Cliff Avrill: SB 49 ruined Seattle

[oceansizer]

To me the pass was more than good and I assume 9 of 10 passes alike should be caught by the WR. That was phenomenal Butler's play.

 

[lancerman]

If it wasn't for the Packers "****ting the bed" in the NFC title game the Seahawks would of never made it to the SB...

Packers didn't deserve to win that game. Yes they botched an onside kick recovery at the end. But lets be real, the Packers defense got 6 turnovers for the team, and the Packer's offense played timid that whole game and never was able to take a big lead and put it away.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

7-1 at best, it did not come down to a decision, a play or a little luck against the Bears lol

I was pretty clearly referring to the eight games in which the Pats have appeared in the BB/TB era (in the prior sentence I said that I was talking about "the Patriots that we've followed over the last 17 seasons, going on 18").

 

[goheels22002]

 

[PatsFanSince74]

To me the pass was more than good and I assume 9 of 10 passes alike should be caught by the WR. That was phenomenal Butler's play.

Browner, as Patricia later said, "makes the play" by taking Kearse out (Kearse's job was to pick Butler). Not taking anything away from Butler, who effectively ended the game and has gotten the credit he very, very well deserves by not just breaking up the pass but somehow holding onto it for the pick, but if Kearse picks Butler, there is no INT and the Seahawks most likely win.

We've all watched it a million times, but here's an interesting snippet (poor audio quality) of remarks by Patricia.

Patricia says that Carroll correctly diagnosed that the Pats were "going Goal-line," but didn't see that it was an atypical goal-line formation (with three Corners not just "beef") until his communication to Wilson's helmet was cut off.

Patricia also says that it was unlikely that they would run Lynch into the (Pats) right side (his left) since the Pats (Hightower) had stopped him the play before and the Pats had "3,000 pounds" on that side of the line.

Patricia says that he was worried that Hightower would get picked and Lynch would be open for an easy TD toss out of the backfield He says he was so focused on Lynch and Hightower that he actually didn't watch the pick itself.

I've always said that the error was on Wilson's shoulders, not Carroll's.

When we watch the tape, especially in slomo or stop-action, Wilson actually looks over at his stacked receivers on (his) right a split second before the snap and telegraphs the play.

But Wilson misses that Browner is lined up right on Kearse and that there is another Corner right behind him. At that point he should have realized that it could be a busted play and either decided to throw the ball into the third row of the stands or look to see if Lynch was open on (his) left. Instead, he sticks with the play that was called and the rest is history:

Matt Patricia breaking down Malcolm Butler's Super Bowl INT is peak Patricia

 

[maust]

I think he means in the Brady era, where the Pats have been to 8 Super Bowls.

I was pretty clearly referring to the eight games in which the Pats have appeared in the BB/TB era (in the prior sentence I said that I was talking about "the Patriots that we've followed over the last 17 seasons, going on 18").

I misread the second paragraph and stand duly corrected.

 

[captain stone]

5--3 is probably about right.

9-1 is Exactly right.

 

[captain stone]

I was watching Dan Marino, A Football Life the other day and there was a play in which Marino overruled Jimmy Johnson on a play call.

I venture to say if Tom, a coach or a defensive player was doing that on a consistent basis as they have lost confidence and trust in BB's judgement and confidence in his leadership they would be taking an Uber out of Foxboro.

I wish that Tom had over-ruled Bill & Skippy on the reverse to Cookie on 3rd/2...and probably on the Amendola pass on 3rd/5.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Packers didn't deserve to win that game. Yes they botched an onside kick recovery at the end. But lets be real, the Packers defense got 6 turnovers for the team, and the Packer's offense played timid that whole game and never was able to take a big lead and put it away.

I couldn't have been more frustrated during a game that wasn't a Pats game than that one. When you get the Seahawks to turn the ball over that many times and can't capitalize on them - you deserve to lose. I'm in the minority here that can't see why Rodgers is continually regarded as the "best QB" in the game when people conveniently ignore his choke job in Seattle. That game should've been a blowout. If a defense gave Brady 6 TO's, the Pats win by 30.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

9-1 is Exactly right.

Pray, tell. Which is the "-1?"

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Even the players themselves get confused about causation.

Just in the last few years, we’ve seen the Patriots overcome several “death blows” in the Super Bowl to reclaim their dynasty after a 10-year drought. The Warriors blew a 3-1 lead after winning 73 games and gem back the next year to beat the same team in the finals.

Seattle’s lack of SB titles from 2015-17 has way more to do with it just being a short timeframe and numerous failures to keep/restock an elite team on the field, and little to do with SB49 (methinks.) Compared to many teams, they’ve done a decent job of staying competitive and a perennial playoff contender. That’s the most difficult part of the NFL, staying good.

 

[captain stone]

Pray, tell. Which is the "-1?"

Loss to GB in SB XLV.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Loss to GB in SB XLV.

No argument there; nor any on the game against Da Bears. But, my 5--3 was referring to the eight SB's in the BB/TB era,

 

[tom444]

Cliff Avril: Seahawks started questioning Pete Carroll after Super Bowl interception

If you saw the way Lynch smiled as he came off the field after the interception, you know that the doubt/anti-Carroll-emotion was already there.

 

[captain stone]

No argument there; nor any on the game against Da Bears. But, my 5--3 was referring to the eight SB's in the BB/TB era,

If that's the case, then we should be easily 8-0 in those ones...Easily.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

He might not be the best head coach, as NE fans all know first hand, but Seattle is still lucky to have him. He has delivered Super Bowl title to the city, and brought some respectability to the franchise.

 

[Simpelton]

The guy that made the play to “ruin their team”, isn’t even on the Patriots anymore.

If that doesn’t scream “get the hell over it already”, nothing does.

Tell that to the Raiders fans who STILL aren't over the Tuck Rule game

 

[Simpelton]

He might not be the best head coach, as NE fans all know first hand, but Seattle is still lucky to have him. He has delivered Super Bowl title to the city, and brought some respectability to the franchise.

A franchise could do a whole heck of a lot worse than Pete Carroll as their football head coach, that's for sure. He's not the very best at what he does, but he's very serviceable and brings a lot of knowledge and experience to the table.

 

[Simpelton]

To me the pass was more than good and I assume 9 of 10 passes alike should be caught by the WR. That was phenomenal Butler's play.

That was also a sloppy throw by Wilson. I thought that Wilson's execution was the weak link in the playcall.

First because he telegraphs the pass, which is why Browner was able to get up and jam the pick. The Patriots defense read that play because Wilson was not subtle.

Secondly, because the throw was not on target. If he throws it right at the numbers, Lockette is in a good position to box out Butler and make the catch. Because Wilson led the target a little, Lockette's slightly off balance reaching for the ball, and Butler is able to plant himself and check Lockette out of the way, securing the football for himself

If he had to miss there, he should have aimed to miss behind Lockette, where the worst case scenario is that Lockette doesn't make the catch, or is downed at the one, and Lockette can probably protect the ball with his body and at least keep the drive alive. Because the throw was such that Lockette could only use his hands to catch it, and not his body, Butler was able to establish position over him and take the ball away.

so yeah, I always thought that the weakest part of the play was Wilson's throw, not Carroll's call

 

[tom444]

.................
First because he telegraphs the pass, which is why Browner was able to get up and jam the pick. The Patriots defense read that play because Wilson was not subtle..............

They read the play because they'd seen the formation several times in practice so Browner knew what to do to keep Butler free to jump the route.