NFL has suspended Josh Gordon indefinitely

[PatriotsReign]

LOL

Your world is too binary Triumph. A person can have empathy without being an enabler. In every thread on Flash; going back a couple of years on this site, I have never seen anyone take an enabling position; people who have defended him (I am one) defend him from the position of "he's sick and needs help" or a "its very sad" or "I hope he gets the help he clearly needs" POV. That's hardy enabling self destructive behavior.

The human condition is hardy ever as black and white as you make it out; rather life, and the people which fill it; is and are full of nuance.

Flash has had a number of opportunities to get right. He hasn't. He must now, seemingly once and for all, (rightfully) face the consequences of those decisions; in the form of losing his place in the NFL. What could have been....

Your constant approach to Flash in the numerous threads on him here has been, at best, one of toxic masculinity, alpha-dude-bro-ism, holier than thou, stone throwing.

Maybe it's how "the fan" manifests in you vs me where the difference lies. Maybe its our differing views on civics and society more broadly. I don't know. But I do know that under the helmet and pads, there is a human being; who while blessed with physical talents I could only ever dream to have, and the great benefit of monetizing those talents for a brief period of time, is still a human with human failings.

I see that and feel sadness for the person. You see that and feel your next Barstool Comment Section joke coming on...

As for your closing line, give me a break. That line was silly when it was played on a different sub-forum on this site just as it is here and now. That is and never has been the bar for honest concern.

I follow him on Twitter. He seems very spiritual

 

[203Pat]

Just read the term "toxic masculinity" and almost puked.

 

[Keyser Söze]

LOL

Your world is too binary Triumph. A person can have empathy without being an enabler. In every thread on Flash; going back a couple of years on this site, I have never seen anyone take an enabling position; people who have defended him (I am one) defend him from the position of "he's sick and needs help" or a "its very sad" or "I hope he gets the help he clearly needs" POV. That's hardy enabling self destructive behavior.

The human condition is hardy ever as black and white as you make it out; rather life, and the people which fill it; is and are full of nuance.

Flash has had a number of opportunities to get right. He hasn't. He must now, seemingly once and for all, (rightfully) face the consequences of those decisions; in the form of losing his place in the NFL. What could have been....

Your constant approach to Flash in the numerous threads on him here has been, at best, one of toxic masculinity, alpha-dude-bro-ism, holier than thou, stone throwing.

Maybe it's how "the fan" manifests in you vs me where the difference lies. Maybe its our differing views on civics and society more broadly. I don't know. But I do know that under the helmet and pads, there is a human being; who while blessed with physical talents I could only ever dream to have, and the great benefit of monetizing those talents for a brief period of time, is still a human with human failings.

I see that and feel sadness for the person. You see that and feel your next Barstool Comment Section joke coming on...

As for your closing line, give me a break. That line was silly when it was played on a different sub-forum on this site just as it is here and now. That is and never has been the bar for honest concern.

Your tumblr feminism makes you so enlightened. LOL.

 

[203Pat]

Your tumblr feminism makes you so enlightened. LOL.

#staywoke

 

[TB_Helmet]

Just read the term "toxic masculinity" and almost puked.

Sorry you got so triggered.

 

[TB_Helmet]

When Gordon is homeless, the Massachusetts Do Gooders will obviously take him in and let Gordon stay as long as it takes for him to piece his life together. No smoking weed in the house though. More mashed potatoes Josh?

You kidding me, I'd love to put Gordon up for a few months. He can also smoke as long as he opens a window.

 

[TB_Helmet]

You of all people should be disgusted with Gordon. Gordon does not care if he becomes a bum.

And, no, youre not a loser until you quit. You win everyday.

You're telling an addict who's been clean for 30 years how he should feel about the struggles of another addict?

 

[Joker]

did someone mention the term triggered???

 

[TB_Helmet]

did someone mention the term triggered???

Thanks to this forum that's the image that always comes to mind when I hear the word.

 

[Drewski]

Your tumblr feminism makes you so enlightened. LOL.

I don’t have my Incel Handbook readily available. What’s a tumblr feminist”?

 

[Drewski]

Just read the term "toxic masculinity" and almost puked.

I have that effect on somewhere around 30-40% of the population. As my mom used to say, c'est la vie

 

[203Pat]

Sorry you got so triggered.

Oooo zing!

 

[catent]

It's almost as if those who don't like Gordon or those showing support for him also have an agenda.

Huh.

 

[Jlaff]

I already posted that it’s similar to caffeine.

That sort of minimizes the addictive qualities of nicotine, in a thread full of arguments that we shouldn't minimize addiction, but ok.

 

[Bonzo]

Didn't read the whole thread, so I'm sure this point has already been made...

But this whole business about training with Tim Montgomery made me real nervous about the performance-enhancing aspect of it coming into the season.

Still, I personally really liked Josh, and I'm very sad for him.

 

[Ring 6]

On a personal note, I identify with Gordon’s struggles because I am also an addict. It’s that simple. I’m fortunate in that I no longer suffer from active substance addiction.

As a matter of fact, it was 30 years since my last drink/drug last week. I don’t say that to brag but so that other members can see it is possible. I am no more deserving of sobriety than the millions still suffering. It’s something I have to deal with as long as I’m above ground.

So I understand in a very personal way exactly what Josh feels, thinks and experiences. I understand how he can put all his strength and effort into being a better person only to fail time after time. I also know well the lack of self esteem that results from letting everyone down...especially myself.

I know what it feels like to feel like a loser and wonder why I’m different than most. The worst feeling I experienced was coming to realization I was going to die young or just be a bum.

I also know how it feels to be freed from addiction and slowly rebuild my life. To see how people look at me differently today is worth more than money can buy.

The bottom line for me is that I believe Josh is a good guy and I know he can experience what I’ve experienced.

I can’t criticize, mock or joke about him because he’s just like me. But I’m sure people mocked and made jokes about me as well. But thankfully I don’t recall that happening

First awesome to hear the success you had.
I am far from an expert and have questions more than opinions or answers. I was addicted to nicotine for what that’s worth.
To me the “tough it out, be a man” attitude is ignorant but I believe there is a dynamic that when you tell people it’s a disease and it’s not your fault it gives them justification for failing. I responded to your post to say this because as you describe it you are no different than an addict who can’t stop using but you did.
Since it is highly personal and you did not share I won’t ask your details but it seems to me had you leaned on the reasoning that you are an addict, it’s not your fault, and you shouldn’t be expected to control the addiction it would have been more difficult to stop.
So it’s no so much enabling but inserting a viable reason to doubt you can succeed.
I’ve seen it with children a lot. Tell them they can’t and they believe it and get down on themselves. Adults and children are very similar in the area of turning criticism back on themselves.
Just my 2 cents, and again congratulations for your successes.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Gordon lets the team down yet again.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Gordon let’s the team done yet again.

FYI there’s an edit function on this board if you need it

 

[PatriotsReign]

First awesome to hear the success you had.
I am far from an expert and have questions more than opinions or answers. I was addicted to nicotine for what that’s worth.
To me the “tough it out, be a man” attitude is ignorant but I believe there is a dynamic that when you tell people it’s a disease and it’s not your fault it gives them justification for failing. I responded to your post to say this because as you describe it you are no different than an addict who can’t stop using but you did.
Since it is highly personal and you did not share I won’t ask your details but it seems to me had you leaned on the reasoning that you are an addict, it’s not your fault, and you shouldn’t be expected to control the addiction it would have been more difficult to stop.
So it’s no so much enabling but inserting a viable reason to doubt you can succeed.
I’ve seen it with children a lot. Tell them they can’t and they believe it and get down on themselves. Adults and children are very similar in the area of turning criticism back on themselves.
Just my 2 cents, and again congratulations for your successes.

Nicotine addiction isn’t a disease. Not in the same way alcoholism is. Willpower and reason are no help in getting sober for the majority, myself included. That’s why highly intelligent people are no less likely to be afflicted.

The way it worked for me was to admit to myself and others I was completely defeated and powerless. To this day, I remain powerless over alcohol. Which is why I didn’t drink today

 

[PatriotsReign]

That sort of minimizes the addictive qualities of nicotine, in a thread full of arguments that we shouldn't minimize addiction, but ok.

Nicotine addiction is possibly the most difficult to overcome. But you can’t lose your job, your house and your self esteem by abusing it

alcoholism destroys people physically, mentally and spiritually. Huge difference. I’m not minimizing, just saying it’s not comparable to drug and alcohol addiction