The Official Patriots Opt Out Thread

[tasmlab]

With Nate Ebner gone and Brandon Bolden opting out, who will we all cut on our preseason roster projections?

 

[farn]

With Nate Ebner gone and Brandon Bolden opting out, who will we all cut on our preseason roster projections?

No doubt someone will whine about having both Bethel and Slater on the team ! « They play the same role and make 2M+ !?! »

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I hope they all opt out.

Key Points
Question: What are the cardiovascular effects in unselected patients with recent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Findings: In this cohort study including 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis.

Meaning: These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19.
Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From COVID-19

 

[italian pat patriot]

After an not easy day at the office i looked in delay the "news"...Cannon look the worst...

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Pats are going to sign Clowney or Griffin. Hightower is a tough loss but if there is one thing that Bill is able to do its find linebackers that fit the system. Chung might not be back next year and the secondary is deep. Cannon is tough.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I hope they all opt out.

Key Points
Question: What are the cardiovascular effects in unselected patients with recent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Findings: In this cohort study including 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis.

Meaning: These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19.
Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From COVID-19

I looked at the study - thanks for the link.

The study's results opening line is: Results Of the 100 included patients, 53 (53%) were male, and the median (interquartile range [IQR]) age was 49 (45-53) years.

I agree we need to know more, but posting a study with a median age of 45-53 and half the participants being female, without noting that, and implying the study applies to 25 - 33 year old men is not being fully transparent. Hard to take any comments serious from someone who does not openly admit the facts that mitigate the relevance of the study quoted.

 

[BTTA]

I looked at the study - thanks for the link.

The study's results opening line is: Results Of the 100 included patients, 53 (53%) were male, and the median (interquartile range [IQR]) age was 49 (45-53) years.

I agree we need to know more, but posting a study with a median age of 45-53 and half the participants being female, without noting that, and implying the study applies to 25 - 33 year old men is not being fully transparent. Hard to take any comments serious from someone who does not openly admit the facts that mitigate the relevance of the study quoted.

The information you provide might be useful but gets lost in the snark.

The study is still useful. It clearly has less value because of the study group. But a tiny portion of the research that needs to be done on COVID 19 has been completed, so we make choices in life with what info we have.

 

[Hyped]

My thoughts:

1.) I am happy that Hightower's contract will toll. He won't be a FA until 2022 now. Ditto for Chung/Cannon/Bolden/Vitale

2.) I am happy that we are going to see more rookies in action....for what might be a partial season.

3.) I still think we will be competitive without Bolden, Cannon, Chung, Hightower, and Vitale.

4.) The 2021 cap space WITHOUT needing to extend Hightower excites me!

 

[luuked]

Yes, but all that will be left is their base salary. If they are cut, then I think they get that money back on the cap. Hightower probably won't be cut, but Bolden or Cannon might.

Cannon still has about 2.5M in signing bonus / restructure coming due next year. Cutting him would still save about 6.5-7M depending on when he is cut relative to some of the weight and workout incentives he has.

 

[Ross12]

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1

I was thinking the exact same thing today about how glad I was that this didn't take place during a season where the Patriots were serious contenders. This is happening during a year where the Patriots were eating salary cap and rebuilding.

I guess that's the other side of the coin, yeah - at least it isn't a major contention year. The "glass half full" take lol.

 

[Ross12]

Yes, but all that will be left is their base salary. If they are cut, then I think they get that money back on the cap. Hightower probably won't be cut, but Bolden or Cannon might.

So is that how it works? The signing bonus portion of their cap hit remains but their actual salary advances up a year? That sets up an interesting situation if a player with a big signing bonus but a really small salary with only a year left on their deal opts out... They kind of guarantee themselves a job next year since the team would save basically nothing by cutting them. Though that might also make them nice in a trade? Lots of questions.

 

[Sciz]

Mike Lombardi says Bolden has a “medical condition,” so that might count as the higher risk opt out.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis.

Fits with Red Sox pitcher Rodriguez who has cardiomyopathy.

And this doesn't even talk about lung fibrosis, which appears to be common even in patients with mild disease. That's likely irreversible, and potentially the end of any football career.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

The study's results opening line is: Results Of the 100 included patients, 53 (53%) were male, and the median (interquartile range [IQR]) age was 49 (45-53) years.

I agree we need to know more, but posting a study with a median age of 45-53 and half the participants being female, without noting that, and implying the study applies to 25 - 33 year old men is not being fully transparent.

Males vs. females is very unlikely to make much difference - in general males do clearly worse than females with COVID.

Granted the age difference is real though. Younger people are much less severely affected. But even if that makes a 10x difference, you are still talking nearly a 10% chance of cardiac involvement that is potentially career ending (aside from the lung issue I mentioned previously).

 

[DaBruinz]

Do the Pats get an exemption for the Cap?

What do you mean by "get an exemption"?

Players who decide to opt out will have their salaries reduced to either $150K or $350K depending on their health status (normal vs. High risk). The Signing bonus amortization still hits. And their contracts toll (meaning they don't accrue a year and the contract is extended)

 

[Ross12]

I hope they all opt out.

Key Points
Question: What are the cardiovascular effects in unselected patients with recent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Findings: In this cohort study including 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis.

Meaning: These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19.
Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From COVID-19

Thanks for sharing, this is a topic I've had a hard time getting solid information on. As otherwise noted, the age group likely being a lot higher overall than the NFL age group does discount this slightly, but not entirely by any means - more information is definitely needed.

 

[farn]

I fear that a 2030 ad that starts with « where you or a loved one playing professional sports in 2020 ?.... » is a real possibility.

 

[BTTA]

I started this pandemic with the goal of not dying. Now, the goal is to string this out until the treatments are quick and powerful enough to dramatically reduce all these long term health problems. Bicycling regularly, hard and long, is really important to me, for a bunch of reasons. Ugh.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Defense got hammered, my goodness. Our entire LB corp

Would it make sense to keep our bu QB isolated somewhat? Not completely but as much as possible.

I think health and coaching will be huge. Who's smart and who's available when bodies are in & out of the lineup.

@203Pat mentioned it yesterday about a LB corp. What if a teams top 2 QBs are out for a few games?

BU QB is actually important. We've been blessed but look around the league. It's rough out there. One of the reasons I loved bringing in Cam was just the talent in the QB room. Him & Stidham could both be needed and are a better 1-2 lunch than most have imo.

 

[mgteich]

It’s tough most of our players opting out
are 30 and older. They may not play for the team again.

We have a winner!