Brady admits he wouldn't throw to receivers he didn't trust

[mgteich]

A conclusion based on reading this thread is that Brady should have had veto power on all WR acquisitions. That way, he would be at least a little bit invested in those players.

 

[Nunchucks]

The 'still successful' Eagles went 9-7 last year, while the Pats went 12-4 with Brady throwing to equally bad receivers. If the Eagles were still successful last year, then the Pats were not just successful, but considerably more successful.

I am talking about the offensive production. I am talking about making use of all the receiving group and not honing in on one guy.

 

[Nunchucks]

So the real question is, after 6 SB wins, 9 SB appearances, 13 AFCCG appearances, 3 MVP’s, twice as many playoff win as the 2nd place guy, the most wins of all time, multiple NFL records.... do we really trust the judgment of Tom Brady on who to throw the ball to?

Certainly last year. This is the NFL and every new year brings a new year of evaluation. Resting on what was done in the past is how a team ends up 5-11

 

[ViperGTS]

Certainly last year. This is the NFL and every new year brings a new year of evaluation. Resting on what was done in the past is how a team ends up 5-11

Winner Winner!

 

[Dr Pain]

This is what I hated about the evolution of Tom Brady. When he was younger it was who is your favorite receiver, the open one. Then it became they had to have his trust. Well how do you get trust without throws?

 

[mgteich]

The difference in value between a first rounder and a 4th rounder is greatly reduced if your quarterback greatly favors his returning WR's. This is especially true if the offense is difficult to learn.'

I'm not saying this was a terrible situation. It would just seem that considering value, it was better to use top draft picks on other positions.

Also, this notion that the Patriots resisted drafting receivers because Brady is notoriously hard to please is questionable at best.
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[upstater1]

The difference in value between a first rounder and a 4th rounder is greatly reduced if your quarterback greatly favors his returning WR's. This is especially true if the offense is difficult to learn.'

I'm not saying this was a terrible situation. It would just seem that considering value, it was better to use top draft picks on other positions.

But we have gone through a lot of churn at WR. A lot.

Who are these mainstays at WR? I only see Edelman.

Surely the Patriots could have used rookies to become those mainstays rather than rely on Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Brandon Lloyd, Kenbrell Tomkins, etc.

These are who the rookies would have to compete with year by year:

2018: Edelman, Dorsett, Hogan
2017: Brandin Cooks, Amendola, Hogan (Edelman's ACL year)
2016: Edelman, Amendola, Hogan
2015: Edelman, Amendola, LaFell
2014: Edelman, Amendola, LaFell
2013: Edelman, Amendola, (Dobson drafted)
2012: Welker, Lloyd
2011: Welker, Branch
2010: Welker, Branch, Tate

2006: Reche Caldwell, Troy Brown, Doug Gabriel!!!

I can make a case that they could have drafted a WR as an upgrade in every single year except 2017 and 2013 (where they did draft Dobson). 2017 is the only year they went into the season with a formidable receiving cast.

Otherwise, they could have upgraded on Dorsett, Hogan '16, LaFell '14 & '15, Tate, and a 3rd WR in '11 & '12.

I see a lot of need and opportunity to draft a WR in 6 of those 8 seasons.

 

[luuked]

But we have gone through a lot of churn at WR. A lot.

Who are these mainstays at WR? I only see Edelman.

Surely the Patriots could have used rookies to become those mainstays rather than rely on Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Brandon Lloyd, Kenbrell Tomkins, etc.

These are who the rookies would have to compete with year by year:

2018: Edelman, Dorsett, Hogan
2017: Brandin Cooks, Amendola, Hogan (Edelman's ACL year)
2016: Edelman, Amendola, Hogan
2015: Edelman, Amendola, LaFell
2014: Edelman, Amendola, LaFell
2013: Edelman, Amendola, (Dobson drafted)
2012: Welker, Lloyd
2011: Welker, Branch
2010: Welker, Branch, Tate

2006: Reche Caldwell, Troy Brown, Doug Gabriel!!!

I can make a case that they could have drafted a WR as an upgrade in every single year except 2017 and 2013 (where they did draft Dobson). 2017 is the only year they went into the season with a formidable receiving cast.

Otherwise, they could have upgraded on Dorsett, Hogan '16, LaFell '14 & '15, Tate, and a 3rd WR in '11 & '12.

I see a lot of need and opportunity to draft a WR in 6 of those 8 seasons.

The offense consists of more than just WRs. You had consistently very impactful flexbacks with Woodhead, Vereen and White and a GOAT-level TE that was a better receiving option than many #1 receivers.

Imo investing further into WRs would have diminishing returns.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

This is what I hated about the evolution of Tom Brady. When he was younger it was who is your favorite receiver, the open one. Then it became they had to have his trust. Well how do you get trust without throws?

Tommy Boy is a game film fanatic. Were he to watch film (using the word loosely) of non-trusted WRs running their routes correctly, making the right option decisions and getting open and catching throws by the other QBs in practice, then the not trusted wideout would become a trusted wideout.

 

[upstater1]

The offense consists of more than just WRs. You had consistently very impactful flexbacks with Woodhead, Vereen and White and a GOAT-level TE that was a better receiving option than many #1 receivers.

Imo investing further into WRs would have diminishing returns.

I'm flabbergasted at this take.

As though other teams don't have good RBs, and the Patriots certainly haven't had any Pro Bowl rbs, like other teams. Gronk was a huge asset of course.

But dismissing the need for very good WRs because you had Gronk is exactly what lead to Brady's grousing, especially in Gronk's later years when the team EVEN considered trading him.

Wrs are on the boundaries and they use their abilities to create space for the rest of the offense. But that's not happening if they are single coveered.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Brady knows better than our embarrassingly poor WR scouts

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The difference in value between a first rounder and a 4th rounder is greatly reduced if your quarterback greatly favors his returning WR's. This is especially true if the offense is difficult to learn.'

I'm not saying this was a terrible situation. It would just seem that considering value, it was better to use top draft picks on other positions.

And also bc they don't have a good track record of high WR/RB picks with McDaniels like Maroney, Chad Jackson, and the jury still out on Michel and Harry.

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[luuked]

I'm flabbergasted at this take.

As though other teams don't have good RBs, and the Patriots certainly haven't had any Pro Bowl rbs, like other teams. Gronk was a huge asset of course.

But dismissing the need for very good WRs because you had Gronk is exactly what lead to Brady's grousing, especially in Gronk's later years when the team EVEN considered trading him.

Wrs are on the boundaries and they use their abilities to create space for the rest of the offense. But that's not happening if they are single coveered.

The offense was in the top 5 for about 85-90% of the years since 2001 and investing more draft picks into something that is humming along just fine is just not an ideal use of limited resources when you have an entire roster to consider. Especially, when history has shown that you can always get your LaFells or Hogans who don't break the bank but do their job via FA.

But then again maybe your prefer the Colts way of building teams.

 

[Brewskies]

Interesting read.

Tom Brady’s Empty Answers on Trump and Race Speak Volumes

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Dude, stop. You may have missed this, since it was a later edit, but

Ellington did not play for anyone in 2019
Harris did not play for anyone in 2019
Inman had 12 total catches, for 2 teams, in 2019


OTAs were not the problem

I never was talking about OTAs though. I was referring to his work during the season. There is no point in arguing the point, though, since it comes down to whether you believe Brady's heart was in it this past year. I don't believe so while it feels like you do. Oh well, he's gone and might as well move on from such topics now.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Interesting read.

Tom Brady’s Empty Answers on Trump and Race Speak Volumes

After reading this, it becomes apparent that it was a good time to move on from Brady. At some point, his increasingly out-of-touch sentiments were going to get the whole team in trouble. During a national outbreak that is ravaging Florida, Brady's tone deafness with race and class will not age well. People are already suffering and we're headed to a depression. If you have privilege, now is the time to tell people to stay home, be kind to one another, and hang in there. It is not the time to talk about how class doesn't exist as long as you're tossing around a pigskin and how you'd rather not get drawn into dealing with real issues.

The interview reveals how much Belichick's media embargos have helped to shield Brady from scrutiny. Belichick is smart enough to not comment on matters like race because he knows that acting apathetic in interviews can backfire with the media and fans.

If Brady continues to act like this, I suspect there will be renewed scrutiny of his private life by a bloodthirsty public looking for the next celebrity sacrifice at the altar of mass humiliation.

 

[Dr Pain]

Tommy Boy is a game film fanatic. Were he to watch film (using the word loosely) of non-trusted WRs running their routes correctly, making the right option decisions and getting open and catching throws by the other QBs in practice, then the not trusted wideout would become a trusted wideout.

I disagree, he became a primadonna when it came to what receiver was worthy of working with. Not every receiver is an A. QB can make a C receiver look like a B receiver and an A receiver can make a C QB look like an B+ QB.

 

[captain stone]

Interesting read.

Tom Brady’s Empty Answers on Trump and Race Speak Volumes

GTFO with this sh!t...Not giving that garbage website a click to read what is, judging by its title, a garbage opinion piece, not now and not ever...

 

[Brewskies]

GTFO with this sh!t...Not giving that garbage website a click to read what is, judging by its title, a garbage opinion piece, not now and not ever...

Remaining in the dark is your privilege; you don't need to tell me you wear a blindfold and plug your ears. You probably do the same regarding criticism of the present Commander of Lies. Brady and the Commander have much in common.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Interesting read.

Tom Brady’s Empty Answers on Trump and Race Speak Volumes

Your Brady obsession is embarrassing.