Content Post N'Keal Harry (lack of) Progress Report

[lancerman]

I'd say this situation is a special case, I've never really seen a worse passing offense.

Why couldn’t Tom Brady get Harry to produce? Why do 3 receivers on this ream currently have more yards? Why are 3 receivers on this teak currently averaging more yards per reception? Why do 3 receivers on this team currently have more receptions?

 

[Ross12]

I actually felt Harry looked pretty good this last game. Newton was total garbage, but Harry made one nice grab and ran an excellent deep route for a near-TD he would have caught if he wasn’t grabbed, of course the refs didn’t call DPI or holding for whatever reason. Obviously no stats to show for it, but he took a first step toward changing my opinion yesterday. Hope he can build on it.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I actually felt Harry looked pretty good this last game. Newton was total garbage, but Harry made one nice grab and ran an excellent deep route for a near-TD he would have caught if he wasn’t grabbed, of course the refs didn’t call DPI or holding for whatever reason. Obviously no stats to show for it, but he took a first step toward changing my opinion yesterday. Hope he can build on it.

Harry looked the part last night. In and out of his cuts, looked fast, his hands were solid. I am sure he will still struggle some but the game seems to be slowing down for him. Cross your fingers.

 

[50-yard-line]

Why couldn’t Tom Brady get Harry to produce? Why do 3 receivers on this ream currently have more yards? Why are 3 receivers on this teak currently averaging more yards per reception? Why do 3 receivers on this team currently have more receptions?

Harry is exactly as advertised coming out of college.

Both strengths and weaknesses: 2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: N'Keal Harry

He's not an explosive burner and won't get much separation. His game is contested catches (and red zone?) - Anquan Bolden-type. As advertised. Good blocker, good at overpowering a corner for the ball.

It was no secret in the draft. The question then is: if Brady wouldn't throw to guys like that, preferring the Edelman twitch-open style, and if McDaniels won't scheme/Belichick won't accept the jump-ball style, why the f*** did they draft him with AJ Brown (my favorite) and Deebo Samuel (my other favorite) sitting on the board?

I have a hard time blaming Harry, given Brady last year and especially Newton this year, but if a team isn't going to match its picks to its desired style...well, isn't that exactly how BB keeps finding people like Vrabel and Van Noy? Square peg/round hole and all that.

Harry would, and likely will, have a good career - somewhere else. Watching the Seattle game, the TD catch last week, and the fighting last night tells me that he's an NFL receiver.

It's like with Metcalf. Perfect system with him in Seattle as Wilson throws those sky-balls. Get Harry in the right system for him, and with a QB and OC who want to get him the ball, and he'll perform.

 

[Nunchucks]

Why couldn’t Tom Brady get Harry to produce? Why do 3 receivers on this ream currently have more yards? Why are 3 receivers on this teak currently averaging more yards per reception? Why do 3 receivers on this team currently have more receptions?

None of these questions mean anything nor would they change the fact that I may have never seen worse qb play.

 

[Toofy]

Harry is exactly as advertised coming out of college.

Both strengths and weaknesses: 2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: N'Keal Harry

He's not an explosive burner and won't get much separation. His game is contested catches (and red zone?) - Anquan Bolden-type. As advertised. Good blocker, good at overpowering a corner for the ball.

It was no secret in the draft. The question then is: if Brady wouldn't throw to guys like that, preferring the Edelman twitch-open style, and if McDaniels won't scheme/Belichick won't accept the jump-ball style, why the f*** did they draft him with AJ Brown (my favorite) and Deebo Samuel (my other favorite) sitting on the board?

I have a hard time blaming Harry, given Brady last year and especially Newton this year, but if a team isn't going to match its picks to its desired style...well, isn't that exactly how BB keeps finding people like Vrabel and Van Noy? Square peg/round hole and all that.

Harry would, and likely will, have a good career - somewhere else. Watching the Seattle game, the TD catch last week, and the fighting last night tells me that he's an NFL receiver.

It's like with Metcalf. Perfect system with him in Seattle as Wilson throws those sky-balls. Get Harry in the right system for him, and with a QB and OC who want to get him the ball, and he'll perform.

Totally agree.. he might thrive in a better system. Right now no big name receiver would want to come to patriots. Unless the offense and receiver philosophy changes.

Harry would do great with Matt ryan who throws a ton of those contested balls..

I am sure after Harry's last week performance there would be teams salivating at the prospect of getting red zone threat for cheap if harry gets cut...

We need to try to maximize his strengths , just like what they do with cam by not passing... Why separate yardsticks for different set. Of players.. reserve judgement on harry till we get a proper quarterback.

 

[lancerman]

None of these questions mean anything nor would they change the fact that I may have never seen worse qb play.

They mean quite a few things

1. It means he had a chance with another QB and the narrative either is:

A) he still didn’t produce with GOAT QB throwing to him

B) the GOAT QB wrote him off as not wort it.

Neither one of those suggests anything good about him.

2. Other WR’s who have the same struggling QB are producing more. If Edelman was back right now then Harry would be 4th in production after Edelman, Byrd and Meyers.

That does actually mean something that a first round QB isn’t even standing out amongst guys who are merely have a middling statistical season.

Okay Cam isn’t playing well? Why isn’t Harry clearly established as the most productive WR and go to target?

 

[Nunchucks]

They mean quite a few things

1. It means he had a chance with another QB and the narrative either is:

A) he still didn’t produce with GOAT QB throwing to him

B) the GOAT QB wrote him off as not wort it.

Neither one of those suggests anything good about him.

2. Other WR’s who have the same struggling QB are producing more. If Edelman was back right now then Harry would be 4th in production after Edelman, Byrd and Meyers.

That does actually mean something that a first round QB isn’t even standing out amongst guys who are merely have a middling statistical season.

Okay Cam isn’t playing well? Why isn’t Harry clearly established as the most productive WR and go to target?

You are talking about a rookie wr who was hurt in training camp and was brought back from IR. Do you believe in context at all?

All I am saying is I haven't made up my mind on him. He gets an incomplete. I see good things and bad things.

You are doing everything you can to make excuses for Cam. Cam is terrible, just accept it.

 

[Toofy]

They mean quite a few things

1. It means he had a chance with another QB and the narrative either is:

A) he still didn’t produce with GOAT QB throwing to him

B) the GOAT QB wrote him off as not wort it.

Neither one of those suggests anything good about him.

2. Other WR’s who have the same struggling QB are producing more. If Edelman was back right now then Harry would be 4th in production after Edelman, Byrd and Meyers.

That does actually mean something that a first round QB isn’t even standing out amongst guys who are merely have a middling statistical season.

Okay Cam isn’t playing well? Why isn’t Harry clearly established as the most productive WR and go to target?

Because Harry's strengths and cams strengths do not intersect. Cam cannot really throw the jump balls precisely without getting intercepted and harry is not a slot guy who gets separation. Cams bread and butter has been the 10-20 yard throws when receivers have more than 3 yards of separation with at least 10 seconds in pocket.

That skillset intersects with Meyers and Byrd. Same reason why james white has been unproductive. Cams shortcomings shouldn't cloud our perceptions on our receivers abilities. Each ones abilities and strengths are different. We need a QB to judge our receivers and cam is a running back disguised in a QB robe.

 

[condon84]

They mean quite a few things

1. It means he had a chance with another QB and the narrative either is:

A) he still didn’t produce with GOAT QB throwing to him

B) the GOAT QB wrote him off as not wort it.

Neither one of those suggests anything good about him.

2. Other WR’s who have the same struggling QB are producing more. If Edelman was back right now then Harry would be 4th in production after Edelman, Byrd and Meyers.

That does actually mean something that a first round QB isn’t even standing out amongst guys who are merely have a middling statistical season.

Okay Cam isn’t playing well? Why isn’t Harry clearly established as the most productive WR and go to target?

Harry's skillset does not match what Brady likes to do best. Kind like what Arians wants to do on offense doesn't match what Brady likes to do. And Cam is even worse at throwing deep balls.

Funny enough, Harry would thrive in an Arians type offense more than a McDaniels offense.

 

[lancerman]

You are talking about a rookie wr who was hurt in training camp and was brought back from IR. Do you believe in context at all?

All I am saying is I haven't made up my mind on him. He gets an incomplete. I see good things and bad things.

You are doing everything you can to make excuses for Cam. Cam is terrible, just accept it.

I believe that the GOAT QB would salivate working with his first round 1 WR since he got here. I believe that we had a huge WR issue last year when Harry came back and if he showed anything at all he would have gotten ample opportunity. I believe that he played all of this year and has been clearly outplayed and out produced by Edelman, Meyers and Byrd. I believe despite Cam Newton being the QB that Meyers was able to shine and prove he deserved more reps. So I don’t buy this “it’s impossible Cam” stuff. Even if it was, why isn’t Harry the best of a bad situation,

Seriously if we drafted a WR in round 2 and picked up a league average WR in free agency, with those two on the roster what has Harry done to stay here over Edelman, Byrd or Meyers? Would he even still be on the team if you didn’t consider where he was drafted?

Had nothing to do with Cam.

 

[notex]

OK I finally got a glimpse of why we drafted Harry. He made a few difficult catches in traffic. I am NOT writing him off. No, not DK Metcalf. But he is worth a roster spot. Why on earth don't we throw him fades on the goal line? we are so predictable...

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

People will get a glimpse of hope with this guy because of what they saw last night. It was 3 for 49 yards. Biggest output since week 2 with 72 yards. I still have doubts even with a crappy QB like cam.

 

[203Pat]

Most of this still comes down to qb play. After last night the few remaining Cam is ok people are hiding in their basements, of course they are mostly the Tompa bay fans like 203 who were hiding there from the last Tom interception and loss anyway, right 203? Mom bringing you down those hot pockets? Careful not to burn your mouth they are hot.
It is really hard to judge a wr if the qb can’t throw, and that should be obvious to everyone right now. I still don’t know if he is any good, but 3 catches for 49 out of 150 yards of passing from both qbs is 1/3 of the total and led the team in yardage. He will be back next season. Hopefully we will have a game where Stidham starts this season, but otherwise we will have to wait till next year with a real qb to see what we have in Harry.

I'm starting to think you have a crush on me. Your logic makes no sense. Why would the "Cam is ok" people be the "Tompa" Bay fans?

Also what does Tom throwing an interception and losing the game 2 weeks ago have to do with N'Keal Harry?

By the way any more grammar lessons for anyone professor?

 

[Kdo5]

He made a few nice grabs on bad passes. But it didn’t move the needle. The hope is that it gives him a little confidence. I guess I can at least say he has pretty good hands.

 

[Calhoun44]

I think if anyone had not watched a Patriots game all year and watched that game, they would have thought Harry was a solid NFL player. I am encouraged by his play last night. Also, IMO, the block in the back call was not worthy of a flag. But it wasn't a big play that affected the outcome.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He made a few nice grabs on bad passes. But it didn’t move the needle. The hope is that it gives him a little confidence. I guess I can at least say he has pretty good hands.

That is right. Agree. Now you can decide if the glass is half full or half empty. No-one can make that decision for you.

 

[captain stone]

The best news about Harry from last night is that he wasn't one of the reasons we lost...like he almost usually is...

So we have that going for us...

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

OK I finally got a glimpse of why we drafted Harry. He made a few difficult catches in traffic. I am NOT writing him off. No, not DK Metcalf. But he is worth a roster spot. Why on earth don't we throw him fades on the goal line? we are so predictable...

Agreed. He is learning. As is Stidham. Who knows where either one will end up but they are both young and have the necessary skills. Can they mature and adapt to the professional game? We will see. At least we have two skilled guys with potential at skill positions. Can you criticize both of them as they learn and struggle to adapt? Of course. But encouraging them is the more positive, team supportive approach. BB will quickly cut them loose if they stop learning and progressing, or develop a bad attitude.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The best news about Harry from last night is that he wasn't one of the reasons we lost...like he almost usually is...

So we have that going for us...

You called him "Harry". What happened to your (forgetable) nickname approach?