
You do realize that if Brady goes 6-4 in Super Bowls, he'd be one Malcolm Butler INT from being a .500 QB in the biggest game, right? Food for thought
Still got to get there 10 times though, right ? Better to be 5-5 and .500 or 1-0 and 1.00 QB? Food for thought
 
Still got to get there 10 times though, right ? Better to be 5-5 and .500 or 1-0 and 1.00 QB? Food for thought

Some people would perceive it that way, others would point to the unblemished 4-0 Montana record. A super bowl loss is a big knock on any QB.
 
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I'll cut you some slack since you are new to this thread, but your arguments have nothing to do with what I'm arguing. So to recap, I'm not arguing about Tom's legacy overall with respect to how he is perceived by other NFL fans. My points have to do with how he is perceived in the Brady vs Belichick argument and that is they need each other.
I stopped reading after the first few words but thanks for cutting me some slack. I don't know what I would of done.
 
Having Brady was huge but I am under the impression that it was BB that drafted him, kept him on the roster and was the one who negotiated the contracts with him.

So what? BB had no clue who he was eventually going to be getting when he drafted him. He didn’t know any more about Brady’s future here than he did about Kingsbury’s or Etling’s. If he did, he wouldn’t have waited until the sixth round. He caught lightning in a bottle and it turned him around from being a career sub-.500 coach into the GOAT.

The fact he took a little less than he could have is not some sort of mark against BB.

Nope. But it damn sure made his life a hell of a lot easier as a GM. The rest you and I mentioned didn’t have that luxury.

That "decade of failure" averaged 12 wins a season. Made the playoffs 9 times, 5 conference championship games and 2 Super Bowls plus had a team in 2007 that dominated the league like no team in history. The fact they lost of handful of heartbreaking playoff games had little to do with not having enough talent on the roster. His down stretch was a better stretch than majority of those names you listed best stretches.

Because he had the GOAT in his absolute prime. I can’t fault him as a GM too much for the 2007 team. Circumstance and injuries prevented them from going all the way. As a coach, I can definitely throw some blame on him. Forgoing the FG attempt to go for it on 4th and long was a terrible decision. It ended up being the difference between an L and overtime.

There are 3 non-Lombardi seasons in which this team definitely could have gone to, and very likely won, the Super Bowl had the drafts been better between ‘05-‘09: 2010, 2011, and 2012. The competition in the AFC was relatively weak during those seasons. 2010’s defense was a feast or famine D, reliant on turnovers to stop the opponent. The pass rush was non-existent. That ended with Mark Sanchez, in all his glory, eating a hotdog in the pocket before redirecting Braylon Edwards for a key first down. Embarrassing exit.

2011’s defense at least had two edge rushers, but the secondary was the worst BB has had in his time here. At the time, they were the second-to-worst pass D in NFL history (behind the Packers that season). With whiffs on stiffs like Wheatley and Ras-I Dowling, plus drafting Chung as a deep safety, and McCourty’s regression once teams realized he was a zone corner at best, this was bound to happen. In the big game, the 9-7 Giants saw Eli go 30-40 while they dominated time of possession. The lack of a legitimate downfield threat, which BB the GM also could have solved but chose to take on the ghost of Chad Ochocinco instead, to take them out of Cover-1 Man Under and to take the pressure off an injured Gronk sealed another L.

In 2012, he learned his lesson. He brought in Brandon Lloyd, drafted Chandler Jones and Hightower, moved McCourty to FS, and traded for Talib. Unfortunately, in years prior, he also decided to draft one of the slowest and most lumbering LB corps in the league, as if it was still the year 2000, and Flacco exploited that with success leading to another exit early of the Super Bowl. That situation only got worse once Talib exited. These are all on BB the GM.

I would put 2013 for sticking Brady with the likes of Kembrell Thompkins and Aaron Dobson, but injuries derailed that season more than anything else.

You literally put Ernie Accorsi on a list of GMs better than BB. His career record is 138- 140 with 5 total playoff wins. Can you please explain what compelled you to include him? I went through his draft history and it is putrid. Equivalent to naming someone like Jeff Fisher as a better coach than BB (and that probably does a disservice to Jeff Fisher to be up against Accorsi)

His draft picks include:
Johnie Cooks #2 overall
Art Schlitcher - #4
John Elway #1, traded away
Mike Junkin #5
Clifford Charlton #21
Ron Dayne #11

The only top player he ever selected was P. Rivers who he then traded for Eli Manning. Probably ended up with the worst of the 3 QBs drafted early that year but they were all very solid players so I will give him credit there.

Well, I’m glad I was literal about it, and didn’t figuratively put Accorsi on that list. I mentioned him because he helped turn the Browns and Giants franchises around, with the latter winning two Super Bowls against us. But that’s fine. If you don’t want to include him, then throw him out and replace him with Paul Brown or Al Davis
 
Manning won super bowls with two different teams and Favre, Warner, and Montana went to the conference championship games with their new teams. Brady has more talent around him than any of them. Pressure's on...
Oooooh, pressure's on, well damn.

There's no NFL player that puts more pressure on themselves to perform than Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr.

You continue to clown yourself. When are you going to get over TB12 not answering your fan mail and not retiring a Patriot as you wanted him to? Maybe when you move outta your Mom's basement.
 
Oooooh, pressure's on, well damn.

There's no NFL player that puts more pressure on themselves to perform than Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr.

You continue to clown yourself. When are you going to get over TB12 not answering your fan mail and not retiring a Patriot as you wanted him to? Maybe when you move outta your Mom's basement.
Now is the part where he either, claims to be a successful lawyer, insults blue collar workers, or makes some very thinly veiled post that teeters on racist. Take your guess.
 
Now is the part where he either, claims to be a successful lawyer, insults blue collar workers, or makes some very thinly veiled post that teeters on racist. Take your guess.
I'll bet on him claiming again he's from the Upper Crust or bragging about going to a better school than anyone on the forum.
 
Manning won super bowls with two different teams and Favre, Warner, and Montana went to the conference championship games with their new teams. Brady has more talent around him than any of them.

You do realize that if Brady goes 6-4 in Super Bowls, he'd be one Malcolm Butler INT from being a .500 QB in the biggest game, right? Food for thought
If this if that if this if that if this if that if this if that.....food for thought
 
You do realize that if Brady goes 6-4 in Super Bowls, he'd be one Malcolm Butler INT from being a .500 QB in the biggest game, right? Food for thought

If you simply reverse the results of 81 regular season games, he’s 149-150 in his career. So much for being a winner, right? Food for thought.
 
Some people would perceive it that way, others would point to the unblemished 4-0 Montana record. A super bowl loss is a big knock on any QB.
imagine actually thinking that it’s better to lose earlier in the playoffs. this is the most stupid argument in any sport
 
"2015 Peyton Manning won a title"

Actually, the 2015 Broncos carried the corpse of a hall of fame quarterback to a title. Had he started all of those games, that team doesn't even make the playoffs. I'm not sure I recall a team that won a SB having to overcome such terrible QB play in my life. If you've seriously come so far as to use that as your argument for Brady "needing to prove he can win with another team" you're a certified moron.
 
You do realize that if Brady goes 6-4 in Super Bowls, he'd be one Malcolm Butler INT from being a .500 QB in the biggest game, right? Food for thought
If Brady goes 6-4 in Super Bowls, that's like 10 conference championships in 20 years winning 6 Super Bowls. Not too shabby at all. I doubt any other QB will ever duplicate that.
 
Thank goodness the Bucs game is next season. Can you imagine what Brady and the Tampa offense would do to this year's roster? Yikes. Might have hung a 50 burger on us. Still might next year unless the Pats make some major improvements. Hopefully they do.
 
imagine actually thinking that it’s better to lose earlier in the playoffs. this is the most stupid argument in any sport

And so ignorant of historical context, where the NFC won 13 consecutive Super Bowls during Montana’s “clutch” span. His biggest game that had the greatest actual championship odds swing was the NFC Championship game or sometimes the NFC Divisional game depending on the matchup.
 
Thank goodness the Bucs game is next season. Can you imagine what Brady and the Tampa offense would do to this year's roster? Yikes. Might have hung a 50 burger on us. Still might next year unless the Pats make some major improvements. Hopefully they do.

Bucs are going to lose some pieces too in FA, which is going to help
 
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