Day 7 Patriots Training Camp

[RobertWeathers]

JJ is probably too small for most Free Safety roles, never mind any Strong Safety roles.

DMC- 5-10 195

JJ- 5-10 190

 

[Zuma]

Covering a lot of ground quickly is a good attribute to have at FS. Both Devin and JJ poses that ability.

 

[patchick]

I’m referring more to the jag level players like was being discussed here. Inman is a name everyone knows and Harris was a name everyone didn’t. There is no question that fans call for the name they recognize but I think Belichick is more apt to sign the name you don’t recognize and be more successful with them.
In other words it seems that Belichick relies more on film than reputation and that seems to be the right approach.

Here's a way of thinking about it: why did you choose Inman vs. Harris as your example? It's not because Inman is one of the year's top "name" signings. Those would be Bennett and Pennel, with an honorable mention to senior citizen Ben Watson. Presumably it's because the example leaps out, because it's noteworthy.

Meanwhile Bennett is outplaying guys like Trent Harris, and Pennel is outplaying Ufomba Kamalu, David Parry and Nick Thurman. And nobody even bothers to mention any of that, because it's the norm.

 

[IllegalContact]

I don't get it.

We finally have one of the top set of 3 safeties in the NFL , plus we now have a top Ster in Brooks who can actually play safety. I haven't a clue why anyone would want to reduce the quality of the 2019 defense by trading a safety. And yes, I'm fine with keeping ObiWan as a Ster and backup db; this would happen if Ebner is going.

Also, in our passing league, it is OK to keep 6 CB's including a developmental player with potential (Williams). Why would we trade J Jones to keep Crossen or Dawson? J Jones is a top Ster. It would be better to extend him.

Williams is not a developmental player....that’s what the practice squad is for. Barring injury, he will contribute....hell, Jordan Richards contributed

 

[TheRainMaker]

Each day that goes by, I’m waiting for the update that Derek Rivers is a beast. Why haven’t we heard anything about him?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Each day that goes by, I’m waiting for the update that Derek Rivers is a beast. Why haven’t we heard anything about him?

Hes doing well actually

 

[TheRainMaker]

Hes doing well actually

Good. He’s my guy.

 

[fnordcircle]

The Patriots and Steelers should just have standing trades where every season before cutdown day they give us their bottom 3 WRs and we give them our bottom 3 DBs.

 

[Wheelman]

Burkhead is a genuine contributor and comes with a $3 million cap hit. He'll make the 53. He's not on PUP or NFI, so his return to full action can be any time that works for him and the team.

AFCC winning TD:

Put Burkhead on IR-DTR, and just have him in the playoffs. Wish we could have done that with Gronk.

 

[luuked]

Hes in his walk year. Unless they restructure his deal by guaranteeing $ in 2019 and incur a dead cap charge in 2020 they can't do anything.

That's what I meant when I said he might sign a surprise extension.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's what I meant when I said he might sign a surprise extension.

So an extension is creative accounting? Thought you implied something different.

 

[NormZauchin]

Will the Skipper have a part on Gilmore's Island?

 

[luuked]

So an extension is creative accounting? Thought you implied something different.

Nah, I wasn't referring to DMac when saying creative accounting. My point was that even if he'd take a pay cut it would at best save maybe 3-4M. Which is a sum you can scrape together by working some other contracts.

We are not talking crazy money here.

 

[patfanken]

Chung just got a revised deal. If cut its a $7.5 cap hit. Hes staying.

If they take out DMC they save $9.5m. Last year of his deal. I do find that situation curious.

I think Nate will have a tough time sticking around.

They don't have a replacement for Harmon

JJ is a steal at $3m. Could be trade bait. Who knows.

OK RW- did Obi steal your lunch at school back in the day or what? I thank you for your info on Harmon's snaps, but I can't help but wonder why you are so willing to completely disregard Obi's potential contribution. He's worked with the regular D and with Harmon on the 2nd unit and in my 2 days of watching, nothing he's done in those 2 days makes me think he's out of place. So what's up?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Nah, I wasn't referring to DMac when saying creative accounting. My point was that even if he'd take a pay cut it would at best save maybe 3-4M. Which is a sum you can scrape together by working some other contracts.

We are not talking crazy money here.

No but my gut tells me DMC doesnt want to take a pay cut.

 

[patfanken]

Jones will be gone next offseason. He will get a pretty big contract (10M+) on the open market like some of the other slot CBs in the last 1-2 years.

Players like him are goners.

Jones looks like he'd be a possible trade candidate because he is getting some money this year.....but for 3 things. He's having a very strong camp. He's our best slot corner and we play in an era when teams are in nickel around 60% of the time. It's really as starting position at this point. And finally any trip we make to the playoffs is likely to include playing KC twice. Jones is the best match we have vs Hill. Not only that, he's had success against him

So I really don't think Jones is a likely trade candidate. Too important

 

[RobertWeathers]

OK RW- did Obi steal your lunch at school back in the day or what? I thank you for your info on Harmon's snaps, but I can't help but wonder why you are so willing to completely disregard Obi's potential contribution. He's worked with the regular D and with Harmon on the 2nd unit and in my 2 days of watching, nothing he's done in those 2 days makes me think he's out of place. So what's up?

You misunderstand me.

I do not think Obi is a deep FS.

I like Obi. I want him on the team- as Chung's understudy.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Jones looks like he'd be a possible trade candidate because he is getting some money this year.....but for 3 things. He's having a very strong camp. He's our best slot corner and we play in an era when teams are in nickel around 60% of the time. It's really as starting position at this point. And finally any trip we make to the playoffs is likely to include playing KC twice. Jones is the best match we have vs Hill. Not only that, he's had success against him

So I really don't think Jones is a likely trade candidate. Too important

Why purposely make yourself weaker at this point?

 

[luuked]

No but my gut tells me DMC doesnt want to take a pay cut.

Which is my point. There is no reason to even ask him because you wouldn't save enough money to make it worth the headache and potential bad atmosphere.

Unless he wants to sign a team friendly extension they will just let the deal run out and then see whats up. And I really don't see BB sending away DMac like he did others. His pay is not outrageous enough for that on the one hand and on the other the defense seems to already look pretty impressive and there is no need to screw with that.

 

[luuked]

Jones looks like he'd be a possible trade candidate because he is getting some money this year.....but for 3 things. He's having a very strong camp. He's our best slot corner and we play in an era when teams are in nickel around 60% of the time. It's really as starting position at this point. And finally any trip we make to the playoffs is likely to include playing KC twice. Jones is the best match we have vs Hill. Not only that, he's had success against him

So I really don't think Jones is a likely trade candidate. Too important

Depends on how Dawson progresses over the next weeks and maybe months until the trade deadline.

That being said I agree that he will most likely play out his contract and then be gone.