Bench Newton!

[crawhammer]

What opportunity. This is his career to date
1) 4 passes in a blowout
2) out in for a half against the best team in the nfl with no practice time
3) mop up duty in 2 blowouts.

whatever you think of him, there is no chance that’s is enough to evaluate him.

Here’s a comparison. Tom
Brady first 60 passes (47 of which were after gettin all the reps in practice).
31-60 51.7% 306 yard no TDs. 66.4

Stidham career 20-37 54.5 212 yards 2 tds.

You can no more judge Stidham cateer on 37 passes than you can judge Brady’s on 60.
Stidham hasn’t proven anything but he hasn’t disproven anything either.
im just baffled why you would want to use a 4th round draft pick, never give him practice reps, never give him a real opportunity and just give up on him. Wouldn’t it make sense to put him out there and actually evaluate real play before you give up on him? Imagine if we took that approach with Damien Harris.

Oh this is rich... a comparison of Brady and Stidham. What comedy. I don't have time read all your wasted words on Stidham but thanks for a good laugh.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

1.) I still believe Kraft interfered with bb’s plan to transition from Brady to jimmy. Yes, we got a sixth super bowl out of it, but at what cost? What could have jimmy become if he stayed?

2.) consider the current state of the patriots receivers and tight ends. In my mind newton has done an incredible job. But at the end of the day, he does not have the skill set to succeed in our offense and needs to move along after the seaton.

3.) I believe if stidham had shown bb anything in practice, bb would have replaced newton in a heartbeat under the “what’s best for the team” idiom. However bb is playing the guy who has shown him the most. It is more an indictment on stidham than anything else.

 

[Ring 6]

Oh this is rich... a comparison of Brady and Stidham. What comedy. I don't have time read all your wasted words on Stidham but thanks for a good laugh.

Then you should have read it. The point wasn’t comparing Stidham to Brady it was to show that the sample size is too small to make a judgment.

 

[Ring 6]

1.) I still believe Kraft interfered with bb’s plan to transition from Brady to jimmy. Yes, we got a sixth super bowl out of it, but at what cost? What could have jimmy become if he stayed?

2.) consider the current state of the patriots receivers and tight ends. In my mind newton has done an incredible job. But at the end of the day, he does not have the skill set to succeed in our offense and needs to move along after the seaton.

3.) I believe if stidham had shown bb anything in practice, bb would have replaced newton in a heartbeat under the “what’s best for the team” idiom. However bb is playing the guy who has shown him the most. It is more an indictment on stidham than anything else.

I disagree on all 3 so I won’t comment, but will ask one question

when was Stidham supposed to win the job in practice? He was injured for a good portion of camp. Newton has gotten all of the reps and at the point in the season when it would have made sense we weren’t even practicing because of COVID.
I don’t think backup qbs ever have a chance to win the job in practice.
Again Stidham may suck, but given the train wreck we have at QB why not find out? There truly is nothing to lose.

 

[lancerman]

1.) I still believe Kraft interfered with bb’s plan to transition from Brady to jimmy. Yes, we got a sixth super bowl out of it, but at what cost? What could have jimmy become if he stayed?

2.) consider the current state of the patriots receivers and tight ends. In my mind newton has done an incredible job. But at the end of the day, he does not have the skill set to succeed in our offense and needs to move along after the seaton.

3.) I believe if stidham had shown bb anything in practice, bb would have replaced newton in a heartbeat under the “what’s best for the team” idiom. However bb is playing the guy who has shown him the most. It is more an indictment on stidham than anything else.

Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman, Elway, Ben, Eli, Starr, Plunkett. 9. 9 guys in history have 2 or more rings. The odds of Jimmy getting 2 and being in that grouping are pretty astronomical by comparison.

I wouldn’t second guess that SB we got with Brady. The team that beat Jimmy he would likely be competing with every year for a long time.

I agree with your second and third points

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I have no interest in seeing a JAG backup QB who will never be a starter start these last 3 games. Probably wouldn’t watch much tbh.

Now I am praying twice a day for Stidham to start. @sb1 "wouldn't watch much tbh" and then would not repeat the same discussion point 100 times over and over on PatsFans. That would be great Best argument I have heard to start Stidham

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

@Tony2046 are you still supportive of Newton? I'm curious about your take and if you think his play his less his fault but more the people around him and situational.

Would be good to hear your side

 

[crawhammer]

Then you should have read it. The point wasn’t comparing Stidham to Brady it was to show that the sample size is too small to make a judgment.

Ok so you think Belichick is a complete moron then. If Stidham has any potential then he should have been their starting quarterback weeks ago because it's been blatantly obvious that Newton sucks.

I think we can all agree that Newton has been a disaster. Yet Belichick continues to start Newton over Stidham. What does that tell you?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I disagree on all 3 so I won’t comment, but will ask one question

when was Stidham supposed to win the job in practice? He was injured for a good portion of camp. Newton has gotten all of the reps and at the point in the season when it would have made sense we weren’t even practicing because of COVID.
I don’t think backup qbs ever have a chance to win the job in practice.
Again Stidham may suck, but given the train wreck we have at QB why not find out? There truly is nothing to lose.

because he is getting about 5 to 10 percent of the snaps in practice and clearly he is not showing the coaches much.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman, Elway, Ben, Eli, Starr, Plunkett. 9. 9 guys in history have 2 or more rings. The odds of Jimmy getting 2 and being in that grouping are pretty astronomical by comparison.

I wouldn’t second guess that SB we got with Brady. The team that beat Jimmy he would likely be competing with every year for a long time.

I agree with your second and third points

In training camp I saw jimmy leading the second team offense up and down the field against our starters.

during the year, I heard the players saying jimmy moved the ball against the starters yet again.

I think our system fit what jimmy does and how he reads the defense.

our system is why newton is a terrible fit and why jimmy is a really good fit,

the point is moot now, but you have to wonder what could have been if Kraft had not interfered.

 

[Ring 6]

because he is getting about 5 to 10 percent of the snaps in practice and clearly he is not showing the coaches much.

I don’t think 5 to 10 percent of the snaps is enough to show anything.
Plus we have no idea what he is shoring them we only know he isn’t showing enough to replace a 10 year vet with a guy who has 27 career passes in garbage time.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I don’t think 5 to 10 percent of the snaps is enough to show anything.
Plus we have no idea what he is shoring them we only know he isn’t showing enough to replace a 10 year vet with a guy who has 27 career passes in garbage time.

I am not sure if you ever played this game before, but football is “competition” 100 percent of the time!

Every snap is a chance to shine. The pros tape their practices and they review that tape. Stidham has had more than enough opportunity, and as you said, he is not showing up.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok so you think Belichick is a complete moron then. If Stidham has any potential then he should have been their starting quarterback weeks ago because it's been blatantly obvious that Newton sucks.

I think we can all agree that Newton has been a disaster. Yet Belichick continues to start Newton over Stidham. What does that tell you?

You do realize there are numbers in between 1 and 999,999,999,999,999 right?

Belichick is trying to win. He decided in august that his best chance to win was to minimize the qb position only throw when needed and hope to have a ball control team that won low scoring games with good defense and few turnovers because you aren’t giving the qb an opportunity to turn it over (or to win games for you as a passer).
I can understand that approach as opposed to relying on a 2nd year qb without a preseason especially when that 2nd year qb was a 4th round pick who very likely isn’t ready yet.
unfortunately despite giving the Sb the least responsibility possible, he still turns the ball over at an alarming rate.
Around the time of the sf game I think bb was about ready to pull the plug, but the rest of the team did a good job carrying newton and the team won. 4 out 5 in fact.
At this point with one more loss eliminating you from the playoffs I guess hoping the team carries newton rather than making a drastic change makes some sense.
Personally I’d bench newton and never let him see the field. But that doesn’t mean belichick is a complete moron.
he is choosing between the suck that he knows and has seemed to be learning how to work around and a complete unknown.

in any event the post you responded to wasn’t even about any of this it was about the fact that whatever Stidham may be he certainly hasn’t had an opportunity to prove it one way or another.

 

[Ring 6]

I am not sure if you ever played this game before, but football is “competition” 100 percent of the time!

Every snap is a chance to shine. The pros tape their practices and they review that tape. Stidham has had more than enough opportunity, and as you said, he is not showing up.

I played this game for many years.
if you think 5% of the snaps in practice is competition for a starting job I don’t know what to tell you.
You do realize that they don’t even hit in practice any more right?
So what a dozen snaps a week, maybe 6 passes? One of 2 a day in non contact is how you expect to evaluate a qb?

why wouldn’t you put him on the field and see what he can do?
no one has given any legitimate argument

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

why wouldn’t you put him on the field and see what he can do?
no one has given any legitimate argument

I would like to see Stidham as well, but I do think there is an argument that Cam's experience (BB loves the veterans) gives you the best chance to win against Miami if Stidham is still coming up the learning curve. If we lose to Miami and BB is still playing Cam against the Bills and JETS, I will not understand that.

 

[Tony2046]

@Tony2046 are you still supportive of Newton? I'm curious about your take and if you think his play his less his fault but more the people around him and situational.

Would be good to hear your side

I'm not sure. The Pats don't have a true #1 WR or TE. Cam didn't have a Training camp or preseason and missed a few weeks because of "the Covid". I do think Cam is better than what we've been seeing. How much better? I don't know. So I'll support him throughout the season. I appreciate his effort.

 

[Ring 6]

I would like to see Stidham as well, but I do think there is an argument that Cam's experience (BB loves the veterans) gives you the best chance to win against Miami if Stidham is still coming up the learning curve. If we lose to Miami and BB is still playing Cam against the Bills and JETS, I will not understand that.

I just can’t see it. He is digressing badly and the only time we win is when we win in spite of him and he doesn’t screw it up.
I really cannot imagine him giving us a better chance to win than stidham
Hoyer and about 50 other nfl QBs.
I mean it’s not even arguable that he hurts the team by being out there.
Look at it this way. Anyone else can handoff and throw 15-20 passes mostly safe passes with one read or a screen.
Any ability over and above that helps.
And forget the running ability. Outside of a couple of games he doesn’t even run.
Now I agree that if we ran 10-12 designed runs, and if his first read wasn’t open he took off, he would give us a better chance to win but that’s not happening. He stands in the pocket like he’s never been there before and refuses to run, and gets sacked.

 

[sb1]

No we have to cut Harris and Meyers too because obviously when bb didn’t play then last year it means they suck and will forever.

Harris and Meyers got the opportunity and shone. They will not be benched again.

Stidham got an opportunity in mopup last year, threw a pick 6. Got another the opportunity in camp, went in as the presumed starter and went out as the #3 behind a guy who hadn’t played in a year and also a journeyman QB. Got another opportunity when the starter got covid and the backup stunk. Didn’t impress. Got more opportunities in mop up the last two games and also didn’t impress. So here we are. Are we going to give this guy infinite opportunities in front of us before we admit what Bill and Josh seem to know already?

All evidence says the decision has been made by the coaches. He had his chance and lost it. He’s not the first nor will be the last.

 

[amfootball]

I just can’t see it. He is digressing badly and the only time we win is when we win in spite of him and he doesn’t screw it up.
I really cannot imagine him giving us a better chance to win than stidham
Hoyer and about 50 other nfl QBs.
I mean it’s not even arguable that he hurts the team by being out there.
Look at it this way. Anyone else can handoff and throw 15-20 passes mostly safe passes with one read or a screen.
Any ability over and above that helps.
And forget the running ability. Outside of a couple of games he doesn’t even run.
Now I agree that if we ran 10-12 designed runs, and if his first read wasn’t open he took off, he would give us a better chance to win but that’s not happening. He stands in the pocket like he’s never been there before and refuses to run, and gets sacked.

I really think it is because Cam is playing for a million bucks and Bill feels loyalty to him for that.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I played this game for many years.
if you think 5% of the snaps in practice is competition for a starting job I don’t know what to tell you.
You do realize that they don’t even hit in practice any more right?
So what a dozen snaps a week, maybe 6 passes? One of 2 a day in non contact is how you expect to evaluate a qb?

why wouldn’t you put him on the field and see what he can do?
no one has given any legitimate argument

because if he can’t do it in a limited practice situation, he won’t do it on game day.

every practice snap is a chance to prove yourself. Newton Has set the bar really low and stidham can’t get over it!

ps: not sure if you remember Ken sims. The players had him the nick name for him “game day”. They did this because he did nothing in practice, but told every body he would show up on game day.
needless to say, he did squat in practice and less on game day.