BGC 2018 DRAFT QB THREAD

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Aren’t those comparisons more about him falling?

Part of it. The others were about his passing ability and his look/frame.

 

[manxman2601]

Trent Dilfer on Luke Falk. Calls him the “perfect guy to draft as the heir apparent to Tom Brady”.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Jon & I have been talking about this for a while. Evan is joining the party.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Jon & I have been talking about this for a while. Evan is joining the party.

Yeah no thanks if we take him any earlier than the 7th I'd be grossed out.

 

[sircole]

I think the QBs rankings on teams boards will vary greatly to what scheme they are running, the personality of QB and processing/understanding of the offense concepts.

I think sometimes the reviewers place too much emphasis on watching youtube tape without knowing: the timing and the correct routes being run by WRs, the exact offensive play call for the defensive coverage, the blocking schemes and many other things we as outsiders aren't privy too.

It was interesting that in the NDT Scouting Review's QB rankings there was incorrect information in some of the QB scouting profiles; e.g. Mike White shouldn't and couldn't play in the Erhardt-Perkins system when that's exactly what he thrived in under Jeff Brohm's in 2016, Bobby Petrino's successor and ex-offensive coordinator at WKU.

Ledyard | 2018 NFL Draft Final Positional Rankings: Quarterbacks

 

[manxman2601]

Interesting answer from Mike Reiss about where the Pats might double dip

 

[manxman2601]

Jon & I have been talking about this for a while. Evan is joining the party.

Nice Senior Bowl analysis Ledyard. His buddy had just died. Smh.

 

[bakes781]

He had a good pro day


You can argue he hasn’t been tested but with a career completion rate 68.3% he won’t get past day 2 IMO.

 

[maineman209]

Interesting answer from Mike Reiss about where the Pats might double dip

Grissom/Flowers, but also Mitchell/Lucien, Solder/Cannon, Wheatley/Wilhite ... many other examples.

I'd guess LB this time, since BB has done that 3 or 4 times in the past.

 

[manxman2601]

He had a good pro day


You can argue he hasn’t been tested but with a career completion rate 68.3% he won’t get past day 2 IMO.

He isn’t perfect and isn’t a certain starter but if he was he’d be talked about as a first rounder which no-one is doing. He is what he is, an improvement on Hoyer eventually with the upside of being a good enough starter to prevent us being desperate enough to trade the lo fora Brady successor. He doesn’t prevent you drafting QBs in the future but provides decent cover in the meantime. The one thing he has is the smarts, character and experience to slot into the system almost immediately. Every year there’s a prospect that gets unremitting hate from draft twitter. Falk seems to be that guy this year and I think it says more about those being constantly negative about Falk than it does about Falk himself. He is what he is, no-one is claiming more than that on his behalf.

 

[manxman2601]

Grissom/Flowers, but also Mitchell/Lucien, Solder/Cannon, Wheatley/Wilhite ... many other examples.

I'd guess LB this time, since BB has done that 3 or 4 times in the past.

Linebacker makes sense although I think might be more of a Ninkovich type hybrid player (unless Rivers already has that locked up).

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Can any of these QBs play in the cold? Most of the guys being talked about (Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, etc) are southern california type guys. Jimmy G played in Illinois and was used to the bad weather.

 

[meatface]

Yeah no thanks if we take him any earlier than the 7th I'd be grossed out.

Honestly if they take him in the 7th it would be an eyeroll. This is a guy whose practice squad material if you squint real hard and feel like wasting a practice squad spot

 

[oceansizer]

I think till round 7th Faulk is off the board. Nevertheless if BB sees something in this guy I am ok. My knowledge about players is based mostly on YouTube footage and I can notice only basic skills and abilities. I assume that coaches evaluate prospects in more complicated ways like intelligence, face to face conversation, maturity etc. Most rookie QBs even taken in first rounds are not adjusted to pro caliber playing. We have comfort because of having TB12. It means we are looking for someone developmental and smart enough to understand the system not someone to be ready in week 1.

 

[maineman209]

Linebacker makes sense although I think might be more of a Ninkovich type hybrid player (unless Rivers already has that locked up).

IDK.

When I think of "linebacker" these days, I'm thinking of a player who's adept at MoF stuff, whether or not he's also adept at edge assignments. IOW who's lining up off-the-ball behind the DT/NT, A/B-gaps, etc.

The Pats current roster appears to have quite a few players who are (or who may be) more or less adept at off-the-line Edge/OLB assignments ....

Hightower (of course)
Van Noy
M. Flowers
Lee (played about half his 2017 snaps in an OLB-type role)
Langi (?)
Rivers (? - possibly a "Nink" type)
T. Flowers (?)

OTOH, guys who are adept at MoF stuff seem a bit scarce and perhaps lacking that je ne sais quoi? (the Captain speaks French, doesn't he?) ....

Hightower
Van Noy
Roberts
Langi(?)
M. Flowers (??)

Anyway, IF the Pats can actually find two MoF/ILB/MLB types in this draft class, they might double-dip (say, Evans early and Sam later). If not, they might take one ILB/MLB prospect early who they think can be a fairly immediate contributor, and then also pick up an OLB/Edge type early who might be a fairly immediate contributor and whose assignment scope might be broadened over time (Hubbard?, Jacobs?).

Of course, this could all depend on how they view Langi, Rivers, M. Flowers and Lee (and Roberts, long term), how much they want a Trey Flowers replacement (Ejiofor?).

Of course, BB could also have decided (with the change in DC) that he's bagging the whole hybrid front thing and going back to a 2-gapping 3-4 ... and shocks the crap out of everyone by drafting guys like Hand, ****erson and Andrew Brown to play 3-4 DE. That might change the entire picture for what he wants in LBs.

 

[manxman2601]

IDK.

When I think of "linebacker" these days, I'm thinking of a player who's adept at MoF stuff, whether or not he's also adept at edge assignments. IOW who's lining up off-the-ball behind the DT/NT, A/B-gaps, etc.

The Pats current roster appears to have quite a few players who are (or who may be) more or less adept at off-the-line Edge/OLB assignments ....

Hightower (of course)
Van Noy
M. Flowers
Lee (played about half his 2017 snaps in an OLB-type role)
Langi (?)
Rivers (? - possibly a "Nink" type)
T. Flowers (?)

OTOH, guys who are adept at MoF stuff seem a bit scarce and perhaps lacking that je ne sais quoi? (the Captain speaks French, doesn't he?) ....

Hightower
Van Noy
Roberts
Langi(?)
M. Flowers (??)

Anyway, IF the Pats can actually find two MoF/ILB/MLB types in this draft class, they might double-dip (say, Evans early and Sam later). If not, they might take one ILB/MLB prospect early who they think can be a fairly immediate contributor, and then also pick up an OLB/Edge type early who might be a fairly immediate contributor and whose assignment scope might be broadened over time (Hubbard?, Jacobs?).

Of course, this could all depend on how they view Langi, Rivers, M. Flowers and Lee (and Roberts, long term), how much they want a Trey Flowers replacement (Ejiofor?).

Of course, BB could also have decided (with the change in DC) that he's bagging the whole hybrid front thing and going back to a 2-gapping 3-4 ... and shocks the crap out of everyone by drafting guys like Hand, ****erson and Andrew Brown to play 3-4 DE. That might change the entire picture for what he wants in LBs.

If they’re going to draft two MoF types then I hope one is late in the draft because he’s unlikely to see the field much considering we spend most of the time with only two on the field. I was thinking more of someone who could play SLB in base and OLB on passing downs to be drafted along with a MoF type that can cover.

 

[maineman209]

If they’re going to draft two MoF types then I hope one is late in the draft because he’s unlikely to see the field much considering we spend most of the time with only two on the field. I was thinking more of someone who could play SLB in base and OLB on passing downs to be drafted along with a MoF type that can cover.

I agree - one early, one late (and maybe another UDFA or two). I'm thinking two because, behind HT and KVN there doesn't seem to be much that the Pats can count on of one of those two gets hurt (again). The coaches' view may differ radically from mine, of course.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

BTW, is it fair to say that we have absolutely no f—ing clue what BB intends to do at the QB position, other than "bring one in at some point"?

 

[manxman2601]

BTW, is it fair to say that we have absolutely no f—ing clue what BB intends to do at the QB position, other than "bring one in at some point"?

Absolutely. The board is pretty much open to him now that we have the picks to trade up. I think Darnold, Allen and probably Mayfield are probably a trade too much but aside from that, he can probably do as he pleases.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

He had a good pro day


You can argue he hasn’t been tested but with a career completion rate 68.3% he won’t get past day 2 IMO.

That's the problem. When he's tested, he is not the same guy. Cmp% is great when there NFL throws. I seen 2 Falks at times when asked to create off his spot, velocity passes, under pressure etc.

I think Jon was speaking to the "takes" from different media people.