Bench Newton!

[Thelonious]

It’s not about being loyal to Cam. It’s 100% about the backup QBs not being able to play in the NFL.

If the Pats had a better QB as a backup he makes the switch. Without a doubt.

I also want to see someone better than Cam at the position. The guy who can do that is not on the roster.

I wanna see Stidham w/ a full week of prep; I think due diligence requires that, but I'm pretty sure you're right about the next qb not being on the roster.

 

[Thelonious]

I really doubt the Niners let Jimmy go. They would be a terrible position without him. They have no back ups either or young guy to develop.

I think you're right. I also think Jimmy G will end up as a backup anyway. He'd make a solid one. As a starter, I think he's mediocre, which isn't good enough (I hope).

 

[moosekill]

No thanks seen enough of Stid. Not an NFL QB.

I am sorry but what the feck are you talking about. He is a 2nd year qb who hasn't started a game. He hasn't gotten starter reps and hasn't been in the game plan ever. How in the bloody hell can you make any definitive comments about him at all.

It is fine to use the fact that BB isn't starting him over Cam that we should use that to form our conclusions, but so far this year, he has looked 100 times better than Cam has when he is out there. Which of course isn't saying a lot.

But really your opinions on this matter really are very poor and saying over and over he sucks doesn't add anything to the conversation.

 

[sb1]

No, Jimmy G wasn't a factor this off-season, obviously. But since you brought him up, when Belichick first had designs on JG supplanting Brady, that also was a massive miscalculation because Brady still had plenty of elite quarterbacking left in him. The returns on Brady only started diminishing as Belichick was unwittingly emptying out the cupboard. Had Belichick just trusted Brady, and surrounded him with an adequate supporting cast, they would be cruising to another division title with a 12-4 record. The point being, no matter how you frame the argument, Belichick is responsible for this season ultimately being a fail.

Extremely unlikely the Pats would be 12-4 if Brady had stayed with this roster.

They’d certainly be 0-13 without Belichick though. In fact Id be willing to bet on that if it was possible to check.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I think you're right. I also think Jimmy G will end up as a backup anyway. He'd make a solid one. As a starter, I think he's mediocre, which isn't good enough (I hope).

He took a team to the super bowl, that's not a backup. He needs better coaching, BB and Josh can do that. Hope they let him loose.

 

[sb1]

I am sorry but what the feck are you talking about. He is a 2nd year qb who hasn't started a game. He hasn't gotten starter reps and hasn't been in the game plan ever. How in the bloody hell can you make any definitive comments about him at all.

It is fine to use the fact that BB isn't starting him over Cam that we should use that to form our conclusions, but so far this year, he has looked 100 times better than Cam has when he is out there. Which of course isn't saying a lot.

But really your opinions on this matter really are very poor and saying over and over he sucks doesn't add anything to the conversation.

Sounds like you’re watching a very different Stidham than I am. I’m not seeing it at all. He has in no way looked better than Cam. I don’t see this great future QB like many see (or I suspect - what many WANT to see), I see a guy who can’t handle pressure on and off the field - and definitely can’t handle an NFL pass rush. 5/7 27 yards 2 sacks and a 56 passer rating the other night is nothing to brag about. A guy who presumably was the starter entering camp and then became QB#3 quickly after that- that ought to be a huge red flag for everyone.

Took Jimmy just one relief appearance in KC to show us he belonged in the NFL and had a bright future. He had “it”. He didn’t need chance after chance after chance like some want for Stidham.

Pats can do so much better than Stid if they’re looking for the heir to Brady. I think Bill and Josh know that.

 

[moosekill]

Sounds like you’re watching a very different Stidham than I am. I’m not seeing it at all. He has in no way looked better than Cam. I don’t see this great future QB like many see (or I suspect - what many WANT to see), I see a guy who can’t handle pressure and definitely can’t handle an NFL pass rush. 5/7 27 yards 2 sacks and a 56 passer rating the other night is nothing to brag about. A guy who presumably was the starter entering camp and then became QB#3 quickly after that- that ought to be a huge red flag for everyone.

Took Jimmy just one relief appearance in KC to show us he belonged in the NFL and had a bright future. He had “it”. He didn’t need chance after chance after chance like some what for Stidham.

Pats can do so much better than Stid if they’re looking for the heir to Brady.

Dood, you obviously have no knowledge of football. It isn't even worth it to discuss this with you. You can not judge a young qb when he gets thrown in in garbage time, over and over. Come back and make the calls after he has had a couple of starts and then you can start to judge him.

 

[sb1]

I wanna see Stidham w/ a full week of prep; I think due diligence requires that, but I'm pretty sure you're right about the next qb not being on the roster.

He already had the due diligence - it doesn’t have to be on TV for that to happen. The decision has been made IMO.

 

[sb1]

Dood, you obviously have no knowledge of football. It isn't even worth it to discuss this with you. You can not judge a young qb when he gets thrown in in garbage time, over and over. Come back and make the calls after he has had a couple of starts and then you can start to judge him.

What I think doesn’t matter. What Bill and Josh thinks does. He’s been evaluated in 2 camps, in practices and like all of us know, in game action. All evidence we have suggests they are not impressed with what they see.

Bench Cam if we have an alternative. We don’t.

 

[moosekill]

What I think doesn’t matter. What Bill and Josh thinks does. He’s been evaluated in 2 camps, in practices and like all of us know, in game action. All evidence we have suggests they are not impressed with what they see.

Bench Cam if we have an alternative. We don’t.

But this is different than what you are saying. It is one thing to say that Bill isn't starting Stidham so he must suck. Which could be accurate but we don't really know. It is different to say I have seen all I need to see and he is complete garbage and isn't an nfl level qb. This is complete crap, it doesn't mean he is an nfl level qb, it means there is no way we can tell that based upon what we have seen.

 

[sb1]

But this is different than what you are saying. It is one thing to say that Bill isn't starting Stidham so he must suck. Which could be accurate but we don't really know. It is different to say I have seen all I need to see and he is complete garbage and isn't an nfl level qb. This is complete crap, it doesn't mean he is an nfl level qb, it means there is no way we can tell that based upon what we have seen.

Like I said it took Jimmy G one relief appearance to look to me like like he belonged in the NFL and was gonna be a good one.

I haven’t seen any such promise from Stidham in any of his relief appearances. Every single one of Stid’s relief appearances has been from complete crap to forgettable. Jimmy looked so much better than Stid in every aspect of the game, and it wasn’t a surprise that he was really good in his short stint as our starting QB.

 

[moosekill]

Like I said it took Jimmy G one relief appearance to look to me like like he belonged in the NFL and was gonna be a good one.

I haven’t seen any such promise from Stidham in any of his relief appearances. Every single one of Stid’s relief appearances has been from complete crap to forgettable. Jimmy looked so much better than Stid in every aspect of the game, and it wasn’t a surprise that he was really good in his short stint as our starting QB.

I guess I can't remember Jimmy's relief appearances. Were they all blow outs with the Patriots winning by a lot? It doesn't really matter. Jimmy was the starting qb in the superbowl last year. He is a very good qb. Stidham is a second year qb, who knows what he will do. He didn't have a preseason this year and has only been used sparingly. You just can't judge him by that.

 

[sb1]

I guess I can't remember Jimmy's relief appearances. Were they all blow outs with the Patriots winning by a lot? It doesn't really matter. Jimmy was the starting qb in the superbowl last year. He is a very good qb. Stidham is a second year qb, who knows what he will do. He didn't have a preseason this year and has only been used sparingly. You just can't judge him by that.

Entered the game in KC where the Pats got thumped. Looked terrific. Just wished he could stay healthy, I’d love to have him back here if he could.

 

[RIpats88]

He took a team to the super bowl, that's not a backup. He needs better coaching, BB and Josh can do that. Hope they let him loose.

To be fair he didn't do much during the miners Superbowl run.

But I think he would be much better with new england

 

[Thelonious]

He took a team to the super bowl, that's not a backup. He needs better coaching, BB and Josh can do that. Hope they let him loose.

Well, he's better than anybody currently on the Pats' roster. I'll certainly give you that (not much, frankly). But he's fragile, he's inconsistent, and I hope we can do better. Nothing worse than getting stuck for years with somebody too good to dump but not good enough to get you where you want to go. That's Jimmy, I think.

 

[Thelonious]

He already had the due diligence - it doesn’t have to be on TV for that to happen. The decision has been made IMO.

Well, you certainly could be right. Still, I'd like to see him on a full week's prep. Chances of him thriving are pretty slim, but chances of Cam improving are zero (degrees Kelvin fercryinoutloud).

 

[lancerman]

Andy or Ring6 is a unique character in our forum. He can be argumentative to the N'th degree but he also can provide some exceptional football insight especially with defensive schemes. I've learned a lot from him over the years. Attacking him for his name change is weak sauce and most likely ego driven. I will never be on board with that crap.

I have no problem not bringing that up and I didn’t for long time. A guy that who pretty plainly went around lying about something as basic as his identity for months should not take a discussion about football and use it to go on mini rants about the character of otherposters specifically calling me liar. Like that’s crap and got the conversation he was looking for and I’m not so sure he is unhappy with the attention he got. He knows I have him on ignore and I don’t instigate conversation with him and he still tries to get into it.

That said, I already said, I’m not interest in having this discussion with him or about him with anybody else. I was very clear about that. It had nothing to do with this thread topic. It has nothing to do with whether Stidham deserves time on the field. It has nothing to do with whether Cam should be benched going forward. It honestly doesn’t really have anything to do with me saying whether we should extend Cam 2 months ago. In fact this whole thread is just the same argument over and over again. I think everyone knows the situation is that Cam is not the answer, everyone knows Stidham has not shown enough on the field to make a case he is better option and the coaches have been exceptionally resistant to him seeing the field. At this point, the truth is the coaches probably know how they feel about him and whether he has a shot of starting next year or being released. So the whole argument is whether Bill’s judgement is wrong or whether the fans deserve a showcase up validate the coaching decision

 

[Toofy]

I have no problem not bringing that up and I didn’t for long time. A guy that who pretty plainly went around lying about something as basic as his identity for months should not take a discussion about football and use it to go on mini rants about the character of otherposters specifically calling me liar. Like that’s crap and got the conversation he was looking for and I’m not so sure he is unhappy with the attention he got. He knows I have him on ignore and I don’t instigate conversation with him and he still tries to get into it.

That said, I already said, I’m not interest in having this discussion with him or about him with anybody else. I was very clear about that. It had nothing to do with this thread topic. It has nothing to do with whether Stidham deserves time on the field. It has nothing to do with whether Cam should be benched going forward. It honestly doesn’t really have anything to do with me saying whether we should extend Cam 2 months ago. In fact this whole thread is just the same argument over and over again. I think everyone knows the situation is that Cam is not the answer, everyone knows Stidham has not shown enough on the field to make a case he is better option and the coaches have been exceptionally resistant to him seeing the field. At this point, the truth is the coaches probably know how they feel about him and whether he has a shot of starting next year or being released. So the whole argument is whether Bill’s judgement is wrong or whether the fans deserve a showcase up validate the coaching decision

I think Bill and Josh have not shown to be great purveyors of offensive talent. Meyers and Harris rose up the charts through luck and fortitude and despite mcD and bills evals.

So I think we as fans need a showcase of stidham in full Gametime. I am convinced brady, gronk , Edelman, white and Amendola were the offense. Bill does not seem to have a major input on offense and its completely McD and what he has shown this season implies he is clueless both in terms of talent evaluation and game plan . It took both brady and belichick to tango.

I just feel Bill the GM and mcD the offensive guru are letting down Bill the defensive genius. Bill is the ATG coach, but his stubbornness could potentially lead to his slide as well.

 

[Ollie]

Cam is painful to watch at times, almost like a giraffe trying to play QB.

 

[State]

I completely agree. Bill has something against Stidham...it’s like the Butler situation but longer.

At the most important position.