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No I don't discount Butler 'screwing up' at all.

I do think BB response was totally F'd up given the fact of how he weakened the entire secondary with his benching of Butler leading to the horrible result Sunday.

Either remove him from the game day roster and let the team know in advance or play him to at least try to win the game, then let him go elsewhere if you don't want the guy on the team.
Ok so we have agreement.
BB effectively removed butler from the game day roster but needed to keep him active in the event of injuries. Whatever issues Butler was having made him the last man on the bench only to go in if there was a last resort.
And Reiss quoted team captains as knowing 2-3 days before the game.



Putting Chung, Rowe and McCourty out of position and putting in Badamosi and Richards in for critical snaps in the biggest game of the year was just STUPID on BB's part.

You can't argue with RESULTS.
You can certainly argue that you opinion of what caused the results is Ill informed though.
 
I agree in theory with you. Excuses are for losers. But in this case, I just feel that on one of those 3rd downs, JUST ONE, we literally needed just 1 stop in the 2nd half on 3rd down to win, that Butler on Agholor instead of Chung would have given us 1 stop, JUST ONE!!!

I've been watching sports since the mid-80's, and this is the most head-scratching, frustrating thing i've ever seen. WE HAD PATRICK CHUNG COVERING NELSON AGHOLOR WITH MALCOLM BUTLER SITTING ON THE BENCH!!! In what reality is that the right move?

So many bad defensive plays. Seems like every big Eagles play came on 3rd and 4th downs and they made every one.

But as far as excuses, same can be said about the offense miscues. I know we put up a record-number of yards, but imagine:

Why did Cooks try to hurdle a defender when he probably had the speed to burn him to the sticks or the momentum to make a quick juke back inside and at least pick up the first?

Why did Cooks have to cut it back inside on the play he got concussed instead of just running toward the sideline?

Why couldn't Amendola make a slightly softer pass or Brady run a litter faster?

Why didn't Brady see Amendola sooner on the sideline pass and hit him on the run? Sure TD if he leads him instead of making him weight?

Why didn't Brady dump the pass in the flat instead of holding it longer, leading to the fumble?

It's better to not even think about it. Live and learn. On to 2018. Win or lose, Pats Nation for life.
 
Folks listen...Malcolm Butler wasn’t going to make an iota of difference in that game. We could have had Ty Law in his prime opposite Gilmore and still lost. Why? Our front 7 was absolutely horrible. We couldn’t generate any pressure, and our LB couldn’t cover at all. That’s the reason we lost. Can’t give an NFL corner endless time to through, and can’t have the second level basically wide open at all times because the best coverage guy you can put there is Richardson for Pete’s sake. If we upgrade our LB core, we will be fine.

Have you ever heard of a coverage sack? Give me a break. If butler was playing the eagles wouldn't be 10 for 16 on 3r downs. All it takes is two stops here or there.
 
I agree in theory with you. Excuses are for losers. But in this case, I just feel that on one of those 3rd downs, JUST ONE, we literally needed just 1 stop in the 2nd half on 3rd down to win, that Butler on Agholor instead of Chung would have given us 1 stop, JUST ONE!!!

I've been watching sports since the mid-80's, and this is the most head-scratching, frustrating thing i've ever seen. WE HAD PATRICK CHUNG COVERING NELSON AGHOLOR WITH MALCOLM BUTLER SITTING ON THE BENCH!!! In what reality is that the right move?


I understand why people are frustrated but I still don’t see any difference between that and Steeler fans screaming “ if they rule the James catch a Touchdown” we win that game, have home field, we win the Super Bowl .........

I have condemned opposing fans for this exact logic for a long long time, I’m not going to join that chorus when it’s the Patriots. Philly won that game, they earned it, they deserve it, they are the rightful Champions. No excuses.
 
So many bad defensive plays. Seems like every big Eagles play came on 3rd and 4th downs and they made every one.

But as far as excuses, same can be said about the offense miscues. I know we put up a record-number of yards, but imagine:

Why did Cooks try to hurdle a defender when he probably had the speed to burn him to the sticks or the momentum to make a quick juke back inside and at least pick up the first?

Why did Cooks have to cut it back inside on the play he got concussed instead of just running toward the sideline?

Why couldn't Amendola make a slightly softer pass or Brady run a litter faster?

Why didn't Brady see Amendola sooner on the sideline pass and hit him on the run? Sure TD if he leads him instead of making him weight?

Why didn't Brady dump the pass in the flat instead of holding it longer, leading to the fumble?

It's better to not even think about it. Live and learn. On to 2018. Win or lose, Pats Nation for life.


I don’t blame Cooks, he was trying to make a play. I remember Shawn Jefferson doing the exact same thing against the Colts years ago and he also got lit up. I never saw him do it again, and I doubt Cooks will either.
 
Do you even understand what big nickel is?
Your argument is we couldn’t stop the run because we didn’t use a smaller pass defending lineup?
Do you realize we played big nickel about 60% of the snaps this year?
Do you realize that what chung she is what chung always does in big nickel?
Do you realize philly played 2 TE almost as much as they played 3 wr?

Those are facts. Yours is misunderstanding.



Do you understand a D getting shredded for 40+ points and doing little to stench the bleeding?
 
They drew up a crazy defense because playing the other way would be exactly what they’d be expecting.
 
What makes you think he wasn't?



WE don't know WE do know that the PAts D was destroyed and BB did nothing to adjust during the game. We know he put the rest of the Secondary outside of Gilmore in a position to FAIL.

Deal with it.
 
Why do you and Robertweathers keep equating the argument that BB is at fault for benching a starter, watching his D tank, and doing nothing about it with "Malcolm did no wrong"? Nobody here has said that Malcolm did no wrong. He obviously did something to get benched for the Super Bowl. However, he was still ready, willing and able, during all 60 minutes of that game, to go in and try to help the team win, just as he had during every game before that during the season. BB had what we call in the legal world "the last clear chance" to avoid the train wreck and he refused to even try it. Your argument that we don't know what BIG thing happened, and therefore the rest of us are wrong and you are right, is so stupid it's maddening given the outcome of the game. His anger/loss of trust/ego (either in sticking to his horrible game plan or in sticking with sticking it to Butler, or both)/whatever you BB-can-do-no-wrong-ists want to fill in here eclipsed his usual clear thinking that usually leads us to a win. In the biggest game of the year, that he preaches is the only one that matters. That's the sad fact.

I'm done now, so please don't break down my response into little pieces and analyze each word to say I said something I didn't say, or ask me a question that I wasn't writing about. That's another maddening habit that you and Robertweathers have. I prefer Quantum's little red Xs. Short and to the point.

1/2 the board is saying Malcolm did nothing wrong. They are taking what he said as gospel but when BB says it was a football decision you refuse to believe what he said is gospel. Why does Malcolm have more credibility than BB?

Why are people refusing to accept that maybe, just maybe Malcolm was A) not ready to play the game and B) couldn't have helped anyway?

How do you know Malcolm was ready to play? He was crying on the sidelines because he was told he was not playing a lot/starting. If you were a coach would YOU put that player in?

Its funny how you ramble on and blame BB but when you receive rebuttals and counterpoints you complain. This is a fan board y'know....
 
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Ok so we have agreement.
BB effectively removed butler from the game day roster but needed to keep him active in the event of injuries. Whatever issues Butler was having made him the last man on the bench only to go in if there was a last resort.
And Reiss quoted team captains as knowing 2-3 days before the game.




You can certainly argue that you opinion of what caused the results is Ill informed though.
We lost the game because Tom made one mistake holding the ball too long and not feeling my boy Graham coming down on him.
Only one mistake but it really cost us.
We also lost because they cheap shot Cooks and took out our home run and gadget player sets.
They also had a horrible defensive strategy and never changed it.
Their are times where stay the course we keep making plays we will win.
But when The Eagles are torching you in the air do anything blitz a safety play bump and run hit Foles late let him know your coming.
We lost because Foles Jersey stayed clean pretty much the entire game.
It wasn't on the offense it was soley on D could Butler of made a difference?
If you believe he would of been on Clement covering the wheel route or could of had a pick by guessing right on any other play do I like him on Jeffrey?
No I didn't I would of liked him on Agholar if he was healthy and focused.
I stand by when we lost Jonathan Jones it would cost us.
I thought it was going to be the Jags game but it was the Superbowl that did us in.
 
Do you understand a D getting shredded for 40+ points and doing little to stench the bleeding?

He left his team out there and made no adjustments on defense. They didn't even try a blitz here or there to disrupt the iggles offense. The coaching staff failed us in the game.
 
I am one that believes in playing with what got you to this point. We will never get a good explanation from
BB as to why he go to butler. It's maddening and i feel it costs us a super bowl.

Agree. For better or worse, the personal on defense had been playing OK. No need to change it in the last and biggest game of the year UNLESS you absolutely had to. That is the big question.
 
1/2 the board is saying Malcolm did nothing wrong. They are taking what he said as gospel but when BB says it was a football decision you refuse to believe what he said is gospel. Why does Malcolm have more credibility than BB?

Why are people refusing to accept that maybe, just maybe Malcolm was A) not ready to play the game abd B) couldn't have helped anyway?

How do you Malcolm was ready to play? He crying on the sidelines. If you were a coach would YOU put that player in?

Its funny how you ramble on and blame BB but when you receive rebuttals and counterpoints you complain. This is a fan board y'know....

He was crying because he wasn't playing! He took him out at the last minute. It's one of the most baffling decisions ever made in super bowl history. The eagles got a nice early Christmas gift courtesy of BB.
 
So many bad defensive plays. Seems like every big Eagles play came on 3rd and 4th downs and they made every one.

But as far as excuses, same can be said about the offense miscues. I know we put up a record-number of yards, but imagine:

Why did Cooks try to hurdle a defender when he probably had the speed to burn him to the sticks or the momentum to make a quick juke back inside and at least pick up the first?

Why did Cooks have to cut it back inside on the play he got concussed instead of just running toward the sideline?

Why couldn't Amendola make a slightly softer pass or Brady run a litter faster?

Why didn't Brady see Amendola sooner on the sideline pass and hit him on the run? Sure TD if he leads him instead of making him weight?

Why didn't Brady dump the pass in the flat instead of holding it longer, leading to the fumble?

It's better to not even think about it. Live and learn. On to 2018. Win or lose, Pats Nation for life.

I just have a hard time putting any blame on the O when they scored 33 pts and put the team in position for 37 pts (missed field goal and extra point). The O cannot be perfect, but they were pretty close. The D on the other hand were spectacularly bad. Eagles scored on 8 of 10 possessions. That falls on them and the position Belichick put them in.
 
That's what he's saying. And I know of no medication that can cure stupidity. There are a few with this brilliant theory. It's pure amusement to me.
Did Pete carol sabotage his team when he decided to pass instead of running Lynch?
 
They drew up a crazy defense because playing the other way would be exactly what they’d be expecting.

Thinking back to the game, did we blitz at all. Can't recall much pressure on Foles.

Just playing Captain Hindsight, just like with the Butler situation.
 
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