Gunner Olszewski

[tasmlab]

To flip the switch a bit, NE has punted 4th most ... and double the number of punts than many of the highest scoring teams in the league..... demonstrating the ineffectiveness of the NE offense for large portions of several games

But the offense is playing like twice as many series as most teams since the opponent is punting and getting so many turnovers. (I'm sure my logic is broke somehow)

 

[zydecochris]

I don't think we know that yet. Maybe but maybe not.

JE had 37 catches his rookie year including 8 in his 1st game as a pro. He showed something early in games. His issue was he was behind the most prolific slot receiver in NFL history.

We have no idea what Gun can do as a WR in games.

He seemed to have a mind meld with Brady early on, but I remember the naysayers, especially the "Made of Glass" accusations. I think he missed 4 games plus the bye with an arm fracture his rookie season, then the final two pre-season games and the opener his second year, 3 games the following season, etc., etc. Looking back on it that doesn't really sound that terrible of an injury history (missing about 3-4 games / yr) but I remember the criticisms of him that he was too injury prone.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The problem is that after the 2009 loss, they went out and got two TEs who were more than OK at catching passes.

Then they got Danny Woodhead. Then, after trading Moss, they went and brought back Deion Branch.

So at no point would Edelman be on the field in 2010 and be likely to be Brady's first, second, or even third option.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And as a serious attempt at an answer to the OP:

I think Olszewski is on the Edelman/Ebner plan. If he turns into an Edelman-like receiving talent, the Pats will be over the moon. If he "just" turns into an Ebner-like ST standout, the Pats will gladly take that, too.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He seemed to have a mind meld with Brady early on, but I remember the naysayers, especially the "Made of Glass" accusations. I think he missed 4 games plus the bye with an arm fracture his rookie season, then the final two pre-season games and the opener his second year, 3 games the following season, etc., etc. Looking back on it that doesn't really sound that terrible of an injury history (missing about 3-4 games / yr) but I remember the criticisms of him that he was too injury prone.

JE may still be injury prone but he is a tough SOB and just plays through it

 

[captain stone]

He seemed to have a mind meld with Brady early on, but I remember the naysayers, especially the "Made of Glass" accusations. I think he missed 4 games plus the bye with an arm fracture his rookie season, then the final two pre-season games and the opener his second year, 3 games the following season, etc., etc. Looking back on it that doesn't really sound that terrible of an injury history (missing about 3-4 games / yr) but I remember the criticisms of him that he was too injury prone.

He also broke his foot in Miami in December of 2012, non-contact...missed the rest of the season including POs...things were not looking good for him at the end of his rookie contract, partly because of the way it ended.

 

[bresna]

Punt return average is a weird thing. Should a returner call for a fair catch if he can only get three yards in order to maintain a higher average, or should he go get those three yards?

A fair catch is not counted as a punt return at all so fair catch does nothing to the average. Look at how many punt returns Gunner had during the Bills game: 0. The Bills did punt. A lot.

 

[TomPatriot]

Didn't read the whole thread, but he's 20th in the NFL in yards per return and he leads the League in fair catches. Not bad, but there's certainly room for improvement.

 

[primetime]

Didn't read the whole thread, but he's 20th in the NFL in yards per return and he leads the League in fair catches. Not bad, but there's certainly room for improvement.

Leading the league in fair catches has everything to do with the defense and nothing to do with Olszewski himself. Yards per return tends to be dictated by long returns, and he has yet to break a long one. He looks fine. Not the next coming of Devin Hester or Dante Hall, but that's fine.

 

[SBLIII]

And as a serious attempt at an answer to the OP:

I think Olszewski is on the Edelman/Ebner plan. If he turns into an Edelman-like receiving talent, the Pats will be over the moon. If he "just" turns into an Ebner-like ST standout, the Pats will gladly take that, too.

I think he will be neither.

 

[primetime]

Most likely scenario is that Gunner heads to the practice squad when Harry is designated to return.

 

[Kasmir]

Didn't read the whole thread, but he's 20th in the NFL in yards per return and he leads the League in fair catches. Not bad, but there's certainly room for improvement.

He's 11th in yds/return after game 5

 

[Kasmir]

Most likely scenario is that Gunner heads to the practice squad when Harry is designated to return.

Who then would return punts?

 

[TomPatriot]

He's 11th in yds/return after game 5

That's just the AFC, though.

 

[primetime]

Who then would return punts?

Edelman?

 

[patfanken]

White and Michel are average RBs. Yes, that is my opinion. Dion Lewis was exceptional with the Pats too and Shane Vereen was very good and both got contracts that outpaced their ability. Your Ad Hominems aside explain to me how an opinion may be wrong and in this thread many agreed with me on Gunner. Maybe I should look at ST more closely, hence the thread.

I think if Michel and White were in Cleveland playing with Baker Mayfield or in Jax or in Houston you would consider them average. Because they are in NE with Brady and Co., and they win they are viewed as above average then receive big contracts from other teams and guess what, play like average players.

Only stupid one around here, is you, little man.

Just a point, if I may butt into your discussion.. There is NOTHING wrong with being an average player in the NFL. 90% of NFL players are "average". I think though "average" is another way of saying "equal". Don't forget in this age you not only have to be a great football player on the college level, you have to be an extraordinary athlete, just to GET to the level of "average" in the NFL.

James White is an EXCEPTIONAL receiver at the RB position. If he had gone to another team that didn't use him in a way that allowed that gift to be emphasized, and forced him to try and be a between the tackles runner, then his career might have been a lot less successful. But that could be said about a LOT of players in the league. Being in the right fit is a key for most players. BTW- James White, like Edelman, is ANOTHER one of those Pats players who is an overnight success....years in the making.

KVN is another player where fit AND time mattered. He was on a bad Detroit team for 3 years just trying to get to be a starter. At the time he was traded he was almost an afterthought. He gets into "the right fit". Add 2+ years of experience "in the system" and you have a guy who many consider the best player (so far) on a really great defense.

Just a thought

 

[primetime]

Just a point, if I may butt into your discussion.. There is NOTHING wrong with being an average player in the NFL. 90% of NFL players are "average". I think though "average" is another way of saying "equal". Don't forget in this age you not only have to be a great football player on the college level, you have to be an extraordinary athlete, just to GET to the level of "average" in the NFL.

James White is an EXCEPTIONAL receiver at the RB position. If he had gone to another team that didn't use him in a way that allowed that gift to be emphasized, and forced him to try and be a between the tackles runner, then his career might have been a lot less successful. But that could be said about a LOT of players in the league. Being in the right fit is a key for most players. BTW- James White, like Edelman, is ANOTHER one of those Pats players who is an overnight success....years in the making.

KVN is another player where fit AND time mattered. He was on a bad Detroit team for 3 years just trying to get to be a starter. At the time he was traded he was almost an afterthought. He gets into "the right fit". Add 2+ years of experience "in the system" and you have a guy who many consider the best player (so far) on a really great defense.

Just a thought

White was also considered a "who?!" draft pick at the time. He was universally considered an undrafted free agent and had spent his entire college career playing second-fiddle to the likes of Montee Ball and Melvin Gordon (at Wisconsin, a program notorious for producing spectacular NFL busts at running back). He wasn't even a name on anyone's radar except perhaps as a priority free agent type.

 

[Tony Cahncuhd]

That's just the AFC, though.

Nope. He's eleventh in the entire NFL 32.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats...G&opp=0&sort=8&qualified=1&sortOrder=0&page=1

 

[RobertWeathers]

Gunner is going to have an interesting time fielding punts tonight.

Poor bastard.

 

[PatsFan2]

Gunner is going to have an interesting time fielding punts tonight.

Poor bastard.

Well as they say in Horse Racing we'll see if Gunner likes the Slop.