Cam is not the Answer

[scott99]

I like Cam a lot as a person. But he’s not a good QB, he’s not clutch, and he’s not the answer. Did he have a good game, well, in the 2nd half he did. But I never feel like the team has a chance to win when they’re behind. Cam NEVER gives me that feeling of confidence, that feeling of, ok, here we go, we got this. And unfortunately, he’s not gonna get much better, I really hope he doesn’t come back. Like I said, I like him, seems like a great guy, but he’s a below average QB. People who can’t see that, well can’t help you with that.

 

[FearNo.1]

How many f'n balls in the dirt? How many balls did JJ Watt knock down? Ho many times did he fail to set his feet before throwing? How many times did Cam hold the ball more than 5 seconds? It was a pathetic performance. Brutal.

I get it. This is the typical overreaction the sky is falling type threads that exist across most fan based message boards. Cam is far from perfect but he is also not the reason the Pat's lost today. 67 yards rushing against the worst rush defense in the NFL. Did you see the failed cut block attempts on nearly half the batter passes? I'm sure you missed them but that's the reason the balls were batted down by JJ Watt. No Qb is throwing accurate passes over the head of a completely extended airborne JJ Watt. And then you look at the defense. They gave up 27 points to the freaking 0-9 Jets with the offense turning over the ball 0 times. 27 points to the 2-7 texans (who only managed to put up 7 on the browns btw) with yet again 0 turnovers by the offense. Cam was far from being the reason they lost today. Far from it.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

The current group of QBs we have on the roster are not the answer. The future of the QB position is not on the roster.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I like Cam a lot as a person. But he’s not a good QB, he’s not clutch, and he’s not the answer. Did he have a good game, well, in the 2nd half he did. But I never feel like the team has a chance to win when they’re behind. Cam NEVER gives me that feeling of confidence, that feeling of, ok, here we go, we got this. And unfortunately, he’s not gonna get much better, I really hope he doesn’t come back. Like I said, I like him, seems like a great guy, but he’s a below average QB. People who can’t see that, well can’t help you with that.

Agree with a lot of this. He’s still the best we have currently so we just gotta roll with it.

 

[lancerman]

Since Cam did not contribute even remotely, what were the reasons?



It is one of the best OLines in the NFL. How good does the OLine have to be? The Texans line is much worse. How much responsibility is on Cam for not adjusting blitz pickup, holding the ball too long, and not stepping up to set his feet and deliver an accurate throw?



I agree that Cam is most likely the best option, but how do you know that Stidham is a bust after 27 snaps in the NFL?

When on the last 4th down play to likely win/lose the game the ball is snapped and in less than a second Cam is evading one rusher and then has 3 more on his ass within 4 seconds, that's on the line. When a skill player completely whiffs a block and Cam is hit as soon as he finishes his drop back, that's not an awareness thing, that's a "the line didn't do their job thing". The line has to be accountable to give him some time

 

[Nikolai]

Since Cam did not contribute even remotely, what were the reasons?

I outlined more salient reasons in this post.

 

[FearNo.1]

I like Cam a lot as a person. But he’s not a good QB, he’s not clutch, and he’s not the answer. Did he have a good game, well, in the 2nd half he did. But I never feel like the team has a chance to win when they’re behind. Cam NEVER gives me that feeling of confidence, that feeling of, ok, here we go, we got this. And unfortunately, he’s not gonna get much better, I really hope he doesn’t come back. Like I said, I like him, seems like a great guy, but he’s a below average QB. People who can’t see that, well can’t help you with that.

Quick name me one other starting QB in the superbowl era that had to make their living on throwing to a bunch of UDFA WRs?

Just a hint there isnt one. Cam is being asked to do more with the worst supporting cast ever fielded by an NFL team during the super bowl era. Go ahead and let that sink in for a minute

 

[Triumph]

Clam is a painful passer.

How many batted balls? His slider doesnt even reach the plate before hitting the dirt. The TV went out at the bar and I missed his 4th passing TD of the year.

 

[sportnik]

major injuries in 3 out of the last 4 seasons. Hard to call anyone like that an answer. Also while cam aint clutch jimmy is not much better in that sense either

BB & McDaniles know how to leverage JG's strengths. Much more so that Shanahan ever will.

If JG was with the Pats, we would have still won in 2017 & we'd be watching this f'n Pats porn every week. JG was Steve Young to Brady's Montana. It's a total tragedy that Bobby Kraft f'd it all up.

 

[Nikolai]

BB & McDaniles know how to leverage JG's strengths. Much more so that Shanahan ever will.

If JG was with the Pats, we would have still won in 2017 & we'd be watching this f'n Pats porn every week. JG was Steve Young to Brady's Montana. It's a total tragedy that Bobby Kraft f'd it all up.

Ahhhhhhh...I see now.

I'd be interested in kicking the tires if he's available this offseason, but he's not the long-term answer either.

 

[Thelonious]

I've seen enough. Newton is the polar opposite of the type of QB that will excel in the Pats O. We don't need a big arm. We don't need athleticism. We don't need a QB that kisses BB's ass. We need a QB that makes quick decisions and throws with accuracy. Did BB forget about his scouting report from 1991?

#1 is to make good decisions. Then arm, size, physicality, tough, leadership, guy other guys look up to and have confidence in, a real competitor. An emphasis in our game will be decision, timing, accuracy, guy needs to be confident, intelligence is important but not as much as field awareness & judgement. Can't be sloppy fundamentally, unsound guy with ball handling, tech, etc. Footwork, drops, release, etc. - QB has to throw the ball with accuracy.

I'd rather see the team go 2-14 & draft Lawrence than propel the franchise into perpetual mediocracy with Cam. This Cam thing isn't going to work & I can't watch another week of this BS.

This has been my view from the start. Cam is not a winning qb, not even close. He's inaccurate. He's apparently too lazy to work on his footwork. He can't read defenses. He lacks composure. The more critical the moment, the worse he is. The only reason he doesn't have more interceptions is that his throws are so far off neither the wideout nor the defender has a shot at catching them. He's pathetic. I have no idea what his supporters are seeing.

 

[jmt57]

I don't think anybody should have ever realistically thought Cam Newton was 'the answer'.

He is an inexpensive veteran bridge until the team's next long term quarterback.

Things could have been much worse: had Newton not been available (thanks to his coming off an injury, and in-house team visits delayed due to Covid), then the Patriots would have had to start Brian Hoyer and/or Jarrett Stidham over the course of the entire season.

If Newton causes fans to go into wild rage, just imagine a 2020 season with the combo of Hoyer/Stidham as your QB. Pats fans that didn't jump off the Tobin Bridge would be stroking out on a weekly basis.

 

[upstater1]

Cam needs to get set better for his mechanics. However, his receivers give him small windows and the line isn't helping.

The line had a rough outing today. But the line has been fantastic all year long. He's had plenty of time to throw (agree about the WRs though).

 

[scott99]

Quick name me one other starting QB in the superbowl era that had to make their living on throwing to a bunch of UDFA WRs?

Just a hint there isnt one. Cam is being asked to do more with the worst supporting cast ever fielded by an NFL team during the super bowl era. Go ahead and let that sink in for a minute

I disagree, hell Brady WON a SB with a WR cast of who’s who WR’s in 2001 (Troy Brown was the only good receiver on the roster). And that’s just one example. I’m sure I could find many more.

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't think anybody should have ever realistically thought Cam Newton was 'the answer'.

He is an inexpensive veteran bridge until the team's next long term quarterback.

Things could have been much worse: had Newton not been available (thanks to his coming off an injury, and in-house team visits delayed due to Covid), then the Patriots would have had to start Brian Hoyer and/or Jarrett Stidham over the course of the entire season.

If Newton causes fans to go into wild rage, just imagine a 2020 season with the combo of Hoyer/Stidham as your QB. Pats fans that didn't jump off the Tobin Bridge would be stroking out on a weekly basis.

Yeah but at least we’d probably be in the mix for Lawrence. We’ve had two useless wins now that have taken us out of that race, even with Cam. I’m sure we will all look back on those Jets and Ravens wins with fondness for the rest of our lives, though.

 

[Thelonious]

Agree with a lot of this. He’s still the best we have currently so we just gotta roll with it.

No, we do not. This season is OVER. Try Stidham. Give Warren Moon a jingle. Whatever. Just don't win any more games. That's a challenge this year's team can handle.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

BB & McDaniles know how to leverage JG's strengths. Much more so that Shanahan ever will.

If JG was with the Pats, we would have still won in 2017 & we'd be watching this f'n Pats porn every week. JG was Steve Young to Brady's Montana. It's a total tragedy that Bobby Kraft f'd it all up.

Counterpoint: if we kept JG and gotten rid of Brady than KC is currently sitting on back to back titles with a chance this year at a 3 peat because I don’t believe we win in arrowhead with JG at qb. Brady was as clutch as you could be at the end.

 

[sportnik]

Quick name me one other starting QB in the superbowl era that had to make their living on throwing to a bunch of UDFA WRs?

Just a hint there isnt one. Cam is being asked to do more with the worst supporting cast ever fielded by an NFL team during the super bowl era. Go ahead and let that sink in for a minute

Easy. In the 4th quarter of Super bowl LIX, TB12 was throwing to JE12 (7th rounder), Danny Amendola (UDFA), James White (4th Rounder), Marcus Bennet (acquired for a 6th rounder) & Malcom Mitchell (4th rounder). The OL was a 1st rounder (Soldier), a 3rd rounder (Thuney), a UDFA (Andrews), a 5th rounder (Mason) & a 5th Rounder (Cannon)...

 

[lancerman]

I disagree, hell Brady WON a SB with a WR cast of who’s who WR’s in 2001 (Troy Brown was the only good receiver on the roster). And that’s just one example. I’m sure I could find many more.

Troy Brown is better than every single WR we have today. Every single one. He was also in his prime.

 

[FearNo.1]

I disagree, hell Brady WON a SB with a WR cast of who’s who WR’s in 2001 (Troy Brown was the only good receiver on the roster). And that’s just one example. I’m sure I could find many more.

You can disagree all you want but facts are facts. Even on those teams Brady wasnt throwing to a bunch of UDFA's. Cam spread the ball to 8 different receivers. 5 had multiple catches and he did not turn the ball over. What's the defenses excuse for not getting to the QB and giving up 27 points to a 2-7 football team?

Or the fact that Harris only had 11 Carries for 40 yards against the NFLs worst rush defense?