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Sorry to hear that Ken. Best to you and your Goddaughter.

For what it’s worth, in states where marijuana has been legalized, opioid problems have been reduced. I believe one way to treat this epidemic is to start by making it legal nationwide and also in the NFL. I bet DW Toys doesn’t agree though.
Thanks we are looking into that now. Currently she is off the oxy's and on methadone. Its doing its job about the withdrawal, but little for her persistent back pain. I've read where methadone can be used for pain, but it is very hard to find a doctor that will prescribe it, Its like a catch 22. Her pain doctors think she should try it, but they can't prescribe it, and her primary care doctor won't....at least not at this timed, since she so recently started on the methadone. It is a mess.
 
Thanks we are looking into that now. Currently she is off the oxy's and on methadone. Its doing its job about the withdrawal, but little for her persistent back pain. I've read where methadone can be used for pain, but it is very hard to find a doctor that will prescribe it, Its like a catch 22. Her pain doctors think she should try it, but they can't prescribe it, and her primary care doctor won't....at least not at this timed, since she so recently started on the methadone. It is a mess.

What state do you live in? Do you have access to medical marijuana?

Here is an article about it. Lay press but cites two studies. Very encouraging. In states where people have access to medical pot, they take millions of fewer opiate doses.

Opioid Use Lower In States That Eased Marijuana Laws
 
You keep using that word I do not think it means what you think it means.

I think this team has an excellent chance at winning the title. And you will not find a quote of mine that indicates otherwise.

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Amazing! The guy flat out says that the season's over, and does it multiple times in multiple ways, but that isn't quitting. Then for a comparison uses the Browns, Bills and Jets fans for an example of what quitting really means.

It seems like he's been trying to shift the focus to you somehow. That hasn't been working either.
 
Amazing! The guy flat out says that the season's over, and does it multiple times in multiple ways, but that isn't quitting. Then for a comparison uses the Browns, Bills and Jets fans for an example of what quitting really means.

It seems like he's been trying to shift the focus to you somehow. That hasn't been working either.

Season is over. I don't think there's any way this team wins a Lombardi without fixing their issues and I don't see any in-house fixes to their issues which means said fixes will be coming in the offseason. Naturally, I would love to be proven wrong. That's not quitting on the team. I'll still watch them and enjoy them for what they are - a playoff team - but I don't think they have what it takes to go all the way. Other fans of other teams have very similar thoughts about their squads headed into the season. Do they quit on their teams? Do Bills fans quit on their teams even though most of them don't think they have a realistic shot of winning the title? Of course not. It's a dumb ass accusation that was leveled by a dumb ass. It's been thoroughly crushed in this thread. Every point of contention with my OPs has been thoroughly crushed, as a matter of fact. If you want to try your hand at it, though, you're more than welcome. Just make sure you quote me so you can point my attention toward the post.

Put another way - did you expect the Patriots to win the Super Bowl in 1992? Of course not. Do you think you quit on the team back then?
 
I already have. Your use of the word "maybe." That was in response to why other teams led by Belichick and Brady didn't win the Super Bowl in other years. It indicates some level of doubt in their chances. Otherwise, why would you have it as a qualifier?
Troll on my friend I've never said the season was over and you have. I've made it abundantly clear I have confidence in this team yet somehow you think that hasn't been the case because the word maybe was used I'm sure in some context you're twisting and obviously there is a level of maybe at all times anyway, maybe a meteor will wipe us out before we get to the SB. It's pretty obvious now you're just trolling me.
 
there is no answer, Ken. We live in a drug fueled culture.The only answer I've found in my life is my own personal change. I used to smoke cigarettes. I finally quit cold turkey and put it behind me for good 25 years ago.I developed a severe monkey in the 70's & 80's that lasted into the 90's..multiple substance abuse primarily centered around alcohol and cocaine. I was a monster. Never thought about it as a problem until I finally took a hard look at myself in my mid 40's. Stopped drinking, which stopped the coke reflex, which alleviated the cigarette addiction., I watched as most of my social circle continued on living with multiple addictions, with many adding opiates to the mix. There's been a lot a early deaths associated within this social circle of friends. Artists, musicians, lawyers, business owners, cops, dealers..you name it...it crosscuts our society.

Here's my take on it all...YOU are the only person that can change YOU. YOU are the only one going out that door at the end of the life movie. You can try all the programs and all the remedies and all the advice others have to offer but in the end it's YOUR decision and yours only. The brain chemistry involved in substance addiction is PERNICIOUS. I read people saying "I've been sober two years and things are going good". I know from personal experience that giving myself badges of accomplishment and revering "sobriety" is, in the end, a self delusion. YOU have to make that decision to stop using brain altering substance...and then you have to wait, for years and years, for your brain to rewire the electrical exchanges across your synapses to original firing patterns you were born with. I suspect it's different for everyone. In my case it took over seven years but it did happen.

To illustrate,here's a short look into what happened. I decided to go completely straight when I was 43.I stopped cold. It was hard at first, like it is for everyone/anyone but I managed to move forward. Five years later I'm at a family holiday gathering and one of my cousins offers me a Beck's beer at the Thanksgiving family dinner. My entire adult family drinks alcohol in moderation. I figured "hey, it's been 5 years, I can handle this.." I had that ONE beer and ten minutes later I wanted to run out an score an 8 ball. Scared the living bejeezus out of me. I left abruptly, drove home, jumped in bed and pulled the covers over me. Petrified. FIVE YEARS sober and the dual addiction reflex was still there like it was yesterday. The next day I began researching the effects of cocaine/alcohol on the brain and read research being done in Europe that detailed the swift changes in neural transmission between synapses in the brain. Coke rewires the brain in as little as a month! Your brain is a bunch of nerve cells...we all know how long it takes for nerves to regenerate when altered or injured, it's the same for electrical transmissions across the synaptic gaps. NO ONE ever said anything about this to me as I was staying sober. When I found out that the research showed it takes close to a decade for the brain to rewire, I knew I'd have to wait another few years before my brain chemistry came back to normal. Here's the kicker. It did. I was off Block Island ten years later fishing in mid summer. It was blazing hot. I had some guys that chartered my boat to fish for stripers. They brought a cooler of Bud with them. I decided to try one to see if the reflex was still there. THAT was the best goddamned beer I EVER drank in my life. One measly run of the mill Budweiser. At that moment out there on the water in the drenching heat, I realized the coke reflex was gone.

It took nearly ten years but I finally came free from the chemical reflex I had established in my brain from years of abuse. I CAN drink alcohol now and can do it in moderation. I do not drink alcohol because I really prefer not to. I enjoy living in my skin today, just the way I am. I have a number of medical conditions that require I take prescribed heart meds. Other than that, I refuse all attempts by my doctors to get me to begin using pain meds, sleep meds, anxiety meds. We live in this drug culture today, where it's normal to address the aches and pains of life with a pill. This is NOT normal IMO. What is normal is, if you're having trouble sleeping, go out an do anything to get yourself tired...guess what? You'll sleep like a baby. If you have anxiety and find yourself in a brain loop of negative thoughts, take up a behaviour that focuses your mind on something else...learn music, take up painting,ride a bike, go out for a walk...jeezus,I'm as rough and tumble as they come yet I feed birds and watch them every morning like some old lady out on a farm in the woods. It WORKS.

Of course, for better or worse, arguing on a message board daily about the NEP works wonders too. "We're all bozos on this bus" an extremely perceptive individual once said. Enjoy the ride.
 
Season is over. I don't think there's any way this team wins a Lombardi without fixing their issues and I don't see any in-house fixes to their issues which means said fixes will be coming in the offseason. Naturally, I would love to be proven wrong. That's not quitting on the team. I'll still watch them and enjoy them for what they are - a playoff team - but I don't think they have what it takes to go all the way. Other fans of other teams have very similar thoughts about their squads headed into the season. Do they quit on their teams? Do Bills fans quit on their teams even though most of them don't think they have a realistic shot of winning the title? Of course not. It's a dumb ass accusation that was leveled by a dumb ass. It's been thoroughly crushed in this thread. Every point of contention with my OPs has been thoroughly crushed, as a matter of fact. If you want to try your hand at it, though, you're more than welcome. Just make sure you quote me so you can point my attention toward the post.

Put another way - did you expect the Patriots to win the Super Bowl in 1992? Of course not. Do you think you quit on the team back then?
You see the sad thing is I gave them more of a chance in 92 then you are giving them now.

Your side by side with the Bills fans you mention above.
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Troll on my friend I've never said the season was over and you have. I've made it abundantly clear I have confidence in this team yet somehow you think that hasn't been the case because the word maybe was used I'm sure in some context you're twisting and obviously there is a level of maybe at all times anyway, maybe a meteor will wipe us out before we get to the SB. It's pretty obvious now you're just trolling me.

I think if there's anyone trolling in here, it's you...

05- Ref didn't call a touchback
06-we were final four team
09-Takes a year after such a significant injury
10-no excuse
11-present we were final four team

Maybe they fall a game or 2 short but coaching and QB give them a great shot at another SB.

Maybe = doubt. It's defined as a mere possibility or probability. Therefore, you have doubt in the team's chances to win the Super Bowl. Using your definition of the word "quit," which you leveled at me for expressing doubt in the team's chances of winning the title, you have also quit as well. And not just this year. There were probably many, many times in the pre-Belichick era (and probably a few in the Belichick era) which you "quit on the team." So, basically, one of two possibilities exist:

1. You quit on the team as well.

2. Your definition of the word was utter crap.

Ball's in your court to decide which of those you would want to go with.
 
You see the sad thing is I gave them more of a chance in 92 then you are giving them now.

Your side by side with the Bills fans you mention above.
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LMAO. Yeah... sure you did. What were saying about trolling again? The pot seems to be trying to call the kettle black. Like I said, pick a different topic. You're faring poorly in this one.
 
You see the sad thing is I gave them more of a chance in 92 then you are giving them now.

Your side by side with the Bills fans you mention above.
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Gimme a break. You knew damn well they were going nowhere in 1992. They weren't a better team than BUF or MIA let alone WASH, 49ers, Chiefs or Cowboys.
 
Gimme a break. You knew damn well they were going nowhere in 1992. They weren't a better team than BUF or MIA let alone WASH, 49ers, Chiefs or Cowboys.

Damn... so you quit on the team too back then? Shameless. Completely shameless. You're no fan.
 
there is no answer, Ken. We live in a drug fueled culture.The only answer I've found in my life is my own personal change. I used to smoke cigarettes. I finally quit cold turkey and put it behind me for good 25 years ago.I developed a severe monkey in the 70's & 80's that lasted into the 90's..multiple substance abuse primarily centered around alcohol and cocaine. I was a monster. Never thought about it as a problem until I finally took a hard look at myself in my mid 40's. Stopped drinking, which stopped the coke reflex, which alleviated the cigarette addiction., I watched as most of my social circle continued on living with multiple addictions, with many adding opiates to the mix. There's been a lot a early deaths associated within this social circle of friends. Artists, musicians, lawyers, business owners, cops, dealers..you name it...it crosscuts our society.

Here's my take on it all...YOU are the only person that can change YOU. YOU are the only one going out that door at the end of the life movie. You can try all the programs and all the remedies and all the advice others have to offer but in the end it's YOUR decision and yours only. The brain chemistry involved in substance addiction is PERNICIOUS. I read people saying "I've been sober two years and things are going good". I know from personal experience that giving myself badges of accomplishment and revering "sobriety" is, in the end, a self delusion. YOU have to make that decision to stop using brain altering substance...and then you have to wait, for years and years, for your brain to rewire the electrical exchanges across your synapses to original firing patterns you were born with. I suspect it's different for everyone. In my case it took over seven years but it did happen.

To illustrate,here's a short look into what happened. I decided to go completely straight when I was 43.I stopped cold. It was hard at first, like it is for everyone/anyone but I managed to move forward. Five years later I'm at a family holiday gathering and one of my cousins offers me a Beck's beer at the Thanksgiving family dinner. My entire adult family drinks alcohol in moderation. I figured "hey, it's been 5 years, I can handle this.." I had that ONE beer and ten minutes later I wanted to run out an score an 8 ball. Scared the living bejeezus out of me. I left abruptly, drove home, jumped in bed and pulled the covers over me. Petrified. FIVE YEARS sober and the dual addiction reflex was still there like it was yesterday. The next day I began researching the effects of cocaine/alcohol on the brain and read research being done in Europe that detailed the swift changes in neural transmission between synapses in the brain. Coke rewires the brain in as little as a month! Your brain is a bunch of nerve cells...we all know how long it takes for nerves to regenerate when altered or injured, it's the same for electrical transmissions across the synaptic gaps. NO ONE ever said anything about this to me as I was staying sober. When I found out that the research showed it takes close to a decade for the brain to rewire, I knew I'd have to wait another few years before my brain chemistry came back to normal. Here's the kicker. It did. I was off Block Island ten years later fishing in mid summer. It was blazing hot. I had some guys that chartered my boat to fish for stripers. They brought a cooler of Bud with them. I decided to try one to see if the reflex was still there. THAT was the best goddamned beer I EVER drank in my life. One measly run of the mill Budweiser. At that moment out there on the water in the drenching heat, I realized the coke reflex was gone.

It took nearly ten years but I finally came free from the chemical reflex I had established in my brain from years of abuse. I CAN drink alcohol now and can do it in moderation. I do not drink alcohol because I really prefer not to. I enjoy living in my skin today, just the way I am. I have a number of medical conditions that require I take prescribed heart meds. Other than that, I refuse all attempts by my doctors to get me to begin using pain meds, sleep meds, anxiety meds. We live in this drug culture today, where it's normal to address the aches and pains of life with a pill. This is NOT normal IMO. What is normal is, if you're having trouble sleeping, go out an do anything to get yourself tired...guess what? You'll sleep like a baby. If you have anxiety and find yourself in a brain loop of negative thoughts, take up a behaviour that focuses your mind on something else...learn music, take up painting,ride a bike, go out for a walk...jeezus,I'm as rough and tumble as they come yet I feed birds and watch them every morning like some old lady out on a farm in the woods. It WORKS.

Of course, for better or worse, arguing on a message board daily about the NEP works wonders too. "We're all bozos on this bus" an extremely perceptive individual once said. Enjoy the ride.
Thanks for your brave post.

I couldn't help notice your comment about a "drug fueled" society. You couldn't be more accurate. All you have to do is watch TV for an hour where you will be bombarded by at least a half dozen commercials for drugs that will solve everything from cancer to arthritis. (with just a few possible side effects like death :rolleyes: ) Everything can be solved with a pill these days.

Ads for prescription drugs are a particular pet peeve. They really should have no place. It's just big Pharma pushing their products more efficiently than the dealer on the corner. Really sad.

I found it really interesting about your research and experiences with the "rewiring" of the brain. Makes a lot of sense. Fortunately I somehow avoided any issues with drugs or alcohol. When I had my heart attack they gave me morphine. I was bitterly disappointed in the lack of results. Same for versed when I had a colonoscopy. All my friends raved about it. ;) I think I'm opiode adverse. ;). That being said, give me 3 shots of a good tequilla and I will be dancing on a table. Go figure.

At any rate you give good advice. I wonder if there is a way to genetically determine if a person has an addictive predisposition to drugs or alcohol. If parents know that going in, it would go a long way to PREVENTATIVE care as opposed to dealing with it after the fact. It would be a LOT less expensive and infinitely less painful.
 
there is no answer, Ken. We live in a drug fueled culture.The only answer I've found in my life is my own personal change. I used to smoke cigarettes. I finally quit cold turkey and put it behind me for good 25 years ago.I developed a severe monkey in the 70's & 80's that lasted into the 90's..multiple substance abuse primarily centered around alcohol and cocaine. I was a monster. Never thought about it as a proble until I finally took a hard look at myself in my mid 40's. Stopped drinking, which stopped the coke reflex, which alleviated the cigarette addiction., I watched as most of my social circle continued on living with multiple addictions, with many adding opiates to the mix. There's been a lot a early deaths associated within this social circle of friends. Artists, musicians, lawyers, business owners, cops, dealers..you name it...it crosscuts our society.

Here's my take on it all...YOU are the only person that can change YOU. YOU are the only one going out that door at the end of the life movie. You can try all the programs and all the remedies and all the advice others have to offer but in the end it's YOUR decision and yours only. The brain chemistry involved in substance addiction is PERNICIOUS. I read people saying "I've been sober two years and things are going good". I know from personal experience that giving myself badges of accomplishment and revering "sobriety" is, in the end, a self delusion. YOU have to make that decision to stop using brain altering substance...and then you have to wait, for years and years, for your brain to rewire the electrical exchanges across your synapses to original firing patterns you were born with. I suspect it's different for everyone. In my case it took over seven years but it did happen.

To illustrate,here's a short look into what happened. I decided to go completely straight when I was 43.I stopped cold. It was hard at first, like it is for everyone/anyone but I managed to move forward. Five years later I'm at a family holiday gathering and one of my cousins offers me a Beck's beer at the Thanksgiving family dinner. My entire adult family drinks alcohol in moderation. I figured "hey, it's been 5 years, I can handle this.." I had that ONE beer and ten minutes later I wanted to run out an score an 8 ball. Scared the living bejeezus out of me. I left abruptly, drove home, jumped in bed and pulled the covers over me. Petrified. FIVE YEARS sober and the dual addiction reflex was still there like it was yesterday. The next day I began researching the effects of cocaine/alcohol on the brain and read research being done in Europe that detailed the swift changes in neural transmission between synapses in the brain. Coke rewires the brain in as little as a month! Your brain is a bunch of nerve cells...we all know how long it takes for nerves to regenerate when altered or injured, it's the same for electrical transmissions across the synaptic gaps. NO ONE ever said anything about this to me as I was staying sober. When I found out that the research showed it takes close to a decade for the brain to rewire, I knew I'd have to wait another few years before my brain chemistry came back to normal. Here's the kicker. It did. I was off Block Island ten years later fishing in mid summer. It was blazing hot. I had some guys that chartered my boat to fish for stripers. They brought a cooler of Bud with them. I decided to try one to see if the reflex was still there. THAT was the best goddamned beer I EVER drank in my life. One measly run of the mill Budweiser. At that moment out there on the water in the drenching heat, I realized the coke reflex was gone.

It took nearly ten years but I finally came free from the chemical reflex I had established in my brain from years of abuse. I CAN drink alcohol now and can do it in moderation. I do not drink alcohol because I really prefer not to. I enjoy living in my skin today, just the way I am. I have a number of medical conditions that require I take prescribed heart meds. Other than that, I refuse all attempts by my doctors to get me to begin using pain meds, sleep meds, anxiety meds. We live in this drug culture today, where it's normal to address the aches and pains of life with a pill. This is NOT normal IMO. What is normal is, if you're having trouble sleeping, go out an do anything to get yourself tired...guess what? You'll sleep like a baby. If you have anxiety and find yourself in a brain loop of negative thoughts, take up a behaviour that focuses your mind on something else...learn music, take up painting,ride a bike, go out for a walk...jeezus,I'm as rough and tumble as they come yet I feed birds and watch them every morning like some old lady out on a farm in the woods. It WORKS.

Of course, for better or worse, arguing on a message board daily about the NEP works wonders too. "We're all bozos on this bus" an extremely perceptive individual once said. Enjoy the ride.

Holy crap. Contender for post of the year right here (non Pats content category). Good stuff Joker thanks for sharing.
 
Damn... so you quit on the team too back then? Shameless. Completely shameless. You're no fan.

God were they terrible. I watched more games live and in the old Foxboro Stadium back then than I do now (thank god for DVR)

The thing about those McPherson teams was they were rarely blown out. They were always competitive enough to keep the game interesting
 
I think if there's anyone trolling in here, it's you...



Maybe = doubt. It's defined as a mere possibility or probability. Therefore, you have doubt in the team's chances to win the Super Bowl. Using your definition of the word "quit," which you leveled at me for expressing doubt in the team's chances of winning the title, you have also quit as well. And not just this year. There were probably many, many times in the pre-Belichick era (and probably a few in the Belichick era) which you "quit on the team." So, basically, one of two possibilities exist:

1. You quit on the team as well.

2. Your definition of the word was utter crap.

Ball's in your court to decide which of those you would want to go with.
I'm not sure what crap definition you are referring to but it is clearly you with a definition problem. I don't need a paragraph to define "Season over".

And as I said my confidence in this team is very high maybe the season is not over. Maybe they will win the SB I think they have an extremely good chance.
 
Gimme a break. You knew damn well they were going nowhere in 1992. They weren't a better team than BUF or MIA let alone WASH, 49ers, Chiefs or Cowboys.
There was a small chance that Zo kid could have developed. %1 of hope is more than Kontra is giving them credit for as he has stated succinctly the season is over.
 
I'm not sure what crap definition you are referring to but it is clearly you with a definition problem. I don't need a paragraph to define "Season over".

And as I said my confidence in this team is very high maybe the season is not over. Maybe they will win the SB I think they have an extremely good chance.

Maybe is doubt. You're expressing the same thing as I am in the end. So, since you're saying that the definition is not crap, one is left to conclude that you've quit on the team, too. You've been clowning yourself for a while here. I'm not sure if you can get any worse than posting that you had confidence in the '92 squad re: winning the Super Bowl, but I'm interested to see if you can.
 
There was a small chance that Zo kid could have developed. %1 of hope is more than Kontra is giving them credit for as he has stated succinctly the season is over.
Sure but they weren't a SB contender in 1992. Not even close.

All Kontra is saying is he thinks they are playoff quality, he doesn't think they are SB quality this year. I don't agree with him as the AFC is a mess and there is no dominant team but there is no question the 2018 team aren't exactly world beaters.
 
Sure but they weren't a SB contender in 1992. Not even close.

All Kontra is saying is he thinks they are playoff quality, he doesn't think they are SB quality this year. I don't agree with him as the AFC is a mess and there is no dominant team but there is no question the 2018 team aren't exactly world beaters.

He knows this. He's just gone full blown butthurt because I said that a good amount of homers are actually fair weather fans/front runners.
 
Maybe is doubt. You're expressing the same thing as I am in the end. So, since you're saying that the definition is not crap, one is left to conclude that you've quit on the team, too. You've been clowning yourself for a while here. I'm not sure if you can get any worse than posting that you had confidence in the '92 squad re: winning the Super Bowl, but I'm interested to see if you can.
I did not say I had a lot of confidence in 92. I said I had more confidence in 92 then you do now.

You seem to think maybe or some small doubt and season over is the same thing. You are trying to say we are expressing the same thing which is weird because I keep saying I think they will win the SB and you keep repeating "season over".
 
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