OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Kontradiction]

Dude, you said that Evans was on pace for a career-high in yards (and touchdowns). I pointed out that it was impossible to achieve what he did in 2015, 2016, and 2018. Now you are qualifying it based off of all the talent the Bucs have on offense...you're wrong here, just admit it.

I already mentioned I was inaccurate on the yardage.

I rated those other QBs higher than Brady because they are turning the ball over less than he is for the most part.

That’s pretty funny. Because you specifically mentioned rating as your reason. You’re getting all turned around here.

Why would you do that when, as has been pointed out by not only people in this thread, but also by Romo yesterday, not all of those are his fault. That actually applies to any QB. Most INTs are the result of either miscommunication or the receiver running the wrong route. Poor or errant throws, especially by top 9/10 QBs, as you rate Brady yourself, come in behind communication failures and wrong/poor routes

And you were the one who brought up QB rating as a measure of how great Brady is playing now, did you not? I am merely pointing out there are a dozen or starting QBs who have a higher rating than Brady does.

Yeah... on top of yardage and TDs. You picked rating to perseverate on, for whatever reason, so I dismantled that.

Sure Brady is playing at a high level, if you mean above average.

By the Oxford definition of high level on top of your own rankings (first top 10, then top 9), he’s playing at a high (read - above average) level.

Oh, I thought your photographic memory was failing you or something...

If I see the post where I called the coaching staff in Tampa “good enough,” you might have a point.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I already mentioned I was inaccurate on the yardage.



That’s pretty funny. Because you specifically mentioned rating as your reason. You’re getting all turned around here.

would you do that when, as has been pointed out by not only people in this thread, but also by Romo yesterday, not all of those are his fault. That actually applies to any QB. Most INTs are the result of either miscommunication or the receiver running the wrong route. Poor or errant throws, especially by top 9/10 QBs, as you rate Brady yourself, come in behind communication failures and wrong/poor routes



Yeah... on top of yardage and TDs. You picked rating to perseverate on, for whatever reason, so I dismantled that.



By the Oxford definition of high level on top of your own rankings (first top 10, then top 9), he’s playing at a high (read - above average) level.




If I see the post where I called the coaching staff in Tampa “good enough,” you might have a point.

28 TDs, 11 INTs, 3,300 yards, 95.1 rating in a completely different system after two decades in the E-P isn’t playing at a high level for you?

Here's your original quote. You were the first to mention QB rating, not me.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I think we need to stop comparing Brady to Mahomes or Rodgers which are for me the two best QBs in football right now.

Even with the weapon he has Brady is 43 and he is not the same as 33. I think it’s a little disingenuous to expect Brady to put up Mahomes number.

this year he could throw for 40 TD which would be his most since 2007. That’s pretty great. He will throw for 4400 yards as usual. His INT are up, he makes more mistakes yes but that’s where you see his decline IMO. I think his INT are up also because he takes more chances this year than before. Now he is on pace for 15 which would be 1 more than his worst year. It’s not like he is shattering it.

he has been hurt also by drops. TB is now the second worst team in drops with 22.

he is pretty much on par for what he has been doing for all his career. For example this year he has a Qbr of 69.7 and when he won the MVP in 2017 he had a Qbr of 70.6. Tom Brady wasn’t the top statistical QB year in year out. What made him was his clutchness in the playoff and we will see if he still has that or not. But it’s a little disingenuous to ask him at 43 to put up Mahomes number to consider him playing at high level

 

[carmelo15]

Arians and Brady have issues. Obviously I have no inside knowledge but there seems to be some trouble brewing in that locker room.

Ya it’s the players saying **** this dude who blames everyone on the roster and never takes responsibility

 

[carmelo15]

yeah keep making excuses for his poor play...it’s you and a few other clowns who can’t get over the fact that Brady is 43 years old and isn’t nearly the same anymore. last year it was Bill’s fault. this year it’s Arians.

poor play haha hold the L man

 

[carmelo15]

It’s as if people weren’t even listening yesterday when Romo was breaking down some very basic stuff. Either that, or it just flew in the face of whatever preconceived biases they have, so they tuned him out.

they probably muted it

 

[Kontradiction]

Here's your original quote. You were the first to mention QB rating, not me.

Yes. Along with yardage and touchdowns..: which is what I just said in my last post. Are you okay?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yes. Along with yardage and touchdowns..: which is what I just said in my last post. Are you okay?

Which are already accounted for in the QB rating formula...so they don't add anything

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

I think we need to stop comparing Brady to Mahomes or Rodgers which are for me the two best QBs in football right now.

Even with the weapon he has Brady is 43 and he is not the same as 33. I think it’s a little disingenuous to expect Brady to put up Mahomes number.

this year he could throw for 40 TD which would be his most since 2007. That’s pretty great. He will throw for 4400 yards as usual. His INT are up, he makes more mistakes yes but that’s where you see his decline IMO. I think his INT are up also because he takes more chances this year than before. Now he is on pace for 15 which would be 1 more than his worst year. It’s not like he is shattering it.

he has been hurt also by drops. TB is now the second worst team in drops with 22.

he is pretty much on par for what he has been doing for all his career. For example this year he has a Qbr of 69.7 and when he won the MVP in 2017 he had a Qbr of 70.6. Tom Brady wasn’t the top statistical QB year in year out. What made him was his clutchness in the playoff and we will see if he still has that or not. But it’s a little disingenuous to ask him at 43 to put up Mahomes number to consider him playing at high level

Good post. Bradys 43, hes not 30. Hes older, still has a big arm, maybe not as decisive anymore, but he's playing better than anyone could expect out of someone that's FOURTY THREE. He's easily going to eclipse 30 touchdowns, 4,000 yards, and probably get 10 wins. That's a fantastic season for where he's at in his life, and well above average.

Hes a top 5/6 QB still in the league. The Bucs still have flaws, I think people were a little overzealous with 12 wins. I still think they could manage 11, but 10 is the safe play. Wild card team.

 

[carmelo15]

Something tells me that Brady had a conversation with Romo prior to the game.

Or Romo isn’t an idiot he’s basically saying what’s been said on this forum and on bucs forums. How do you keep going deep with an average line and teams playing 2 deep safeties. Teams are blitzing Tampa like 90% of the time on 3rd downs knowing they are going long and it ends up bad for Tampa all the time

 

[carmelo15]

28 TDs, 11 INTs, 3,300 yards, 95.1 rating in a completely different system after two decades in the E-P isn’t playing at a high level for you?

Brady took his GF there’s no high level play to him

 

[carmelo15]

Thank you. He made it simple for everyone to understand. They don’t run to set up play action. They don’t motion to show the defensive set. They don’t set manageable down and distance.

On the 2nd pick Romo made it clear that Evans should have broke off his route as it was a blitz on his side. He should have been the safety outlet going to the spot the blitzer came from. That’s where Tom looked to throw and Evans continued into his route, causing the pick.

min the rolling drive literally two plays later Tampa blitzed and Hill sat in the vacated spot like Romo was talking about too

 

[carmelo15]

Look at what Cam has to work with and compare that to Brady. Brady should be 9-3 at worst right now with the talent he has around him. On the other hand, Cam should probably be 3-8.

this actually made me laugh this guy is good man

 

[Kontradiction]

Which are already accounted for in the QB rating formula...so they don't add anything

They give context (which is important when analyzing any stat) and also stand out on their own. Get some sleep and try again tomorrow.

 

[Kontradiction]

Brady took his GF there’s no high level play to him

Meh. His new girlfriend is good enough.

 

[sb1]

LOL, they are probably the 4th or 5th most likely to represent the NFC behind Seattle, New Orleans, LAR, and GB.

I don’t know about that - I thought they played really well on both sides of the ball in the second half. Hung right in there with imo the best team and QB in football and almost a really impressive comeback. I think they have a good shot if they get hot.

 

[carmelo15]

Silver is close to Brady. If this was a lie, Silver would never report it.

literally just had someone post how biased the dude is vs Brady smh come on man

People are putting way too much weight on the coaching here. Even without Silver story that Brady is pick the plays used, I have felt this offense is the offense Brady always wanted but Belichick and McDaniels never gave him. I think Brady likes a more of a down the field, quick strike offense. What QB doesn't?

But I think people are using Arians too much of a crutch to ignore the fact that Brady is declining as a QB even if it isn't a fall off the cliff. Arians is not a great coach, but he isn't an awful one either. He's average. There are a lot of worse coaches out there. I have said it before, if Aaron Rodgers can win a Super Bowl and two league MVPs with Mike McCarthy, Brady in his prime could overcome anything Arians could do wrong.

So Brady is calling go routes 90% of the time even though they did that last year? Was he calling plays for them last year as well? We saw them in the second half move the ball effortlessly when they went to intermediate routes and play action stuff which Brady excels at. The offense looked totally different on the second half.

 

[sb1]

LOL. Trollin just can’t resist.

 

[PP2]

This is a statement of the utmost dumbassery. Sure, Brady may call a play here or there (he called all the plays on the two hurry up drives that got them to within 3 points) but it's still Arians's playbook- and it's still mostly vertical concepts. I didn't see one ****ing pick, rub route, or crossers yesterday. Those are what Brady loves to feast on against a cover 2.

A simple eye test for some people in here who have severely compromised comprehension skills- just watch the Bucs receivers on the TV screen and count how many times, and how many of them just run in a straight line- that's a go route. You will not see a single play without a vertical route.

 

[carmelo15]

I don’t know about that - I thought they played really well on both sides of the ball in the second half. Hung right in there with imo the best team and QB in football and almost a really impressive comeback. I think they have a good shot if they get hot.

The only team I’d be scared of for them is NO that’s only if brees is back. I’d expect Payton to coach circles around that clown on the sidelines but NO chokes a lot and they won’t have the crowd advantage. I’m not scared of GB even in Lambo I think if Bowles gets his head out his ass they’d have enough to stop that offense. Brady will toss it all over them and Jones ran wild vs them last game. Seattle’s defense is absolutely terrible it would be a shoot out but Tampa actual has a chance stopping Seattle. The Rams are inconsistent and I’m not trusting a team starting Goeff.

Im with Romo all they have to do is play like they did that second half on offense