Bench Newton!

[sb1]

We have no idea about Stid. We have not seen him play a game as a starter with a full week of practice. Would make the most sense to give him that op now with 3 games left.

He has had the opportunity. The coaches are obviously not impressed. Neither am I based on what I’ve seen so far.

Yeah Bill has said nice things about him - he also said that about Tebow before the Pats showed him the door.

 

[amfootball]

He has had the opportunity. The coaches are obviously not impressed. Neither am I based on what I’ve seen so far.

Yeah Bill has said nice things about him - he also said that about Tebow before the Pats showed him the door.

When? When, during the regular season, has he had a full week of practice taking first team reps and then started the game?

 

[captain stone]

If Cant is the starter for our last two meaningless games in Foxborough - and they Will be meaningless, let's not delude ourselves - then I will be very disappointed.

 

[sb1]

When? When, during the regular season, has he had a full week of practice taking first team reps and then started the game?

Bill has seen him in 2 camps and in practices. He has worked with the starters. Just because he hasn’t been on TV in a game doesn’t mean a guy didn’t get an opportunity.

Let’s just say if Bill was impressed by Stidham there would be no need to sign a broken down Cam. Stidham wouldn’t be demoted to #3 either.

 

[lancerman]

Let's be real, Bill was never going to be able to trade Brady at that point in time. Brady just won two out of three SB's and was an extra point away from going to third, one of those SB's tied the greatest comeback in a SB ever and Brady had like the best statistical 4th quarter ever in a SB at that point, and the other was the greatest comeback in NFL history. Then that year he was in the middle of an MVP campaign that would also end in another SB appearance. 2015 and 2016 you could argue Brady was the second best QB outside the MVP winner, and in 2017 he was the MVP winner. You actually argue that 2014 (post week 4) to 2017 was the highest peak period of Brady's career (2007 and 2010 were great years but I mean tying a string of years together). And Brady consistently has said he would play until 45 and set that as a personal goal.

Then Jimmy was going to have to get paid and from what we know his agent wasn't going to let him extend for a cheap contract. So it truly was keep the GOAT in the middle of his best sustained run or dump him for a promising younger talent who really only played a game and a half.

It wasn't like Montana getting hurt and Young playing at an MVP level before he could get back to the team. Or Farve retiring and then unretiring and Aaron Rodgers was waiting in the wings ready to start (and Farev only really had 3 seasons after that with the third being garbage), or even Manning with a neck injury and the team with a 1st overall the year the best prospect since Manning was in the draft.

I think even if it was given entirely to Belichick he would have struggled with that decision and I especially think he would have struggled in rationalizing it to all his colleagues and the players under him.

 

[Ring 6]

For every Brady that starts a career like that there are dozens of other guys who don’t end up doing anything in the league. There’s a reason why Bill was on the verge of benching Bledsoe. Compare that to his take of benching Cam for Stidham.

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This is where you go off the tracks. First I am not arguing Stidham is Brady I sm
Illustrating an example where an evaluation done to early would be wrong.

Harris and Meyers earned their place on the field and that’s why they will stick. Stidham has earned nothing. The Pats aren’t missing out on anything keeping a guy like that on the bench. He’s played like the backup QB at best that he likely always will be.

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No they got their opportunity due to injury.

Jimmy was a viable NFL prospect that’s why he looked great. Stidham hasn’t shown he is one in any game he’s played.

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That’s the point Stidham hasn’t played.

You waste time showcasing a 4th round QB for the fans instead of seeing if the former league MVP and conference champion who struggled badly passing this year but is a run threat and is well liked by the team has a place on the team next year as our bridge QB in 2021.

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Wait. Your argument is you want to see more of Newton and hope to bring him back. My gawd.

See above. There’s value. There’s no value showcasing your backup QB for the fans. he is not a starter, he will never be a starter, the Pats are guaranteed to upgrade in 2021 via draft so what’s the point.

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Not sure what showcasing means. I’m trying to see what he can do in a real game situation.

I don’t have a grudge against anyone, I just want us to have a much better QB on the roster than Stidham. He is not very good. The Pats can do much better than that with QB prospects. There should not be a QB controversy here with a guy like that.

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You are guessing. There is simply no way you have seen enough to evaluate his future potential. You know that which is why you are clinging you one Jimmy g td drive.

 

[Ring 6]

Bill has seen him in 2 camps and in practices. He has worked with the starters. Just because he hasn’t been on TV in a game doesn’t mean a guy didn’t get an opportunity.

Let’s just say if Bill was impressed by Stidham there would be no need to sign a broken down Cam. Stidham wouldn’t be demoted to #3 either.

So if bb starts him in any of the next 3 games you would change your mind because then bb clearly thinks he’s ready and his decision about who to play determines there ability and future. Right?

 

[sb1]

So if bb starts him in any of the next 3 games you would change your mind because then bb clearly thinks he’s ready and his decision about who to play determines there ability and future. Right?

If he really had plans to start him to see what he’s got, it would have happened already. The move would also be permanent, as Cam is being paid peanuts and can easily be shown the exit sign. It didn’t happen and that tells me all I need to know.

You wanna compare this to Brady? Bill was ready to bench Drew Bledsoe who was way better than Cam is. Now Bill is saying no thank you to benching Cam for Stidham. Hmmm...

If it does happen now - Bill is playing out the string and nothing more. He isn’t getting an evaluation. It’s done. I have no interest in seeing a JAG backup QB who will never be a starter start these last 3 games. Probably wouldn’t watch much tbh. I’d rather see the audition for 2021 of the guy who could possibly be our starting QB in 2021. That would be Cam, flaws and all.

 

[Wozzy]

Stidham's problem isn't talent but nerves, he is jittery in the pocket and plays scared. That may be fixed in time with experience and reps, but right now we can't be sure he wouldn't completely fold under the pressure of starting. He folded in day two of training came in competition with Cam and looks like a frightened chihuahua in live action... this team is young and that includes Stidham. He has all the tools, time may not fix him, but that's who he is right now.

He looked great with a 38-0 lead against the Chargers, there's no pressure at all in that situation.

 

[lancerman]

Stidham's problem isn't talent but nerves, he is jittery in the pocket and plays scared. That may be fixed in time with experience and reps, but right now we can't be sure he wouldn't completely fold under the pressure of starting. He folded in day two of training came in competition with Cam and looks like a frightened chihuahua in live action... this team is young and that includes Stidham. He has all the tools, time may not fix him, but that's who he is right now.

He looked great with a 38-0 lead against the Chargers, there's no pressure at all in that situation.

He also only threw 3 passes in that situation. Which is a big issue with using that game as the bright spot for him. It's the least attempts he had all year

 

[Wozzy]

He also only threw 3 passes in that situation. Which is a big issue with using that game as the bright spot for him. It's the least attempts he had all year

He has happy feet in the pocket, he folded under the pressure of competing with Cam... it's who he is until proven otherwise.

He needs to grow a sack.

 

[sb1]

He also only threw 3 passes in that situation. Which is a big issue with using that game as the bright spot for him. It's the least attempts he had all year

Even Tebow had a big moment in his career - and it was a lot bigger than anything Stidham has ever done.

 

[JayNM]

Wait, Is there a Political forum in here? where the hell is it? lol

 

[lancerman]

Wait, Is there a Political forum in here? where the hell is it? lol

It's in the secret section. PM me and I'll give you the secret handshake.

 

[Ring 6]

You need to re-read the reports. The local media was reporting that Kraft told Bill to trade Jimmy loooong before the ESPN piece. That is where Wickersham got his info - from our beat guys. To be a fan of the Pats as you say for the last 20 years would also mean that I know Bill wants to move on from a player a year early rather than a year too late which would made perfect sense from him to move on from Brady at age 40 and put in Jimmy. Bill said when he drafted Jimmy that you always want to be early on the QB position. He was forced by Kraft to trade Jimmy precisely because Brady had performed so well those 3 years (2014-2017). We know how desperately Bill wanted him because he did not trade him in the spring when he could have gotten more trade value but hung on to him until the trade deadline. That is how much he wanted to keep him. Easily his worst GM move given what we would have gotten in March vs. Oct.

This is wrong on so many levels.
Let’s start with the facts. First the reports you are referring to dont say what you think they did. Secondly if a reported says bb wanted to trade Brady and a Gm says he asks if Brady is available and bb laughs in his face, the report is wrong. You need to realize that a “report” is not a fact. A “report” is not bb or Kraft saying so. A report is someone with an agenda (ie clicks) saying something that may or may not have come from someone who turned out be wrong.
Next bill wanting to move on.
This would mean that BILL BELICHICK wanted to dump the qb that
-just won the Sb in a comeback from 28-3 which no other QBs living or dead could have done.
-won that Sb for the Secunderabad in 3 years.
-was at the moment the best qb in the nfl in addition to being the best ever
-had a very reasonable contract
- was clearly the leader of a championship caliber team
-had taken the team to at least the afccg 6 straight years
On a team that
-was clearly ready to go to the next 2 sbs.
-got it’s identity largely from the qb

In order to keep (and ultimately give another contract that Brady had) a QB who has proven nothing because tearing apart a championship team was a better alternative than needing to find a different QBs someday than the unproven guy.

The reason he didn’t trade him in the spring was because he had a Sb team with an older QB and no other backup. It was insurance against injury. A backup qb doesn’t lose value ftom
April to October. There was no need to make a trade until the last minute and no doubt he held out hope that Jimmy would sign an extension to stay a couple more years as the backup to eventually take over the model franchise in the nfl.

Finally Kraft himself denied it

 

[RIpats88]

When? When, during the regular season, has he had a full week of practice taking first team reps and then started the game?

He hasn't, the argument is "if bill won't play him then that must mean he sucks and is worse than cam newton" it also takes into account that bills decision making is perfect and can't be questioned.

Now bills reasoning might be cam newton gives them a better chance to "win" which I can buy because he has been in the league longer. And I can buy that Bill is sticking with newton because he is a positive influence in the locker room and guys love him. Why upset the applecart if you aren't winning and he's helping these young guys?

My thought is there is no telling he is worse than newton. Until he plays a full game after a week of prep with the starters. bill has a tendency to play veterans over the newer guys this year.

Meyers, harris and unche were getting no playing time earlier in the year and posters were similarly saying they must suck if Bentley is playing over him or Michel is playing over harris.

Now in no way am I saying Stidham is the answer or an answer. But cam newton has no place on this team next year and we are not making the playoffs.

Maybe he sucks and cr@ps his pants. But it's not any different result than watching cam newton pass for barely one hundred yards and throw pick sixes.

 

[lancerman]

Even Tebow had a big moment in his career - and it was a lot bigger than anything Stidham has ever done.

Yeah Tebow actually won games starting and won a playoff game and he was still viewed as trash and Elway got rid of him as soon as he could (and there were reports in Denver that Elway was fuming that Tebow kept winning because he didn't want him and didn't want to fight the public). Even Bill cut him.

 

[Ring 6]

If he really had plans to start him to see what he’s got, it would have happened already. The move would also be permanent, as Cam is being paid peanuts and can easily be shown the exit sign. It didn’t happen and that tells me all I need to know.

You wanna compare this to Brady? Bill was ready to bench Drew Bledsoe who was way better than Cam is. Now Bill is saying no thank you to benching Cam for Stidham. Hmmm...

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I disagree. I see it as belichick valuing veteran players and trying to build a team around minimizing the QB instead of relying on a guy with basically one camp, one preseason and no time with the 1s.
There is no question that it is riskier to play an inexperienced player even if he is a better player. That decision is not about talent it’s about experience and risk.
That he was ready to bench Bledsoe is an unproven urban legend.

If it does happen now - Bill is playing out the string and nothing more. He isn’t getting an evaluation. It’s done. I have no interest in seeing a JAG backup QB who will never be a starter start these last 3 games. Probably wouldn’t watch much tbh. I’d rather see the audition for 2021 of the guy who could possibly be our starting QB in 2021. That would be Cam, flaws and all.

I guess if you think there is any chance that bill belichick would watch cam Newton play this year and bring him back next year we should stop the discussion because we might as well be discussing how your madden season is going.

 

[Ring 6]

Even Tebow had a big moment in his career - and it was a lot bigger than anything Stidham has ever done.

That’s because Tebow had an opportunity. He sucked but he got an opportunity and could be evaluated.

 

[Ring 6]

He hasn't, the argument is "if bill won't play him then that must mean he sucks and is worse than cam newton" it also takes into account that bills decision making is perfect and can't be questioned.

Now bills reasoning might be cam newton gives them a better chance to "win" which I can buy because he has been in the league longer. And I can buy that Bill is sticking with newton because he is a positive influence in the locker room and guys love him. Why upset the applecart if you aren't winning and he's helping these young guys?

My thought is there is no telling he is worse than newton. Until he plays a full game after a week of prep with the starters. bill has a tendency to play veterans over the newer guys this year.

Meyers, harris and unche were getting no playing time earlier in the year and posters were similarly saying they must suck if Bentley is playing over him or Michel is playing over harris.

Now in no way am I saying Stidham is the answer or an answer. But cam newton has no place on this team next year and we are not making the playoffs.

Maybe he sucks and cr@ps his pants. But it's not any different result than watching cam newton pass for barely one hundred yards and throw pick sixes.

No we have to cut Harris and Meyers too because obviously when bb didn’t play then last year it means they suck and will forever.