OT: What's really wrong with the Jets

[PonyExpress]

Can't help but hear the loud calls for Pennignton's ouster coming from NY. It's funny because QB play isn't the real cause of the Jets demise. The real reason for the NY swan dive is a putrid defense. Strange, because there are a number of solid individual defensive players on that team. Yet, according to FootballOutsiders.com, the NYJets have the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL. Yes, LAST.

When Herm was engineering his 4-3 D with Donnie Edwards, the Jets routinely played solid, aggressive defense. Since Mangini's arrival, this once proud squad has more and more resembled the underwhelming Patriot unit of 2005, which labored under Mangini's stewardship until BB took back the reins down the stretch.

The root of the Jet demise is Mangini's mediocre abilities as a defensive coach, his inexperience, and his inability to adapt scheme to suit personnel.

BB didn't even switch to the 3-4 until 2003 when he had acquired the horses.

But Mangini made such a switch immediately.

There is no excuse for a Defense featuring that 4-3 talent to rank last in the NFL by any measure.

 

[ALP]

mangini left too soon, and went to a terrible team..hopefully he enjoyed his first season....he wont have another like it

 

[jays52]

Even when Mangini was here I thought that the defenses he engineered as the d-coordinator were sub-par. I remember his defense being mostly a cover 3 basic zone and sending three maybe four rushers. His complexities dealt mostly with disguising coverages, not front seven play. I remember the defense turned around when the players literally begged the guy to send some linebackers, and add some wrinkles to the front seven defense. When he acomplished this, the defense played much better as a unit. I actually never thought much of him as a coordinator, never mind a head coach.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I think the biggest problem there is who is Mangini copying? Seems to me he does not want to compared to Belichick so he is emulating Parcells. Too stupid to realize that being Parcells, Belichick, Cowher etc ... is inherently earned and fueled ... his tank is empty. Also too stupid to realize that Parcell's style only worked because he had Belichick's intelligence and steady plans.

 

[ATippett56]

Mangini is an idiot. Nothing like shoving a round peg in a square hole. The defensive personnel is equipped for a 4-3 defense not a 3-4 defense.

 

[Frezo]

Mangini is an idiot. Nothing like shoving a round peg in a square hole. The defensive personnel is equipped for a 4-3 defense not a 3-4 defense.

But, can Mangini and staff properly coach a 4-3? That might explain his stubborness to change.

 

[stinkypete]

Can't help but hear the loud calls for Pennignton's ouster coming from NY. It's funny because QB play isn't the real cause of the Jets demise. The real reason for the NY swan dive is a putrid defense. Strange, because there are a number of solid individual defensive players on that team. Yet, according to FootballOutsiders.com, the NYJets have the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL. Yes, LAST.

When Herm was engineering his 4-3 D with Donnie Edwards, the Jets routinely played solid, aggressive defense. Since Mangini's arrival, this once proud squad has more and more resembled the underwhelming Patriot unit of 2005, which labored under Mangini's stewardship until BB took back the reins down the stretch.

The root of the Jet demise is Mangini's mediocre abilities as a defensive coach, his inexperience, and his inability to adapt scheme to suit personnel.

BB didn't even switch to the 3-4 until 2003 when he had acquired the horses.

But Mangini made such a switch immediately.

There is no excuse for a Defense featuring that 4-3 talent to rank last in the NFL by any measure.

Interesting way of looking at things. Mangini was certainly impatient in implmenting his 3-4 defense. Year 2 and he does not have a single suitable defensive lineman.

I find it interesting that all the teams in recent years that adopted a 3-4 under new coaching (Cleveland, Houston, San Francisco, Oakland) have floundered. The successful 3-4 defenses in the league all have had a foundation in place, a stud defensive lineman, an experienced linebacker group, before making the switch to the 3-4.

 

[363839]

The title of this thread made me think of the "Sensitive Naked Man" from SNL.

 

[Sundayjack]

When Herm was engineering his 4-3 D with Donnie Edwards, the Jets routinely played solid, aggressive defense.

Donnie Henderson. And, not exactly.

The Jets seem to endure alternating years of horrid and competent defenses. The irony this year is that we've lived through almost this exact same problem, from the opposite end.

Herm's first coordinator, you'll recall, was Ted Cottrell. Ted Cottrell was a 3-4 coordinator, working with a 4-3, Tampa-2 defense installed by Herm. The problem then was that our linebacking corps were old (Marvin Jones and *cough* Mo Lewis) and slow, working in a defensive system that demands speed. In the end, we dispensed with both the players and the coordinator.

Now, we have speedy linebackers in a defense that demands stoutness. But, I do think that the bigger problem is that our interior line (read: Robertson) isn't and never will be a 3-4 nose tackle. Some of you have short memories. The Patriots DID experiment with nose tackles (Jarvis Green??) and suffered much the same problem before settling in with Ted Washington.

But back to the Jets - the maddening part for me is what seems to be an continuous state of transition.

 

[PonyExpress]

Donnie Henderson. And, not exactly.

The Jets seem to endure alternating years of horrid and competent defenses. The irony this year is that we've lived through almost this exact same problem, from the opposite end.

Herm's first coordinator, you'll recall, was Ted Cottrell. Ted Cottrell was a 3-4 coordinator, working with a 4-3, Tampa-2 defense installed by Herm. The problem then was that our linebacking corps were old (Marvin Jones and *cough* Mo Lewis) and slow, working in a defensive system that demands speed. In the end, we dispensed with both the players and the coordinator.

Now, we have speedy linebackers in a defense that demands stoutness. But, I do think that the bigger problem is that our interior line (read: Robertson) isn't and never will be a 3-4 nose tackle. Some of you have short memories. The Patriots DID experiment with nose tackles (Jarvis Green??) and suffered much the same problem before settling in with Ted Washington.

But back to the Jets - the maddening part for me is what seems to be an continuous state of transition.

Yep, meant D. Henderson, sorry. As far as the Pats experiments at Defensive Tackle.... most of us recall the awful 2002 run D, and Rickey Williams slicing through it for about 200 yards in Week 17. The Pats were still playing the 4-3 through the end of the 2002 season. In that draft they acquired Ty Warren, and traded for Big Ted toward the end of training camp, and started the year with the 3-4. So BB didn;t switch to the 3-4 until his 4th season at the helm, after drafting Seymour and Warren, acquiring Washington, with Pleasant and Hamilton in hand. Back to the Jets' troubles...Watching D. Robertson play Nose Tackle is an abomination. Remember that TD run by the M. Lynch in the Bills/Jets game, where D Robertson was manipulated, no $hite, 10 yards laterally on a running play? It was one of the most embarrassing displays I've seen. However, you can't really blame him. He's not a 2 gap nose tackle, and any coach who asks him to play that way is a fool.

 

[Ishdul]

But, can Mangini and staff properly coach a 4-3? That might explain his stubborness to change.

Well, at this point I'd question whether he can properly coach a 3-4 as well. Bill's a good enough coach that he can change his coaching to fit the team and not change the team to fit his coaching, but Mangini certainly does not seem the type. I figure you'd do better with a poorly coached but adequately assembled 4-3 than an adequately coached but poorly assembled 3-4. They're last in the league with a 3-4, so it's not like they can get much worse if they go with the 4-3.

 

[Frezo]

Well, at this point I'd question whether he can properly coach a 3-4 as well. Bill's a good enough coach that he can change his coaching to fit the team and not change the team to fit his coaching, but Mangini certainly does not seem the type. I figure you'd do better with a poorly coached but adequately assembled 4-3 than an adequately coached but poorly assembled 3-4. They're last in the league with a 3-4, so it's not like they can get much worse if they go with the 4-3.

You could be right, but I was just offering a suggestion as to why he isn't making the change.

 

[Ishdul]

You could be right, but I was just offering a suggestion as to why he isn't making the change.

Oh, I agree with you 100%.

 

[Wildo7]

I've done some in-depth research on the subject and I've come to some startling and groundbreaking results:

A) Their players are, well how do I put this? Not good.

B) Their scouting and drafting is, very poor.

C) Their coach is master splinter.

D) Their fan base is fantastic. I mean terrible.

Now I've been running these results through a complex algorithmic formula that I think correctly indicates the goodability of a team with a .0001% margin of error by incorporating all the aforementioned aspects that usually make up a football team and they get a rating of "Apple." I think my formula needs a little tweaking, but what's important is that I'm close, real close to a definitive, scientific answer. I'll keep you all posted.

 

[Joker]

J-E-T-S

RATS RATS RATS

ever notice how Jeter's name contains j-e-t?

another rat

 

[Bostonian1962]

Mangini is not a leader. His transparent attempt to copy BB made him look like a little boy trying to copy daddy. His attempts to swipe Pats players, go after Branch, and basically slam his mentor, while saying how much he still loves him, made him look like a liar. Breaking the coaches code, and outing family secrets in VideoGate, showed him to be a snake. The Pete Kendall fiasco showed he could backstab one of his players.

The point here is, his players see this. These are not qualities of a leader, and it snowballs from there. He's a horrible coach, leader, and quite honestly appears to be less than an admirable person.

 

[PonyExpress]

I've done some in-depth research on the subject and I've come to some startling and groundbreaking results:

A) Their players are, well how do I put this? Not good.

B) Their scouting and drafting is, very poor.

C) Their coach is master splinter.

D) Their fan base is fantastic. I mean terrible.

Now I've been running these results through a complex algorithmic formula that I think correctly indicates the goodability of a team with a .0001% margin of error by incorporating all the aforementioned aspects that usually make up a football team and they get a rating of "Apple." I think my formula needs a little tweaking, but what's important is that I'm close, real close to a definitive, scientific answer. I'll keep you all posted.

Do you have plans to become a professional comic? Your posts have been hilarious. Keep it up, I really enjoy reading them.

 

[Snarf]

<< What's really wrong with the Jets >>

They suck. That is what is wrong with the Jets.

 

[Hoodie]

I don't care what's wrong with them but their continued failure and humiliation give me great joy. Can't wait until Dec. 16 when the Pats record the first 100 point game in the history of the NFL.

 

[Wildo7]

Do you have plans to become a professional comic? Your posts have been hilarious. Keep it up, I really enjoy reading them.

Sarcasm