OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[SHOWTIME15]

If he’s top 10 (your words) out of 32 teams, he is playing at a level above the average. Therefore, by definition, he is playing at a high level. Your definition or my definition doesn’t mean a damned thing. Above is THE definition. Further, to make this more productive, name the 10 QBs you’re ranking above Brady.




Mike Evans is on pace to surpass his single season highs in both yardage and touchdowns. Godwin missed 4 games due to injury and has still been featured in games in which he’s played. Jones is enjoying a career year. Brady seems to be making the key personnel around him better.

I agree...he's an above-average quarterback right now. If that's your definition of high-level, then fine. And as I said, there are about 12 other "high-level" quarterbacks in the league right now based on QB rating. Not sure where you are getting your definition from, but high-level can take on numerous meanings. For example, a meeting between two high-level officials does not suggest a meeting between two guys who are of above-average rank.

Little chance Mike Evans is going to surpass 1500 yards, which was his season-high in 2018. With 4 games left, he would need over 200 yards per game.

 

[PF_SU]

Mike Evans is on pace to surpass his single season highs in both yardage and touchdowns.

That may be true for TDs, but for sure not for yardage. Right now he's average the least amount of yards per game of his career. He's on pace for less than 1000 yards, which he's never had in his career before.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

They have as good a chance as any top team in the NFC to get there imo.

LOL, they are probably the 4th or 5th most likely to represent the NFC behind Seattle, New Orleans, LAR, and GB.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

LOL, they are probably the 4th or 5th most likely to represent the NFC behind Seattle, New Orleans, LAR, and GB.

We saw the last few weeks that Seattle is not that good. They have one of the worse defense in the NFL. The Rams are as inconsistent as TB.

i am not totally disagreeing with you but for me there is NO, GB and a group with LAR, SEA and TB. If TB can get hot after the bye anything can happen!

 

[Rob0729]

For all of you who are throwing Arians/Leftwich under a bus, it seems as if Brady is the one picking all the Bucs' plays...this is what he wanted. He wanted to go somewhere where he would have more input into the offense and he got it. Except it's not working out...

NFL Network's Mike Silver: Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Bruce Arians says quarterback Tom Brady has been picking the plays

Silver is close to Brady. If this was a lie, Silver would never report it.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

We saw the last few weeks that Seattle is not that good. They have one of the worse defense in the NFL. The Rams are as inconsistent as TB.

i am not totally disagreeing with you but for me there is NO, GB and a group with LAR, SEA and TB. If TB can get hot after the bye anything can happen!

On the road in the playoffs, I'll take GB, NO, or Seattle over TB.

 

[Rob0729]

People are putting way too much weight on the coaching here. Even without Silver story that Brady is pick the plays used, I have felt this offense is the offense Brady always wanted but Belichick and McDaniels never gave him. I think Brady likes a more of a down the field, quick strike offense. What QB doesn't?

But I think people are using Arians too much of a crutch to ignore the fact that Brady is declining as a QB even if it isn't a fall off the cliff. Arians is not a great coach, but he isn't an awful one either. He's average. There are a lot of worse coaches out there. I have said it before, if Aaron Rodgers can win a Super Bowl and two league MVPs with Mike McCarthy, Brady in his prime could overcome anything Arians could do wrong.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

On the road in the playoffs, I'll take GB, NO, or Seattle over TB.

NO, GB sure not SEA

 

[Kontradiction]

I agree...he's an above-average quarterback right now. If that's your definition of high-level, then fine. And as I said, there are about 12 other "high-level" quarterbacks in the league right now based on QB rating. Not sure where you are getting your definition from, but high-level can take on numerous meanings. For example, a meeting between two high-level officials does not suggest a meeting between two guys who are of above-average rank.

That’s the Oxford definition. As in THE definition. If you cited him as a top 10 QB, which you did, then you agree that he’s playing at a high level by definition. TommyBrady12’s definition and KontradictioN’s definition are inconsequential.

I’m still awaiting the 10 QBs you’re rating higher than him as well as my supposed post calling their coaching staff “good enough” in the offseason. I have a photographic memory but I guess there’s always a chance I could have forgotten making that post.

Little chance Mike Evans is going to surpass 1500 yards, which was his season-high in 2018. With 4 games left, he would need over 200 yards per game.

True. I had forgotten his 2018 season.

 

[Kontradiction]

People are putting way too much weight on the coaching here. Even without Silver story that Brady is pick the plays used, I have felt this offense is the offense Brady always wanted but Belichick and McDaniels never gave him. I think Brady likes a more of a down the field, quick strike offense. What QB doesn't?

But I think people are using Arians too much of a crutch to ignore the fact that Brady is declining as a QB even if it isn't a fall off the cliff. Arians is not a great coach, but he isn't an awful one either. He's average. There are a lot of worse coaches out there. I have said it before, if Aaron Rodgers can win a Super Bowl and two league MVPs with Mike McCarthy, Brady in his prime could overcome anything Arians could do wrong.

Why would you expect that when, even in his prime, Brady couldn’t always overcome everything Belichick did wrong?

 

[Lagaffe_07]

People are putting way too much weight on the coaching here. Even without Silver story that Brady is pick the plays used, I have felt this offense is the offense Brady always wanted but Belichick and McDaniels never gave him. I think Brady likes a more of a down the field, quick strike offense. What QB doesn't?

But I think people are using Arians too much of a crutch to ignore the fact that Brady is declining as a QB even if it isn't a fall off the cliff. Arians is not a great coach, but he isn't an awful one either. He's average. There are a lot of worse coaches out there. I have said it before, if Aaron Rodgers can win a Super Bowl and two league MVPs with Mike McCarthy, Brady in his prime could overcome anything Arians could do wrong.

Every one knows he is declining as a QB yet everyone expect him to put up Mahomes number otherwise he is trash.

 

[Rob0729]

Still on pace for 4400 yards 37 TD 15 INT, 96 rating.

If he can cut down the INTs in the last 4 games, it is a pretty standard Brady year overall. Not a bad year for a 43 years old QB. Not an exceptional one. If the expectation for everyone was 5000 yards, 50 TD, 7 picks, 120 rating and MVP, I understand the disappointment.

If they can find their groove in the last 4 games, show consistency and pick at the end of the year. Tamps is going to be dangerous in the playoff.

Did you see Jameis Winston's stats from last year? Sure he had double the picks that Brady is on pace to have and I think four less TDs with more yards, but Winston sucks. He isn't even starting caliber.

And Brady TD average is misleading. He got nine of his 28 TDs in two games. He has four games left. He would have to get over 2 TDs a game and he has only done that twice in the last six games.

 

[Rob0729]

Why would you expect that when, even in his prime, Brady couldn’t always overcome everything Belichick did wrong?

I didn't say everything. I said anything. There is a distinct difference.

But you mocked me earlier in the season and I am looking right. You kept on telling me to stop it and admit I am wrong. Are you ready to do the same? It is becoming clear Brady is exactly what I said he was. No longer elite, but near the top of the second tier behind the elites.

 

[Rob0729]

Every one knows he is declining as a QB yet everyone expect him to put up Mahomes number otherwise he is trash.

That's not true. There are plenty of people on this board alone who think Brady is still the same Brady and it is because of Arians, Leftwich, and the talent around him that he isn't performing.

I don't expect him to put up Mahomes numbers. He is performing exactly how I expected him to perform. Basically as a top 5-10 QB (closer to 5 than 10) and not a top three QB like he used to be.

 

[Kontradiction]

I didn't say everything. I said anything. There is a distinct difference.

Okay. So change “everything” to “anything” and answer the question.

But you mocked me earlier in the season and I am looking right. You kept on telling me to stop it and admit I am wrong. Are you ready to do the same? It is becoming clear Brady is exactly what I said he was. No longer elite, but near the top of the second tier behind the elites.

Wasn’t aware the season is over today. Come back to this after they’re eliminated or win. And who are you ranking above him? Mahomes is an obvious one. Maybe Rodgers (who Brady beat). Who else?

 

[Rob0729]

Okay. So change “everything” to “anything” and answer the question.


Wasn’t aware the season is over today. Come back to this after they’re eliminated or win. And who are you ranking above him? Mahomes is an obvious one. Maybe Rodgers (who Brady beat). Who else?

Brady could overcome anything Belichick did wrong, but not everything he did wrong.

There are four games left in the season. The Bucs' offense is still inconsistent and Brady is also. That has been the case the entire season through 12 games. What makes you think we are going to see Brady be elite for the rest of the season and into the playoffs? There is nothing you can see from his play over the last month that suggests that.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

He has four games left. He would have to get over 2 TDs a game and he has only done that twice in the last six games

What???

for you information Brady has thrown 14 TDs in his last 6 games. That’s if I am counting right which you have a problem to do, 2,33 TD a game.

KC: 3 TD
LAR: 2 TD
CAR: 3 TD
NO: 0 TD
NYG: 2 TD
LV: 4 TD

And if he throws for or more than 37, it would be his most since 2011 and if he throws for or more than 39 it would be his most since 2007

 

[203Pat]

I have no idea why people think Brady just wants to chuck the ball 40 yards down the field every play. Like he has just gone mad with power now and wants to throw bombs all over the field when he sees it isn't working. Maybe, just maybe, it really is the head coach who's offense is based off of "no risk it no biscuit" and likes chucking the ball down the field. Every QB under Arians throws a lot of picks, especially in their first year. He doesn't seem to be willing to change and him once again throwing Brady under the bus is just childish.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That’s the Oxford definition. As in THE definition. If you cited him as a top 10 QB, which you did, then you agree that he’s playing at a high level by definition. TommyBrady12’s definition and KontradictioN’s definition are inconsequential.

I’m still awaiting the 10 QBs you’re rating higher than him as well as my supposed post calling their coaching staff “good enough” in the offseason. I have a photographic memory but I guess there’s always a chance I could have forgotten making that post.



True. I had forgotten his 2018 season.

You forgot both Evans' 2015, 2016, and 2018 seasons. He won't even come close to matching receiving yards from those years. At best, Evans will get 1000 yards this year.

As far as QBs with a higher rating than Brady, there's Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Rodgers, Allen, Herbert, Bridgewater, Murray, Cousins, Carr, Tannehill, Roethlisberger, and Brees. I would rate all of them over Brady right now except Herbert, Bridgewater, Cousins, and Carr.

 

[PF_SU]

Mahomes is an obvious one. Maybe Rodgers (who Brady beat). Who else?

Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson. In similar range as Tannehill and Drew Brees before he got injured.