OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[TheRainMaker]

I had the Bucs going 13-3 at worst with the O-line and secondary as the biggest worry. But, it's bizarre seeing TB losing games the way he has this season. He looks fine physically, but there's just something off with the way he's seeing the field. He's underachieved big time with the amount of talent he has on the field.

 

[bigballas]

It had the Bucs going 13-3 at worst with the O-line and secondary as the biggest worry. But, it's bizarre seeing TB losing games the way he has this season. He looks fine physically, but there's just something off with the way he's seeing the field.

probably no practice videos of the other team?

(im joking)

 

[sb1]

Guy does love to make excuses.

Doubt his coaches will let him but I think if Brady can get the reins off and call his own plays like he did in NE over the years - then I think that offense will live up to its hype or at least closer to it.

 

[sb1]

probably no practice videos of the other team?

(im joking)

McDaniels is the expert on that, maybe he could chime in.

 

[203Pat]

I had the Bucs going 13-3 at worst with the O-line and secondary as the biggest worry. But, it's bizarre seeing TB losing games the way he has this season. He looks fine physically, but there's just something off with the way he's seeing the field. He's underachieved big time with the amount of talent he has on the field.

Some of his interceptions this year have been wild. A couple can be chalked up to miscommunications but there have been multiple throws he has just chucked up fro grabs or completely missed seeing a defender. I don't know if it is that Arians his pushing his "no risk it no biscuit" stupidity or if Brady just panics without his Edelman type safety valve.

 

[JMC00]

The Pats offense is averaging more yards a game and yards per play than Tampa's . He can get f**ked with the continuity excuse

 

[sb1]

The Pats offense is averaging more yards a game than Tampa's. He can get f**ked with the continuity excuse

I wonder if this was some dig at Brady. We know what Arians said about Brown in the offseason...

 

[203Pat]

Doubt his coaches will let him but I think if Brady can get the reins off and call his own plays like he did in NE over the years - then I think that offense will live up to its hype or at least closer to it.

I agree. They seem to be taking way more deep shots than Brady has attempted outside of maybe 2007 and I would assume that is BA not wanted to give up his offense. I feel like there has to be at least some small amount of friction between Brady and Arians based on some of Arians comments and the fact that Tom lobbied for, and got, a guy whom Arians said would not be signed.

 

[amfootball]

The Pats offense is averaging more yards a game and yards per play than Tampa's . He can get f**ked with the continuity excuse

LOL. They are 6th in points. Pats are 27th. Yards mean nothing unless they lead to points.

 

[amfootball]

Some of his interceptions this year have been wild. A couple can be chalked up to miscommunications but there have been multiple throws he has just chucked up fro grabs or completely missed seeing a defender. I don't know if it is that Arians his pushing his "no risk it no biscuit" stupidity or if Brady just panics without his Edelman type safety valve.

Probably all of the above. Brady had zero off-season and a whole new system to learn and environment to navigate. It will take time for things to be consistent every week which is why the team is so up and down. That being said, the Rams defense is really, really good. They beat Seattle and held that offense to just 16 points with 2 picks from Wilson.

 

[sb1]

Probably all of the above. Brady had zero off-season and a whole new system to learn and environment to navigate. It will take time for things to be consistent every week which is why the team is so up and down. That being said, the Rams defense is really, really good. They beat Seattle and held that offense to just 16 points with 2 picks from Wilson.

We're going to have a real problem against Donald and that pass rush. I hope the OL is up to the challenge.

 

[amfootball]

We're going to have a real problem against Donald and that pass rush. I hope the OL is up to the challenge.

Yeah. They look as impressive as they did in 2018. Of course they still have Goff so you can't pick them to win the whole thing.

 

[Newton England]

Brady is the greatest game manager of all-time

Look at the 6 championships - great players up and down the roster

 

[catent]

Lots of speculation, and certainly the Tampa coaching staff leaves a lot to be desired, but I think an under-discussed element of Brady's slippage is his arm strength.

It's so subtle, he hasn't lost a ton of velocity, and it certainly didn't happen overnight like with Manning so we don't notice the big drop, but I think his arm has been slipping a bit since 2016'ish. You get a 2-3% drop-off per season, aggregated over 4-5 years, and here we are.

What does this actually mean? Downfield throws are more challenging; his feet have to be perfect set and he needs a significant 'step-in' or the ball is underthrown. Throws outside the numbers are tougher to come by. Any kind of pressure in Brady's lap that affects his ability to step into throws will considerably impact the velocity of the ball. The overall margin for error is much smaller because the ball is arriving a split-second later.

Go watch Brady highlights from 2007. Or hell, even 2010. The ball was a rocket coming off his hand. He could flick the thing from the pocket, under pressure, without a perfect step-in, and the ball came off his hand hot. It just looked so much easier for him to throw the ball - he was an extremely talented passer to go along with his work-ethic, preparation, and intelligence. Now, he simply doesn't have the arm talent he used to. What's the drop-off? Probably 5-10%, maybe 15%, certainly not significant, but that split-second margin can make a really big difference.

Is he still the most intelligent QB in the league? Absolutely. Is his work-ethic and preparation still unmatched? Surely. Is his timing and decision making still pretty darn good? Yeah. Is he still a top-10 QB in the NFL (top-5 on a good day)? I think so. But he's 43 years old and has thrown thousands of NFL passes ... the arm just isn't what it used to be.

I think we really underrate the impact of lost arm strength - the ability to flick the ball and get it anywhere you want and on time is huge; when that goes, the margin for error shrinks and begins to place a spotlight on decision-making and timing, because you don't have a live arm to open up the margin for error. It's not just the arm strength itself -- it's the trickle down impact that has on everything else.

I still think Tom can win and compete at a high-level in his current condition, but it won't be under a myopic coach like Arians, passing the ball down the field 40 times per game. Setting aside their offensive talent, from a coaching/scheme perspective Tampa was one of the worst fits for Tom at this stage of his career. He should've stayed in New England, accepted 2020 as bridge season, and got ready for a final 2-3 year push from 2021-2023 with their salary space.

 

[catent]

LOL. They are 6th in points. Pats are 27th. Yards mean nothing unless they lead to points.

Could've made this point without the condescending "LOL" preceding it.

"They are 6th in points. Pats are 27th. Yards mean nothing unless they lead to points."

 

[libra957]

The tampa bay style doesn't fit Tom. That offense is too obsessed with bombs down the field. Its a vanilla philosophy that's easy to counter. The pats offensive scheme is far more sophisticated.

 

[sb1]

Brady is the greatest game manager of all-time

Look at the 6 championships - great players up and down the roster

Brady hasn’t been a game manager QB in almost 2 decades.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

But, it's bizarre seeing TB losing games the way he has this season. He looks fine physically, but there's just something off with the way he's seeing the field. He's underachieved big time with the amount of talent he has on the field.

He's 43?

 

[Lagaffe_07]

When Arians will understand Brady strength maybe they can win something. They have the perfect combination of talent. Guys that can beat man coverage on the outside and speedy guy that can do damage in the slots and the middle of the fields. Brady strength is the middle of the field, not consistently throw deep ball on the outside.

like Luuked said there is no cohesion at all in the gameplan. It’s a bunch of plays stack together.

there has to be some friction between Brady and Arians. The reaction Brady had after the second picks was telling. I thought it was the typical: I didn’t want this play Bruce, you did and look what’s happened.

They need to do like with Manning in 13. They need to tell Tom, it’s your show, we’ll play with your offense.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

He's 43?

Honestly, I don’t think it’s his age. They are just not a group on offense. It’s a sum of individualities. There is no cohesion. So when you play bad defenses, you can win with just talent but when you play really good defenses, just the talent is not enough.