2020 Patriot-Type Players

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Sick as a dog. Fell asleep the other day right after work and left after lunch yesterday. Banged in today and just got in from running a few errands like a zombie.


I really think the Pats will look at QB hard. I could be totally off but in terms of type, I see a few guys we like and we know they're not going to wait for that position. I know they like Stidham I just think it's going to come down to player / value when the board falls. Love, Fromm, Gordon etc will be tempting if the opportunity presents itself.

Running back is a very interesting position because the draft / NFL teams over the past few years, decade have told us they don't value this position as much as they used to in the first round. Some years we'll see one two guys taken and if that plays out this year they'll be a ton of potential and talent in the second round. A guy like Dobbins, CHE would be very helpful on a 2nd Rd deal if for some reason we move on from someome or we simply really like the player. We need more versatility when we put our guys on the field from that position. We see it in flashes here and there but aren't getting the explosive plays we should be. We need guys that can create on their own at times & by now we should have got more out of Rex, Sony, White when we have a duo on the field. Again another case of value/player lining up.

There's not much to say about the wide receiver position. It's supremely talented, versatile and there's a ton of guys that either fit our profile, are currently what we need from the position and we might get lucky and see a top tier prospect fall. From Lamb & JJ. To Reagor & Shenault. And about 10 in between. Someone will fall and there will be so much potential in Rd 2. I can't see there not being a run Rd 2-3. Proche, Hill and Mims are guys we should have an eye on as well. Proche rewrote the books at SMU & the other two are exactly what we need.

I've said TE was the biggest failure from last year's offseason. Between the years leading up/past few drafts there's been no excuse not you have at least one guy you can count on. There's more than a few who could help right now in this draft. If you look at the history of the position most of the talent comes from round 2 ,3, 4 & 5. It's a tough position to evaluate because very few teams feature a tight end in both the passing/blocking game. So you might not see the production you want from either. At least early on the production isn't so great you can't replicate it with a 3rd Rd pick as opposed to a 1st.

In terms of offensive line talent/potential there's a nice blend of top heavy prospects and guys you are very comfortable taking a gamble on later. Guys like Becton, Jones, Taylor, Ruiz, Muti and Bredeson there are a bunch of prospects that identify with as our types and value that might be too good to pass up.

I've used the word a lot bc value is a big part of draft. Combine that with a decent size board I think we'll have and it wouldn't surprise me to see a few guys called that might be different than what some had in mind. The problem is no 2nd Rd pick. Again I can't seeing us go the entire 2nd Rd this year with no picks. Whether we trade back with our 1st. Up with our 3rds or future picks, a trade? I see us fighting to get in there.

Defensively, again a lot of prospects we usual go after. From IDL to LB. Rush to DB. Lots of guys that show leadership, versatility/skill set we go after. At first glance we're loaded but we know how quick and often NEP teams can change. Esp with FA/Tom looming.

The DL prospects are interesting to me. Guys like Kinlaw, Gallimore and Blacklock are exactly what we like upfront and need to some extent. Esp with the looks we've been using. Kinlaw could be a nice addition/upgrade from Butler. Someone who has potential across the line. His best football should absolutely be in front of him with the tools he has. I could see Pitt liking Gallimore a lot considering his upside as a pass rushing NT with Hargrave coming up. Blacklock provides some juice, power and versatility and could be nice value if teams pass early bc of his injuries.Epenesa reminds me of Flowers, Baun could be a KVN replacement and Chaisson could be that demon off the edge with some upside away from the ball.

The Safety position is interesting as well considering the eventual replacements for DMC/Chung/Harmon if we want to be a year early or think the time has come for one/two? Chin, Dugger, Brooks and Davis are guys that just scream PTP to me.

I'm going to throw a few attributes next to each after I eat and will definitely add/subtract as the draft comes closer. Also put a rough grade so to speak next to each one to give you an idea of where they'll be selected. 108 in total I believe.

QB
Jake Fromm - Georgia (Day 1/2)

Jordan Love - Utah St (Day 1/2)

Jacob Eason - Washington (Day 2)

Anthony Gordon - Washington St (Day 3)

Nate Stanley - Iowa (Day 2/3)

James Morgon - FIU (Day 3)


RB
J.K. Dobbins - OSU (Day 2)

CEH - LSU (Day 2)

Jonathan Taylor - Wisconsin (Day 2)

Zack Moss - Utah (Day 2/3)

A.J. Dillon - BC (Day 3)

Anthony McFarland - Maryland (Day 3)

Cam Akers - FSU (Day 2/3)


OT
Alex Taylor - South Carolina ST (Day 3)

Mekhi Becton - Louisville (Day 1/2)

Josh Jones - Houston (Day 1/2)

Alaric Jackson - Iowa (Day 2/3)

Charlie Heck - UNC (Day 3)

Lucas Niang - TCU (Day 3)

Trey Adams - Washington (Day 3)

Colton Mckivitz - WVU (Day 3)

Scott Frantz - Kansas St (Day 3)

Matt Peart - Uconn (Day 3)

Tristan Wirfs - Iowa (Day 1/2)


WR
Jalen Reagor - TCU (Day 1/2)

K.J. Hamler - PSU (Day 2)

Lynn Bowden - Kentucky (Day 2/3)

Laviska Shenault - Colorado (Day 2)

Michael Pittman - USC (Day 2/3)

Bryan Edwards - South Carolina (Day 2/3)

Justin Jefferson - LSU (Day 2/3)

Brandon Aiyuk - ASU (Day 2)

James Proche - SMU (Day 2)

Chase Clayoool - ND (Day 2/3)

Tyler Johnson - Minnesota (Day 2/3)

K.J. Hill - OSU (Day 2)

Malcolm Perry - Navy (Day 3)

Easop Winston - Washington St (Day 3)

Jauan Jennings - Tennessee (Day 3)

Devin Duvernay - Texas (Day 2/3)

Van Jefferson - Florida (Day 2/3)

Denzel Mims - Baylor (Day 2/3)



TE
Adam Trautman - Dayton (Day 2/3)

Ben Ellefson - North Dakota St (Day 3)

Josh Deguara - Cincinnati (Day 3)

Cole Kmet - ND (Day 2)

Devin Asiai - UCLA (Day 3)

Thad Moss - LSU (Day 2/3)

Hunter Bryant - Washington (Day 2/3)

Bryce Hopkins - Purdue (Day 2)

Harrison Bryant - FAU (Day 2)

Parker Houston - San Diego St (Day 3)

Giovanni Ricci - Western Michigan (Day 3)

Colby Parkinson - Stanford (Day 3)

Mitchell Wilcox - USF (Day 3)

Albert O - Missouri (Day 2/3)



IOL
Cesar Ruiz - Michigan (Day 2/3)

Ben Bredson - Michigan (Day 2/3)

Netane Muti - Fresno St (Day 2/3)

Lloyd Cushenberry - LSU (Day 2/3)

Tyler Biadasz - Wisconsin (Day 2/3)

Solomon Kindley - Georgia (Day 2/3)



IDL
Javon Kinlaw - South Carolina (Day 1/2)

Neville Gallimore - OK (Day 1/2)

Ross Blacklock - TCU (Day 2/3)

James Lynch - Baylor (Day 3)

Reakwon Davis - Alabama (Day 2/3)

Justin Madubuike - Texas A&M (Day 3)

Leki Fotu - Utah (Day 2/3)

Benito Jones - Ole Miss (Day 3)

Jordan Elliott - Missouri (Day 3)


CB
Lamar Jackson - Nebraska (Day 2/3)

Jaylon Johnson - Utah (Day 2/3)

Jeff Gladney - TCU (Day 2/3)

Reggie Robinson - Tulsa (Day 2/3)

Damon Arnette - OSU (Day 2/3)

Bryce Hall - Virginia (Day 2/3)

Trevon Diggs - Alabama (Day 2/3)


Safety
Ashtyn Davis - Cali (Day 2/3)

Tyler Dugger - Lenoir-Rhyne (Day 2/3)

Antoine Brooks Jr - Maryland (Day 2/3)

Jeremy Chin - Southern Illinois (Day 2/3)

Greg Elsworth - Iowa St (Day 2/3)

Xavier McKinney - Alabama (Day 2)

Antoine Winfield Jr - Minnesota (Day 3)

J.R. Reed - Georgia (Day 3)

Brandon Jones - Texas (Day 3)

K'von Wallace - Clemson (Day 3

Alohi Gilman - ND (Day 3)


Rush/Edge
A.J. Epenesa - Iowa (Day 2)

Yetur Gross-Matos - PSU (Day 2)

Kenny Willekes - MSU (Day 2/3)

Khalid Kareem - ND (Day 2/3)

Bradlee Anae - Utah (Day 3)

Curtis Weaver - Boise St (Day 3)

Joe Gaziano - Northwestern (Day 3)

Terrell Lewis - Alabama (Day 2/3)

Anfernee Jennings - Alabama (Day 2/3)

K'Lavon Chaisson - LSU (Day 1/2)


LB
Patrick Queen - LSU (Day 1/2)

Markus Bailey - Purdue (Day 3)

Josh Uche - Michigan (Day 3)

Evan Weaver - Cali (Day 3)

Logan Wilson - Wyoming (Day 3)

Chaz Surratt - UNC (Day 2/3)

Carter Coughlin - Minnesota (Day 2/3)

Zach Baun - Wisconsin (Day 2/3)

 

[sircole]

Great work BGC.

I love too many receivers already this year, and I just really start watching only a few of them.

I see you don't have TE Harrison Bryant (FAU) on your list. He is a very smooth looking prospect when running routes and could be a dynamic option in our offense. Although not the best blocker or a true inline TE, Lane did a very good job lining him up along the line to exploit mismatches.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Great work BGC.

I love too many receivers already this year, and I just really start watching only a few of them.

I see you don't have TE Harrison Bryant (FAU) on your list. He is a very smooth looking prospect when running routes and could be a dynamic option in our offense. Although not the best blocker or a true inline TE, Lane did a very good job lining him up along the line to exploit mismatches.

Forgot him. Remember having him right next to Hunter, two Bryant's. Anyway he's been a very productive player for them and you're right. He's been put in a good spot to succeed. More of a straight line player. Both rec and looks out of place when asked to block. Just no plan besides trying to get his hands on his guy and hold on long enough. Of course that's all he can do at 235. Fringe guy but missed him.

Any others, anyone please shout them out. Again I'm adjusting this until the draft.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Do you think Fromn's hand size (8.75 inches) will be a problem? I remember Garroppolo had slightly bigger hands and that was a concern when we drafted him...

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Do you think Fromn's hand size (8.75 inches) will be a problem? I remember Garroppolo had slightly bigger hands and that was a concern when we drafted him...

I don't think the hand size is a killer but more so how they handle the weather/conditions & Fromm looks shaky at best in bad conditions. Bill values QB's that tough, both mentally and physically that can play outside. Always stressed that when talking about Tom.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Uche and Jennings are pretty good replacements for Collins and van noy.

 

[Snooky97]

Uche could be dominate force if we stick to a 3-4 scheme (I know we run variety of schemes)

 

[scott99]

Great work BGC.

I love too many receivers already this year, and I just really start watching only a few of them.

I see you don't have TE Harrison Bryant (FAU) on your list. He is a very smooth looking prospect when running routes and could be a dynamic option in our offense. Although not the best blocker or a true inline TE, Lane did a very good job lining him up along the line to exploit mismatches.

Had a nice senior bowl as a blocker. Not many catches for TEs in the Senior Bowl. Honestly, I’ll be happy with ANY PASS CATCHING TEs in the draft in rounds 1-3. Don’t give me a blocking TE in rounds 6 or 7. We need TEs who can be a weapon. Belichick ignored TWO straight GREAT TE drafts.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[Snooky97]

Couple of guys i've stumbled across

WR - JD Spielman - Slot, PR,KR - Would excel in the scheme.

RB - Reggie Corbin - Think of Dion Lewis. Small, agile guy, quick.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Couple of guys i've stumbled across

WR - JD Spielman - Slot, PR,KR - Would excel in the scheme.

RB - Reggie Corbin - Think of Dion Lewis. Small, agile guy, quick.

More familiar with Spielman than Corbin. We definitely need a toolsy weapon at one of the position in the worst way. Nothing wrong with not being an every down player.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Had a nice senior bowl as a blocker. Not many catches for TEs in the Senior Bowl. Honestly, I’ll be happy with ANY PASS CATCHING TEs in the draft in rounds 1-3. Don’t give me a blocking TE in rounds 6 or 7. We need TEs who can be a weapon. Belichick ignored TWO straight GREAT TE drafts.

He did. A lot better than expected. Idk unless you're a beast just be good enough and catch 1st downs/TD.

I have to believe if the effort and size are there it's possible. You'll have cases where someone is lost but just get them to good enough.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Great work BGC.

I love too many receivers already this year, and I just really start watching only a few of them.

I see you don't have TE Harrison Bryant (FAU) on your list. He is a very smooth looking prospect when running routes and could be a dynamic option in our offense. Although not the best blocker or a true inline TE, Lane did a very good job lining him up along the line to exploit mismatches.

Added btw

 

[sircole]

ATH/QB/WR Lynn Bowden, Jr.

This guy is one of my favorite players in the draft and the ideal Edelman replacement if we bring him along slowly to grow into the slot/Z role.

He has the speed, playmaker shiftiness and toughness to break through tackles.

Plus his experience as QB allows Josh to keep Edelman's gimmick calls in the playbook.

2020 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Kentucky ATH Lynn Bowden Jr. - Steelers Depot

 

[stevedogc]

Anyone with thoughts on Antonio Gibson from Memphis? Doesn't have a lot of production and not really a position. WR? RB? But he has shown glimpses and looked good in Senior bowl.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

ATH/QB/WR Lynn Bowden, Jr.

This guy is one of my favorite players in the draft and the ideal Edelman replacement if we bring him along slowly to grow into the slot/Z role.

He has the speed, playmaker shiftiness and toughness to break through tackles.

Plus his experience as QB allows Josh to keep Edelman's gimmick calls in the playbook.

2020 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Kentucky ATH Lynn Bowden Jr. - Steelers Depot

Love his potential. He's been a RB, WR, QB. Comfortable in the backfield. Yac machine. Has some twitch to him, most likely running a sub 4.4. Tracks the ball pretty well for his size. Obviously tough as hell playing 3 different positions essentially. He ran one of the more complex running games in the country. Easily one of my fav offenses to watch this year.

If I'm Balt, NO, SF, Chi I'm all over him.

 

[Jimke]

I expect the Patriots to draft a Harry clone. Tall and stocky but no speed and
unable to get open. If a bargain doesn't present itself they won't draft a tight
end again. I expect them to go against the grain and draft mostly defensive players.
One of the defensive players will be drafted three rounds too early.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Was close to putting his name up there

 

[midwestpatsfan]

Sick as a dog. Fell asleep the other day right after work and left after lunch yesterday. Banged in today and just got in from running a few errands like a zombie.


I really think the Pats will look at QB hard. I could be totally off but in terms of type, I see a few guys we like and we know they're not going to wait for that position. I know they like Stidham I just think it's going to come down to player / value when the board falls. Love, Fromm, Gordon etc will be tempting if the opportunity presents itself.

Running back is a very interesting position because the draft / NFL teams over the past few years, decade have told us they don't value this position as much as they used to in the first round. Some years we'll see one two guys taken and if that plays out this year they'll be a ton of potential and talent in the second round. A guy like Dobbins, CHE would be very helpful on a 2nd Rd deal if for some reason we move on from someome or we simply really like the player. We need more versatility when we put our guys on the field from that position. We see it in flashes here and there but aren't getting the explosive plays we should be. We need guys that can create on their own at times & by now we should have got more out of Rex, Sony, White when we have a duo on the field. Again another case of value/player lining up.

There's not much to say about the wide receiver position. It's supremely talented, versatile and there's a ton of guys that either fit our profile, are currently what we need from the position and we might get lucky and see a top tier prospect fall. From Lamb & JJ. To Reagor & Shenault. And about 10 in between. Someone will fall and there will be so much potential in Rd 2. I can't see there not being a run Rd 2-3. Proche, Hill and Mims are guys we should have an eye on as well. Proche rewrote the books at SMU & the other two are exactly what we need.

I've said TE was the biggest failure from last year's offseason. Between the years leading up/past few drafts there's been no excuse not you have at least one guy you can count on. There's more than a few who could help right now in this draft. If you look at the history of the position most of the talent comes from round 2 ,3, 4 & 5. It's a tough position to evaluate because very few teams feature a tight end in both the passing/blocking game. So you might not see the production you want from either. At least early on the production isn't so great you can't replicate it with a 3rd Rd pick as opposed to a 1st.

In terms of offensive line talent/potential there's a nice blend of top heavy prospects and guys you are very comfortable taking a gamble on later. Guys like Becton, Jones, Taylor, Ruiz, Muti and Bredeson there are a bunch of prospects that identify with as our types and value that might be too good to pass up.

I've used the word a lot bc value is a big part of draft. Combine that with a decent size board I think we'll have and it wouldn't surprise me to see a few guys called that might be different than what some had in mind. The problem is no 2nd Rd pick. Again I can't seeing us go the entire 2nd Rd this year with no picks. Whether we trade back with our 1st. Up with our 3rds or future picks, a trade? I see us fighting to get in there.

Defensively, again a lot of prospects we usual go after. From IDL to LB. Rush to DB. Lots of guys that show leadership, versatility/skill set we go after. At first glance we're loaded but we know how quick and often NEP teams can change. Esp with FA/Tom looming.

The DL prospects are interesting to me. Guys like Kinlaw, Gallimore and Blacklock are exactly what we like upfront and need to some extent. Esp with the looks we've been using. Kinlaw could be a nice addition/upgrade from Butler. Someone who has potential across the line. His best football should absolutely be in front of him with the tools he has. I could see Pitt liking Gallimore a lot considering his upside as a pass rushing NT with Hargrave coming up. Blacklock provides some juice, power and versatility and could be nice value if teams pass early bc of his injuries.Epenesa reminds me of Flowers, Baun could be a KVN replacement and Chaisson could be that demon off the edge with some upside away from the ball.

The Safety position is interesting as well considering the eventual replacements for DMC/Chung/Harmon if we want to be a year early or think the time has come for one/two? Chin, Dugger, Brooks and Davis are guys that just scream PTP to me.

I'm going to throw a few attributes next to each after I eat and will definitely add/subtract as the draft comes closer. Also put a rough grade so to speak next to each one to give you an idea of where they'll be selected. 108 in total I believe.

QB
Jake Fromm - Georgia (Day 1/2)

Jordan Love - Utah St (Day 1/2)

Jacob Eason - Washington (Day 2)

Anthony Gordon - Washington St (Day 3)

Nate Stanley - Iowa (Day 2/3)

James Morgon - FIU (Day 3)


RB
J.K. Dobbins - OSU (Day 2)

CEH - LSU (Day 2)

Jonathan Taylor - Wisconsin (Day 2)

Zack Moss - Utah (Day 2/3)

A.J. Dillon - BC (Day 3)

Anthony McFarland - Maryland (Day 3)

Cam Akers - FSU (Day 2/3)


OT
Alex Taylor - South Carolina ST (Day 3)

Mekhi Becton - Louisville (Day 1/2)

Josh Jones - Houston (Day 1/2)

Alaric Jackson - Iowa (Day 2/3)

Charlie Heck - UNC (Day 3)

Lucas Niang - TCU (Day 3)

Trey Adams - Washington (Day 3)

Colton Mckivitz - WVU (Day 3)

Scott Frantz - Kansas St (Day 3)

Matt Peart - Uconn (Day 3)

Tristan Wirfs - Iowa (Day 1/2)


WR
Jalen Reagor - TCU (Day 1/2)

K.J. Hamler - PSU (Day 2)

Lynn Bowden - Kentucky (Day 2/3)

Laviska Shenault - Colorado (Day 2)

Michael Pittman - USC (Day 2/3)

Bryan Edwards - South Carolina (Day 2/3)

Justin Jefferson - LSU (Day 2/3)

Brandon Aiyuk - ASU (Day 2)

James Proche - SMU (Day 2)

Chase Clayoool - ND (Day 2/3)

Tyler Johnson - Minnesota (Day 2/3)

K.J. Hill - OSU (Day 2)

Malcolm Perry - Navy (Day 3)

Easop Winston - Washington St (Day 3)

Jauan Jennings - Tennessee (Day 3)

Devin Duvernay - Texas (Day 2/3)

Van Jefferson - Florida (Day 2/3)

Denzel Mims - Baylor (Day 2/3)



TE
Adam Trautman - Dayton (Day 2/3)

Ben Ellefson - North Dakota St (Day 3)

Josh Deguara - Cincinnati (Day 3)

Cole Kmet - ND (Day 2)

Devin Asiai - UCLA (Day 3)

Thad Moss - LSU (Day 2/3)

Hunter Bryant - Washington (Day 2/3)

Bryce Hopkins - Purdue (Day 2)

Harrison Bryant - FAU (Day 3)

Parker Houston - San Diego St (Day 3)

Giovanni Ricci - Western Michigan (Day 3)

Colby Parkinson - Stanford (Day 3)

Mitchell Wilcox - USF (Day 3)

Albert O - Missouri (Day 2/3)



IOL
Cesar Ruiz - Michigan (Day 2/3)

Ben Bredson - Michigan (Day 2/3)

Netane Muti - Fresno St (Day 2/3)

Lloyd Cushenberry - LSU (Day 2/3)

Tyler Biadasz - Wisconsin (Day 2/3)

Solomon Kindley - Georgia (Day 2/3)



IDL
Javon Kinlaw - South Carolina (Day 1/2)

Neville Gallimore - OK (Day 1/2)

Ross Blacklock - TCU (Day 2/3)

James Lynch - Baylor (Day 3)

Reakwon Davis - Alabama (Day 2/3)

Justin Madubuike - Texas A&M (Day 3)

Leki Fotu - Utah (Day 2/3)

Benito Jones - Ole Miss (Day 3)

Jordan Elliott - Missouri (Day 3)


CB
Lamar Jackson - Nebraska (Day 2/3)

Jaylon Johnson - Utah (Day 2/3)

Jeff Gladney - TCU (Day 2/3)

Reggie Robinson - Tulsa (Day 2/3)

Damon Arnette - OSU (Day 2/3)

Bryce Hall - Virginia (Day 2/3)

Trevon Diggs - Alabama (Day 2/3)


Safety
Ashtyn Davis - Cali (Day 2/3)

Tyler Dugger - Lenoir-Rhyne (Day 2/3)

Antoine Brooks Jr - Maryland (Day 2/3)

Jeremy Chin - Southern Illinois (Day 2/3)

Greg Elsworth - Iowa St (Day 2/3)

Xavier McKinney - Alabama (Day 2)

Antoine Winfield Jr - Minnesota (Day 3)

J.R. Reed - Georgia (Day 3)

Brandon Jones - Texas (Day 3)

K'von Wallace - Clemson (Day 3

Alohi Gilman - ND (Day 3)


Rush/Edge
A.J. Epenesa - Iowa (Day 2)

Yetur Gross-Matos - PSU (Day 2)

Kenny Willekes - MSU (Day 2/3)

Khalid Kareem - ND (Day 2/3)

Bradlee Anae - Utah (Day 3)

Curtis Weaver - Boise St (Day 3)

Joe Gaziano - Northwestern (Day 3)

Terrell Lewis - Alabama (Day 2/3)

Anfernee Jennings - Alabama (Day 2/3)

K'Lavon Chaisson - LSU (Day 1/2)


LB
Patrick Queen - LSU (Day 1/2)

Markus Bailey - Purdue (Day 3)

Josh Uche - Michigan (Day 3)

Evan Weaver - Cali (Day 3)

Logan Wilson - Wyoming (Day 3)

Chaz Surratt - UNC (Day 2/3)

Carter Coughlin - Minnesota (Day 2/3)

Zach Baun - Wisconsin (Day 2/3)

Hey Bacon! Guess who is back and working on draft stuff! Two fingers pointed at this guy. Just like old times!